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  • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
    I believe you are right on one point, I believe this is the last election the producers had a chance to win over the moochers. The moochers now have been able to vote themselves largess from the treasury as the old saying goes. The problem is, the wants of the moochers significantly outpace the ability of the producers to provide and they will simply give up trying or will move where it is not a problem. Like all socialist systems, eventually you run out of other people's money.
    Are you saying that white men are producers and that everyone else is a moocher?

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    • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by Maddox View Post
      Or maybe the Republicans should start today with looking at themselves, also? How do we make ourselves more attractive to a changing demographic? In the long run, you wont win an election when the only tactic is to trash the opponents and not having any viable policies yourself.

      But if you (and other Republicans) think that the correct road ahead is to move further right, a harder stance on abortion, a harder stance on immigration and so, go right ahead. Just be prepared on not getting elected for a long time. Again, its simple demographic math.
      It is difficult, if not downright impossible, to attract a crowd in a "drive by" world.
      The overwhelming majority of people I know have almost no knowledge of candidates, representatives or government functions.
      People hear "Congress" and don't even know there's a House and a Senate.

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      • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by Maddox View Post
        Or maybe the Republicans should start today with looking at themselves, also? How do we make ourselves more attractive to a changing demographic? In the long run, you wont win an election when the only tactic is to trash the opponents and not having any viable policies yourself.
        That depends, should they be more concerned about being elected instead of maintaining an ideology of doing the right thing?

        But if you (and other Republicans) think that the correct road ahead is to move further right, a harder stance on abortion, a harder stance on immigration and so, go right ahead. Just be prepared on not getting elected for a long time. Again, its simple demographic math.
        You may be correct about the electability but when a political party molds itself according to demographics instead of what they believe in, they have just lost there reason for being. In my opinion, as America realizes just how much Obama's policies have hurt the economy voters will move themselves to the right, and I do mean correct as well as direction.

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        • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by Unique POV View Post
          Are you saying that white men are producers and that everyone else is a moocher?
          Didn't you know that baby sitters and cleaning ladies and nurses aids are all moochers?

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          • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
            So, what you advocate is that Republicans should just run as Democrats. They tried that the last two elections and lost. The Republicans will continue to lose until the system crashes because the moochers have learned they can vote themselves other people's money.
            Dont kid yourself. Either party has their holy cows, where they arent willing to slash any spending. Theyre alike in that sense and as long as they wont come together, nothing gets solved.

            And I dont care what the Republicans do or dont do. Im just saying that if they dont come to terms with the change in demographics and plan what to do about it, they will become insignificant. But by all means, carry on and move further right. It just wont win any elections. But Im guessing "never compromise" is more important than having decision power through winning elections.

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            Pirate, thought you were passed out for the next 24 hours or so? Sounded like a large amount of the herb was inhaled yesterday (of course, Fox News in the background, so who wouldnt?)

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            • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
              And you don't think the continuation of Obama's policies for the next 4 years have anything to do with the market's reaction? How very strange.
              The Obama win was factored in weeks ago, all the real money had Obama as the big favorite, it was only those who rely on wishful thinking that were surprised by the result.
              The market does stuff every day, trying to attribute market action to a specific event that was known in advance is a fools errand.

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              • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                I believe you are right on one point, I believe this is the last election the producers had a chance to win over the moochers. The moochers now have been able to vote themselves largess from the treasury as the old saying goes. The problem is, the wants of the moochers significantly outpace the ability of the producers to provide and they will simply give up trying or will move where it is not a problem. Like all socialist systems, eventually you run out of other people's money.
                We have been moving that direction full speed ahead since Reagan. Had it not been for republicans taking congress during Clinton's presidency we would have never made as far as we have. The producers have to think about who they are, what they need to do to maintain at least the status quo, or they will have to move. I personally have no problem with moving, but it would be preferable if we would change direction to maintain the economy of the US. I only hope it can still be recovered after the next 4 years.

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                • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by darth omar View Post
                  I guess the Repubs could hand out cell phones in a battle ground state next time.
                  Maybe they could desire to be the party of inclusion instead of exclusionary. They need to stop living in the fantasy world of believing the 47% are looking for handouts ... class hate. I'll never understand how so many hard working Americans are discounted for making lower end wages in a capitalist economy ... yet we are a society they measures self worth by income earned.

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                  • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                    Cracker,
                    Tell me about the "genius" of the Spanish economy other than the fact that they have been bailed out by the EU and will do anything to attract business.
                    What do I care about the Spanish economy? The fact is, the economic conditions in Spain puts them into a very favorable position to lure industry.
                    Until the US hits rock bottom and people are willing to work for dirt, it is the obvious choice to produce in a nation that is economically fortuitous.
                    At least you're not moving to China.
                    Actually, the skill set we require for our new product division does not exist at this time in China and the wages we pay are not the "dirt" you suggest we pay in wages for skilled labor. One of the very reasons I recommended Spain is their skilled labor supply..
                    And unlike most Cons here, I have no contempt for the supposedly "lazy" Spanish.
                    Where did you get the idea that the Spanish are lazy? Most of them that I know work 2 jobs, and the "continuing education" for skilled labor is very good in Spain. It is a shame you didn't take advantage of "continuing education." Then maybe you could have kept up with the productivity your former employer needed/wanted.

                    And BTW, you have never seen a woman in a pair of tight blue jeans if you haven't been to Spain

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                    • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by michael h View Post
                      Maybe they could desire to be the party of inclusion instead of exclusionary. They need to stop living in the fantasy world of believing the 47% are looking for handouts ... class hate. I'll never understand how so many hard working Americans are discounted for making lower end wages in a capitalist economy ... yet we are a society they measures self worth by income earned.
                      You mean like "I make more money than you so I win the argument"?
                      Nobody wants to pay someone more than they have to but demonizing is a whole new level of evil.

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                      • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                        Anyone who couldn't have predicted the markets reaction to an Obama win kind of misses the whole I own your vote movement ... and I'll be snotty if you don't vote for who I tell you to.

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                        • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by Unique POV View Post
                          Are you saying that white men are producers and that everyone else is a moocher?
                          How did you manage to find something racist in Dan's post? Your mind is in the wrong place there.

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                          • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by CalifornCracker View Post
                            What do I care about the Spanish economy? The fact is, the economic conditions in Spain puts them into a very favorable position to lure industry.Actually, the skill set we require for our new product division does not exist at this time in China and the wages we pay are not the "dirt" you suggest we pay in wages for skilled labor. One of the very reasons I recommended Spain is their skilled labor supply..Where did you get the idea that the Spanish are lazy? Most of them that I know work 2 jobs, and the "continuing education" for skilled labor is very good in Spain. It is a shame you didn't take advantage of "continuing education." Then maybe you could have kept up with the productivity your former employer needed/wanted.
                            You haven't been here long enough to be inundated with the POV of Cons on this forum who hold nothing but contempt for the "lazy pieces of garbage" that reside in Socialist Europe.
                            And yes, sweeping condemnations of entire populations are idiotic.

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                            • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                              You mean like "I make more money than you so I win the argument"?
                              Nobody wants to pay someone more than they have to but demonizing is a whole new level of evil.
                              There should not be a class of people who don't pay federal income taxes. In so many ways they are moochers as they get to use all the infrastructure without paying for it. But we have to recognize that many of them have no choice in the matter and we need to transfer our disgust to those who can but don't as opposed to lumping all of the low wage earners in one big set of people.

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                              • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                                You mean like "I make more money than you so I win the argument"?
                                Nobody wants to pay someone more than they have to but demonizing is a whole new level of evil.
                                Shameful isn't it? Low wages create wealth for business ... yet those earning low wages should be ashamed for providing that wealth creation. Don't be a low wage earner ... your lazy and worthless. We will make jokes and chuckle about you in our high priced fund raising dinners ... that you cooked the food for, served the drinks, cleaned up after, and worked to provide wealth creation for the attendees.

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