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  • Originally posted by redrover View Post
    I see the House voted to have the Muller Report released to Congress but of course Trump's stooges in the senate blocked it. Even if the senate passed it. Trump would certainly veto it. You can bet that Trump is going to use every trick at his disposal to keep that report from leaking out. All he has to do is say I read it and it says no collusion case closed, and every Republican in the country will be satisfied with that.https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-u...russia-report/
    It's not up to Trump as to which parts, or the entire thing, is released to the public. It's Barr's decision, and he already testified that he was going to release as much as prudent, considering some may have national security implications.

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    • Does the US have the same rule for the US congress as the UK does in that in Parliament an MP can say anything (they could just stand up and read the report as I assume being members of Congress they'll have a copy) without fear of consequence?
      That's how I'd get round this issue even if it is rather time consuming.

      This report should be published in full whatever it says as it's cost you all enough to make it.

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      • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
        Does the US have the same rule for the US congress as the UK does in that in Parliament an MP can say anything (they could just stand up and read the report as I assume being members of Congress they'll have a copy) without fear of consequence?
        That's how I'd get round this issue even if it is rather time consuming.

        This report should be published in full whatever it says as it's cost you all enough to make it.
        I believe they do, at least in the Senate with something like 'after hours comments', not in session. See it on C-SPAN with a backdrop of empty chairs.

        This is how that lying POS Harry Reid lied about Romney not paying any taxes, without consequence. No sure about the House, though.

        I'd like to see as much of the Mueller report as doesn't pose a national security concern. Not sure if an elected official would be immune form the repercussions of leaking national security information even in that venue.

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        • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
          Does the US have the same rule for the US congress as the UK does in that in Parliament an MP can say anything (they could just stand up and read the report as I assume being members of Congress they'll have a copy) without fear of consequence?
          That's how I'd get round this issue even if it is rather time consuming.

          This report should be published in full whatever it says as it's cost you all enough to make it.
          You have a monarch but she doesn't have any real power our monarch has made our congress irrelevant.

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          • Originally posted by redrover View Post

            You have a monarch but she doesn't have any real power our monarch has made our congress irrelevant.
            Which 'monarch' is it that you think the US has?

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            • Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post

              Which 'monarch' is it that you think the US has?
              The one who overrides congress to build his phony baloney vanity wall. We'll see you in court.

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              • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                The one who overrides congress to build his phony baloney vanity wall. We'll see you in court.
                He's no monarch.

                Given the situation at the Southern border, I'd be inclined to also call it a national emergency. Not only an emergency with respect to a nation's sovereign borders (how many illegally crossing each month? 70,000?), but also a humanitarian emergency (Where to house them? How to care for them?). Catch and release, never to be seen again, is certainly not the correct way to handle this situation.

                I'd have much rather preferred that congress would have done the responsible thing and have addressed this recurring problem of decades a number of, well, decades ago. There was a deal on the table back in the Regan administration, but the Democrats welshed on that deal, and screwed Regan (and the nation) ever since.

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                • Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post

                  He's no monarch.

                  Given the situation at the Southern border, I'd be inclined to also call it a national emergency. Not only an emergency with respect to a nation's sovereign borders (how many illegally crossing each month? 70,000?), but also a humanitarian emergency (Where to house them? How to care for them?). Catch and release, never to be seen again, is certainly not the correct way to handle this situation.

                  I'd have much rather preferred that congress would have done the responsible thing and have addressed this recurring problem of decades a number of, well, decades ago. There was a deal on the table back in the Regan administration, but the Democrats welshed on that deal, and screwed Regan (and the nation) ever since.
                  Oh yes our sacred sovereign border. This is a holy war to keep America racially pure. I 've seen the pictures we know Jesus had blue eyes and blond hair..

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                  • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                    Oh yes our sacred sovereign border. This is a holy war to keep America racially pure. I 've seen the pictures we know Jesus had blue eyes and blond hair..
                    Another dandy from rover ...

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                    • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                      Oh yes our sacred sovereign border. This is a holy war to keep America racially pure. I 've seen the pictures we know Jesus had blue eyes and blond hair..
                      Well now that's a load of crap.

                      Without a secure border, you don't have a country, you just think you do.

                      Legal immigrants welcome.
                      Illegal immigrants not. Go back and do it the legally.

                      Load of crap. Do better.

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                      • Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post

                        Well now that's a load of crap.

                        Without a secure border, you don't have a country, you just think you do.

                        Legal immigrants welcome.
                        Illegal immigrants not. Go back and do it the legally.

                        Load of crap. Do better.
                        I don't want to live in the country you are trying to create. I hope I live long enough to see Trump humiliated in 20220; then off to prison.

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                        • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                          I don't want to live in the country you are trying to create. I hope I live long enough to see Trump humiliated in 20220; then off to prison.
                          Diversion noted.

                          I'd add that I don't want to live in the country the leftists are trying to create.

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                          • Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                            Diversion noted.

                            I'd add that I don't want to live in the country the leftists are trying to create.
                            They're creating NOTHING, only destroying.

                            Most, like rover, are too foolish to see where their "ideas" will lead.

                            They certainly won't act on those great ideas to set an example for the rest of us, they want us ALL to sign on to their destructive idiocy at once !

                            Our friend Rover wants America to do this, but sure won't do it HIMSELF. Like all liberals, they have grand schemes in their heads, but when it comes to actually applying them......

                            .... No dice..


                            Originally posted by redrover View Post
                            Oh yes our sacred sovereign border. This is a holy war to keep America racially pure. I 've seen the pictures we know Jesus had blue eyes and blond hair..
                            Since you don't want us to have a border, you think we should let the worlds "poor" into America because we need to "have compassion," I expect you're setting for us an example!

                            So, how many of your cities homeless people are you currently allowing to come into your home and use your kitchen, your wealth and facilities ?

                            Your homes door IS unlocked and wide open for them to come and go as they please isn't it ??

                            Great ! I'd like to hear how that's working out !


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                            • Originally posted by HawkeyeDJ View Post

                              I hope you're right. There is this: The special counsel has been required to keep the assistant AG abreast of his progress. If, at any time, the AAG is convinced that the investigation was going nowhere, he had the right, indeed the obligation, to shut the investigation down. The fact that the investigation continues is evidence that significant progress and revelations continue.

                              Trumpsters have maintained the hard line from day one that there is nothing to any of the allegations. Even in light of indictments, even in light of guilty pleas and convictions, they simply refuse to accept that their hero Trump or any of his cronies could have ever done anything wrong. And, when facing the cold hard facts, they change tactics and say "Oh, but those crimes are not collusion," implying that if other crimes are uncovered during the investigation, those don't count and ought to be ignored. Like if the police have a warrant to search a home for illicit drugs and during the search child porn is uncovered. Would that be ignored because the warrant was for drugs only?

                              Of course, the Trumpsters have other diversionary tactics. Like, when they claim that the investigation is politically motivated. Never mind that people are pleading guilty left and right, that judges are making rulings, that defense attorneys are recommending plea deals for their clients, and in at least one case, the defense team quit en mass because, against their counsel, their client reportedly may have committed perjury and then promptly turned state's evidence. Yeah, there's nothing there. It's all just politics.

                              Now the word is that Trump is about to fire his current NSA, general H.R. McMaster and possibly AG Jeff Sessions in order to get somebody - anybody - who will rid him of Mueller.

                              The House intelligence committee has dropped their investigation for no apparent reason. At least no reason they can convincingly articulate. I personally believe it is because an ongoing investigation will hang like a black cloud over the republicans as they return to their districts and attempt to get re-elected. But then, I'm just that cynical.
                              The AAG was up to his eyeballs in the poor predication of this investigation from the start. Once Barr was confirmed, Mueller was required to brief HIM. And while I do not think (and there is no indication) that Barr in any way, shape, or form so much as suggested to Mueller that he needed to wrap things up; I strongly suspect that Mueller (having no doubt briefed Barr that they had essentially ruled out collusion by late-2017/early-2018 and had in all the time since then been focusing their investigation on trying to find (or create opportunities to manufacture) process crimes that the jig was up and that this bullshit would not stand for long and closed up shop because they no longer had someone acquiescent in their abuse of process.

                              It is now absolutely clear, from the moment the outgoing Obama hacks contrived a reason to go after General Flynn (based on supposed violation of the laughable Logan Act), to the complete lack of any credible predicate for the Mueller investigation (let alone Hurricane Crossfire) that this was an abuse of power by team Obama.

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                              • Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post

                                The AAG was up to his eyeballs in the poor predication of this investigation from the start. Once Barr was confirmed, Mueller was required to brief HIM. And while I do not think (and there is no indication) that Barr in any way, shape, or form so much as suggested to Mueller that he needed to wrap things up; I strongly suspect that Mueller (having no doubt briefed Barr that they had essentially ruled out collusion by late-2017/early-2018 and had in all the time since then been focusing their investigation on trying to find (or create opportunities to manufacture) process crimes that the jig was up and that this bullshit would not stand for long and closed up shop because they no longer had someone acquiescent in their abuse of process.

                                It is now absolutely clear, from the moment the outgoing Obama hacks contrived a reason to go after General Flynn (based on supposed violation of the laughable Logan Act), to the complete lack of any credible predicate for the Mueller investigation (let alone Hurricane Crossfire) that this was an abuse of power by team Obama.
                                Indeed. The entire thing was based on a hoax (Steel Dossier), and little more than to be an 'insurance policy' of being a torn in the side of the administration, in essence a 'soft coup'.

                                The designers of such, and the executors of such need to be held to account, lest this become a precedent for the future presidents and future administrations.

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