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  • What progressives should know about Trump voters

    What progressives should know about Trump voters
    By Victor Davis Hanson
    Updated 1850 GMT (0250 HKT) June 30, 2019
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/19/o...son/index.html

    Editors Note: Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and the author of the just released "The Case for Trump" (Basic Books) The views expressed in this commentary are his own. View more opinion articles at CNN.

    (CNN)Progressives wonder how in the world could anyone still support President Donald Trump. So here are ten reasons why more than 40% of the electorate probably does -- and will.
    1. Voters appreciate that the economy is currently experiencing near record-low peacetime unemployment, record-low minority unemployment, and virtual 3% annualized GDP growth. Interest and inflation rates remain low. Workers' wages increased after years of stagnation. The US is now the world's largest producer of oil and natural gas. And gasoline prices remain affordable. The President continues to redress asymmetrical trade with China, as well as with former NAFTA partners and Europe. He jawbones companies to curb offshoring and outsourcing. The current economic recovery and low consumer prices have uplifted millions of middle-class Americans who appreciate the upswing.
    2. Trump does not exist in a vacuum. Many supporters turned off by some of his antics are still far more appalled by an emerging radical neo-socialist Democratic agenda. If the alternative to Trump is a disturbing tolerance among some Democrats for anti-Semitism, the Green New Deal, reparations, a permissive approach to abortion even very late in pregnancy, a wealth tax, a 70-90% top income tax rate, the abolition of ICE, open borders, and Medicare for all, Trump's record between 2017-20 will seem moderate and preferable. Progressives do not fully appreciate how the hysterics and media coverage of the Kavanaugh hearings, the Covington teenagers and the Jussie Smollett psychodrama turned off half the country. Such incidents and their reportage confirmed suspicions of cultural bias, media distortions, and an absence of fair play and reciprocity.
    3. Trump can be uncouth and crass. But he has shown an empathy for the hollowed-out interior, lacking from prior Republican and Democratic candidates. His populist agenda explains why millions of once traditional Democratic voters defected in 2016 to him -- and may well again in 2020. Some polls counterintuitively suggest that Trump may well win more minority voters than prior Republican presidential candidates.
    4. Trump may come across as callous to some, but to others at least genuine. He does not modulate his accent to fit regional crowds, as did Barack Obama,Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. He does not adopt particular outfits at state fairs or visit bowling allies to seek authenticity. Like him or not, his Queens accent, formal attire, odd tan, and wild hair remain the same wherever he goes and speaks. Voters respect that he is at least unadulterated in a way untrue of most politicians. Big Macs convey earthiness in a way arugula does not.
    5. Even when Trump has hit an impasse, his supporters mostly continue to believe that he at least keeps trying to meet his promises on taxes, the economy, energy, foreign policy, strict-constructionist judges, and the border. So far his supporters feel Trump has not suffered a "Read my lips" or "You can keep your doctor" moment.
    6. Voters are angry over the sustained effort to remove or delegitimize a sitting president. Many of the controversies over Trump result from the inability of Hillary Clinton supporters to accept his shocking victory. Instead they try any means possible to abort his presidency in a way not seen in recent history. Trump voters cringe at such serial but so far unsuccessful efforts to delegitimize the President: the immediate law suits challenging voting machines, the effort to warp the Electoral College voting, initial impeachment efforts, appeals to the Emoluments Clause, the 25th Amendment, and the calcified Logan Act, the Mueller investigation that far exceeded and yet may have not met its original mandate to find Russian "collusion," and the strange Andrew McCabe-Ron Rosenstein failed palace coup. All this comes in addition to a disturbing assassination "chic," as Madonna, Johnny Depp, Kathy Griffin, Robert DeNiro and dozens of others express openly thoughts of killing, blowing up, or beating up an elected president. The Shorenstein Center at Harvard University has found that mainstream media coverage of Trump's first 100 days in office ranged from 70-90% negative of Trump, depending on the week, an asymmetry never quite seen before seen but one that erodes confidence in the media. Voters are developing a grudging respect for the 72-year-old, less-than-fit Trump who each day weathers unprecedented vitriol and yet does not give up, in the Nietzschean sense of whatever does not kill him, seems to make him stronger.
    7. Progressives seemingly do not appreciate historical contexts. By past presidential standards, Trump's behavior while in the White House has not been characterized by the personal indiscretions of a John F. Kennedy or Bill Clinton. His language has been blunt, but then so was Harry Truman's. He can be gross, but perhaps not so much as was Lyndon Johnson. The point is not to use such comparisons to excuse Trump's rough speech and tweets, but to remind that the present media climate and the electronic age of the Internet and social media, along with general historical ignorance about prior presidencies, have warped objective analysis of Trump, the first president without either prior political office or military service.
    8. Globalization enriched the two coasts, while America's interior was hollowed out. Anywhere abroad muscular labor could be duplicated at cheaper rates, it often was -- especially in heavy industry and manufacturing. Trump alone sensed that and appealed to constituencies that heretofore had been libeled by presidents and presidential candidates as "crazies," "clingers," "deplorables" and "irredeemables." Fairly or not, half the country feels that elites, a deep state, or just "they" (call them whatever you will) are both condemnatory and yet ignorant of so-called fly-over country. Trump is seen as their payback.
    9. For a thrice-married former raconteur, the Trump first family appears remarkably stable, and loyal. The first lady is winsome and gracious. Despite the negative publicity, daughter Ivanka remains poised and conciliatory. The appearance of stability suggests that if Trump may have often been a poor husband, he was nonetheless a good father.
    10. Trump is a masterful impromptu speaker. Increasingly he can be self-deprecatory, and his performances are improving. Even his marathon rallies stay entertaining to about half the country. He handles crowds in the fashion of JFK, Bill Clinton, or Barack Obama rather than of a flat Bob Dole, Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney.
    A good and honest summarization of why people voted for Trump. Too bad for the Democrats that they lack any self-awareness and insight on these points to improve their public policy proposals to the electorate in order to gain votes. No, instead, they've doubled down on stupid, setting themselves up for an even greater loss in the coming 2020 general.

  • #2
    1 Americas economy gets better when freedom & good sense are applied

    2 Democrats have adopted radical & moronic policies and ideas. Too many of them think they can get away with telling easily debunked lies to the people

    3 Trump is an American, he isn't a smarmy politician who blows smoke up our asses with empty words

    4 He isn't a manipulative, bureaucratic faker

    5 He's attempting to do what he said he would do for America in spite of the corruption standing in his way

    6 Donald Trumps persistence and his ability to shrug off the venom from the snakes of the left, has allowed him to display for America how evil & corrupt much of "the establishment" in Wa DC and todays "media" is. They are liars and thieves, truly a new legitimized sort of MOB. May this president succeed in their destruction.

    7 Todays "media" is linked like a cancer to our political establishment. This is being shown to America. In this age of technology where, facts and histories are easily located to prove the truth makes ignorance inexcusable.

    8 Getting America back to work again is a positive

    9 The president is imperfect like all others

    10 It is entertaining to listen to this president

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
      1 Americas economy gets better when freedom & good sense are applied

      2 Democrats have adopted radical & moronic policies and ideas. Too many of them think they can get away with telling easily debunked lies to the people

      3 Trump is an American, he isn't a smarmy politician who blows smoke up our asses with empty words

      4 He isn't a manipulative, bureaucratic faker

      5 He's attempting to do what he said he would do for America in spite of the corruption standing in his way

      6 Donald Trumps persistence and his ability to shrug off the venom from the snakes of the left, has allowed him to display for America how evil & corrupt much of "the establishment" in Wa DC and todays "media" is. They are liars and thieves, truly a new legitimized sort of MOB. May this president succeed in their destruction.

      7 Todays "media" is linked like a cancer to our political establishment. This is being shown to America. In this age of technology where, facts and histories are easily located to prove the truth makes ignorance inexcusable.

      8 Getting America back to work again is a positive

      9 The president is imperfect like all others

      10 It is entertaining to listen to this president
      I think you are right on all counts here. Trump comes across as authentic where as the Democrats and other elitist politicians come across as inauthentic and unable to stick to a position due to their constant sticking a finger up in the air to see which way the political winds are blowing, and then changing their positions, their principals, simply on that.

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      • #4
        What others should know about trump voters voteis that unlike Hillary voters his voters were observant enough and had enough common sense to know neither establishment party was gonna represent them even without reading the Princeton Study

        So these trump voters proved that a college education can yield idiots. Or democrats

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        • #5
          The democrat march of fools will end as all such marches do..

          This - see below - is our democrat "party"

          What chance, do we think, one will replace Donald Trump in the Whitehouse soon ?

          Near zero - see last sentence of below writing

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          The Democrats have departed this planet as we know it; the forces of sanity and respect for that party's history are clinging desperately to the water-logged raft of Joe Biden as he tacks to the left, scattering malapropisms like Casey Stengel on steroids.

          The former vice president looks like a refuge for the truly desperate. Senator Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) has the greatest presence, physically and as a speaker, but she is the helpless carrier and spout of Californian faddish inanities. (She asked General James Mattis at his confirmation hearings as defense secretary what the Pentagon would do about climate change.)

          ...all the Democrats have left: snobbery, the moronic pretensions of a party whose leaders politicized the intelligence and national police agencies to try to undo an election, and many of whose contenders abuse public credulity by comparing resisting the will-o-the-wisp of climate change with the invasion of Normandy (Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey), and announcing the scientific unanimity of certainty about imminent planet-threatening global warming (Beto O'Rourke of Texas).

          The Democratic field is a teeming, heaving mass of back-biting mountebanks. Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is not an American Indian, Senator Bernie Sanders (D-Vt.) has worn out his schtick, and South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg is a facile novelty, unqualified by any traditional criterion to be president. (I do not for these purposes consider his sexual orientation to be relevant.)

          Democratic candidates are self-burdened with championship of open borders with the right to free health care for people illegally in the country, as well as their right to vote regardless of citizenship; entirely socialized medicine; more than a doubling of the maximum personal income tax rates; vast reparations to African-Americans and native people; a terroristic green policy; forgiveness of $1 trillion of student loans; and legalized infanticide - the post-birth extinction of the lives of fully born and separated children under unspecified conditions.

          ...This is all the Democrats are left with: a group of radical nonentities that constitute a monotone Gtterdmmerung: the self-immolation not only of the America of Norman Rockwell and Walt Disney, but also of Bill Clinton and even of candidate Barack Obama.

          ...Of course, the Democrats will nominate someone, but barring a disaster of Old Testament proportions, their nominee will not win.


          https://www.newsmax.com/conradblack/.../10/id/923990/

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          • #6
            I see one gargantuan item missing on this list. Donald Trump's promise to address the illegal immigration crisis ignored by both political parties for decades.

            The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems.

            Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

            But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we're getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They're sending us not the right people.

            It's coming from more than Mexico. It's coming from all over South and Latin America, and it's coming probably, probably, from the Middle East. But we don't know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don't know what's happening. And it's got to stop and it's got to stop fast.

            Donald Trump - June 16, 2015
            This is why he was the frontrunner by something like 20 points from the day he announced. This position is why all democrats and the 'Chamber of Commerce' wing of the republican party immediately marked him for destruction by any means necessary. This is why democrats to this day fight to the death ensuring the unchecked flow over our southern border will continue. Illegal immigration is the signature issue driving both Trump's popularity and record level of hatred.

            The fact that Victor Davis Hanson brushed over this issue on his list convinces me that even he does not understand the Trump voter.
            Last edited by SupPackFan; 6 days ago.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SupPackFan View Post
              [SIZE=16px] I see one gargantuan item missing on this list. Donald Trump's promise to address the illegal immigration crisis ignored by both political parties for decades.
              Yes, this IS a major problem.

              We have a border

              We have laws

              BUT ... we DON'T !!

              What meaning "LAW" ???

              If the people of America respected law like the scum-bags in D.C. do, we would have anarchy. We would have complete lawlessness.

              We don't get to pick-n-choose which laws we like to follow do we ? Yet

              Originally posted by SupPackFan View Post
              [SIZE=16px]
              This is why he was the frontrunner by something like 20 points from the day he announced. This position is why all democrats and the 'Chamber of Commerce' wing of the republican party immediately marked him for destruction by any means necessary. This is why democrats to this day fight to the death ensuring the unchecked flow over our southern border will continue. Illegal immigration is the signature issue driving both Trump's popularity and record level of hatred.

              The fact that Victor Davis Hanson brushed over this issue on his list convinces me that even he does not understand the Trump voter.
              Good point.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                Yes, this IS a major problem.

                We have a border

                We have laws

                BUT ... we DON'T !!

                What meaning "LAW" ???

                If the people of America respected law like the scum-bags in D.C. do, we would have anarchy. We would have complete lawlessness.

                We don't get to pick-n-choose which laws we like to follow do we ? Yet



                Good point.
                A great and most relevant point. The resistance is more than just democrats but includes the establishment gop and this explains why the gop would not fix this huge problem when they had the power to do it. So when trump ran on this and other things that represented average people he beat the establishment even when he had so many flaws personally. Americans were desperate!

                The challenges of the 21st century demand an intelligence driven overhaul of law and policy and adherence to the rule of law along with sufficient funding and manpower

                We simply can't be a nation that takes in the vast numbers of the poor. For that is so stupidly irresponsible

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

                  A great and most relevant point. The resistance is more than just democrats but includes the establishment gop and this explains why the gop would not fix this huge problem when they had the power to do it. So when trump ran on this and other things that represented average people he beat the establishment even when he had so many flaws personally. Americans were desperate!

                  The challenges of the 21st century demand an intelligence driven overhaul of law and policy and adherence to the rule of law along with sufficient funding and manpower

                  We simply can't be a nation that takes in the vast numbers of the poor. For that is so stupidly irresponsible
                  Our government at work for us.

                  Disgusting.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                    Our government at work for us.
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                    Disgusting.
                    It is the failute of our reps and most presidents to do their duty and fix something with significant changes for this current remedy does not fix it.

                    The dems.will never fix it for globalists want ordeopen borders and i just think they are lying when they hem and haw and finally say we have to have borders.

                    So that leaves the gop. It will take trump another term in order to have a chance if he can get something besides bs from those puppets masquerading as elected reps of the people.

                    No other person running is concerned about overhauling immigration

                    To them immigration reform is about some form of amnesty

                    Hopefully enough Americans want it fixed or we are in deep shit

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                      It is the failute of our reps and most presidents to do their duty and fix something with significant changes for this current remedy does not fix it.

                      The dems.will never fix it for globalists want ordeopen borders and i just think they are lying when they hem and haw and finally say we have to have borders.

                      So that leaves the gop. It will take trump another term in order to have a chance if he can get something besides bs from those puppets masquerading as elected reps of the people.

                      No other person running is concerned about overhauling immigration

                      To them immigration reform is about some form of amnesty

                      Hopefully enough Americans want it fixed or we are in deep shit
                      We're already IN the deep stuff, we just don't know it yet.

                      The remedy - move all illegal immigrants into Washington D.C. where they belong. The people in D.C. want them, they need to HAVE them.

                      Otherwise, like all other matters, those people in D.C. never actually have to deal with the problems they create. They make US deal with them.

                      It's time for that program to end. It's time for the vermin in D.C. to get a hard call from reality.

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