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  • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by ericams2786 View Post
    YOU BY NO MEANS ARE UNIMPEDED TO DO 'WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH YOUR LIFE".
    I AGREE WITH YOU. Sheesh.

    In fact, it matters not what "government" we are talking about, not only because the other two did not make a distinction, but because the very thing I was responding to was "tell me what the government does to get in the way of you doing what you want." It doesn't matter what level of government you are talking about, AN OBSTACLE TO YOU LIVING YOUR LIFE THE WAY YOU WANT IS AN OBSTACLE TO YOU DOING WHAT YOU WANT, doesn't matter what level your dealing with. Hence why I listed exampes from all three. When taken in totality, you have almost no freedom to "do what you want" but even just adjusting that list to the Federal level, you still aren't free to "do what you want" - which was the point of my post.
    Right, like "I can't drive 100mph" or "I can't murder people". It's an OBSTACLE TO ME LIVING MY LIFE. It's also called BEING PART OF MODERN SOCIETY. I mean, yes, I get your point. I don't think you're getting mine, though. I don't want an overbearing government any more than you do, I'm a libertarian. Just trying to say that we need some laws, to help us exist together in an organized and modern society, which I think you'll agree with.

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    • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
      heh, aye.

      Mr. Rove is still insistin' 'tis not over. he's really agitated now, too, makin' choppin' motions with his right hand as he speaks.

      Fox really is the best channel. i can see whats so fun about it.

      - MeadHallPirate
      Great real-time narrative of one of the most enduring moments of this election night, Pirate.



      You earned your MVP award tonight.

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      • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by RRAHH View Post
        Freedom as it is now is an illusion to keep the slaves from rising up and destroying their masters. The perfect slave is the slave who thinks he's/she's free.
        Freedom without choice is an illusion.
        Freedom for the pike is tyranny for the minnow.
        A freedom where the rich and powerful set all the rules and control access to success is not true freedom.
        A freedom where those without inherited advantages have the opportunity to raise themselves is a freedom worth fighting for.

        If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. --John F. Kennedy

        The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable. --James A. Garfield

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        • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by Chloe View Post
          Well at least you know He exists, even if you don't believe in Him.
          Her.

          ...

          It?
          Last edited by jpn; 11-09-2012, 09:38 PM.

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          • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by ericams2786 View Post
            Well well well. Looks like all us crazy ass stupid "pot smoking" "hippie" Ron Paul people were right...ROMNEY COULD NOT AND WOULD NOT BEAT OBAMA. And alas, he didn't, just like I said a year ago. Now, had the GOP nominated a true conservative...a Constitutionalist, a fiscal conservative...perhaps the results would have been different. But hey, you kick out the youth, the independents, the liberals and Dems switching over to vote for a guy they actually like in your primary...well what do you expect. The GOP will not win until they embrace the liberty movement. This is not a threat...it is reality. It happened in 2008 and now tonight.
            I totally agree. Americans wanted a 20% across the tax cut because they were so worried about the deficit.
            Americans wanted people who understand science better than those eggheads with, you know, degrees, who don't understand that women can shut down a pregnancy when it's cause by a **legitimate** rape (whatever that is).
            Americans want to see Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid gutted so that more money is available for tax cuts for the rich.
            Americans want politicians who understand that the problem with this country is that multi-national corporations just don't have enough power.
            Americans want to see their politicians free to stuff their loot in secret accounts overseas where they won't be bothered with pesky things like taxes.
            Americans love to have politicians waving their Bibles in our faces and make life miserable for those ungodly gays.
            Americans want health insurance companies free to discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions. Willard was so chicken to back down on that during the debate.

            Next time, if the Republican Party runs a true Koch-sucker who plainly promises to bust unions, repeal Obamacare, ban gay marriage, outlaw abortion, and unravel what remains of America's tattered social safety net, all in the service of cutting taxes on corporations and millionaires, they will win for sure.

            No doubt about it.

            Believe!

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            • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
              ahoy Chloe,

              respectfully and hopefully not to incite yer wrath...but i hafta disagree with ye. the rigid pro-life position 'o the conservatives be one they get right....fer themselves, and god bless'm fer it. the part they get wrong be whar they decide that this shall be the case fer everyone else (if they really believe that life begins at conception, then i think 'tis thar duty to fight the good fight and i don't blame'm fer doin' so, but i still disagree with the righteousness 'o thar crusade).

              - MeadHallPirate
              The issue is more for me that it is not for ourselves that we make and take these stances but rather for the child / children we carry in our womb, and to that extent, it remains wrong, no matter what, to terminate the life we carry. Once we take on that responsibility it is ours to carry until the child is sufficiently able to live independently of us. That then negates the issue of how that child was created / for what reason etc and it applies to everyone. Life starts when it starts, there is no fudging that, there is no denying it, there is no convenient circumstance to circumvent it either. It remains our role as women and mothers that we must carry out that duty, in the eyes of the Lord.

              The position of whether we would consider an abortion does not even come into it, any woman worth her soul would not. The crusade comes in when it is in regards to defending those many millions of unborn hat we do not carry ourselves ; those that are born (being beared) by other women. Those unborn still have the same right to be defended, and are the ones that need it the most, as they are the ones most at risk of not seeing a day outside the womb.

              You won't feel my wrath btw ; i have no scorn for you dear. I think the tongue lashings i have given occasionally (rare as they may be lol) has led to the letter "C" in the next tropical storm season almost certainly meaning they will name the hurricane "Chloe". And knowing my luck, she will be a Cat 5 that wipes out 10's of thousands of lives. All in my name.

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              • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by jpn View Post
                I totally agree. Americans wanted a 20% across the tax cut because they were so worried about the deficit.
                Americans wanted people who understand science better than those eggheads with, you know, degrees, who don't understand that women can shut down a pregnancy when it's cause by a **legitimate** rape (whatever that is).
                Americans want to see Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid gutted so that more money is available for tax cuts for the rich.
                Americans want politicians who understand that the problem with this country is that multi-national corporations just don't have enough power.
                Americans want to see their politicians free to stuff their loot in secret accounts overseas where they won't be bothered with pesky things like taxes.
                Americans love to have politicians waving their Bibles in our faces and make life miserable for those ungodly gays.
                Americans want health insurance companies free to discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions. Willard was so chicken to back down on that during the debate.

                Next time, if the Republican Party runs a true Koch-sucker who plainly promises to bust unions, repeal Obamacare, ban gay marriage, outlaw abortion, and unravel what remains of America's tattered social safety net, all in the service of cutting taxes on corporations and millionaires, they will win for sure.

                No doubt about it.

                Believe!
                And please tell me when it is that Ron Paul literally said any of that junk you just posted. What I said has absolutely nothing to do with what you responded with. Last time I checked Paul's platform, along with his numerous speeches, never mentioned union busting, banning gay marriage, instantly getting rid of safety nets, giving corporations more corporate welfare, cutting taxes for the rich or any of that nonsense. In fact, his platform calls for just the opposite of a lot of what you listed. Again, he believes simply in liberty; leave gay marriage banning and abortion banning and all that bullshit to the States, it is not the job of the President.

                See here you show that you have no clue what you are talking about. Paul has not only NEVER said any of that shit you claim, he actually runs AGAINST most of what you typed. Like corporate welfare for instance...he runs against it...in almost every speech he talks about this. He talks about cutting taxes for EVERYONE, not just the rich and not just cutting taxes, but cutting spending at the SAME TIME. But, not just cutting spending from "Safety Nets", but in fact from the DEFENSE BUDGET. Speech after speech, Paul says the same thing: "I don't advocate cutting the safety nets that people depend on; I want to cut from the bloated military budget, quit these wars, and use the saved money to PROP UP THE SAFETY NETS IN THE SHORT TERM while eventually phasing them out for younger people" (in the case of SS for instance).

                See, again, you've never even listened to the man or read any of the essays he's written or the 10+ books his authored; nope not you Mr. Degree in Everything, reading and actually paying attention are such old concepts. Just watch MSNBC and get told all you need to know, just like my "conservative friends" upload their Fox News koolaid everyday. Just upload you some MSNBC, tout your Degree and claim to know everything.

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                • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                  FYI:
                  This week, it’s a special on the US presidential and congress elections.

                  121,366,971 – The total number of votes cast in this year’s United States presidential election.

                  10,027,019 – The number of votes by which that figure has fallen since 2008. The fervour surrounding Barack Obama’s candidacy – and the end of the Bush era – in 2008 brought a record turnout, which melted away this time around.

                  61,680,412 – The total number of votes cast for the Obama-Biden ticket in 2012. That’s 50.51 per cent of all votes cast.

                  7,817,803 – The number of votes Obama lost compared to 2008. That’s almost 78 per cent of the total fall in the turnout. Another way of putting that: out of every 9 people who voted in 2008 but didn’t this time, 7 of them would had voted for Obama in 2008.

                  58,487,232 - The total number of votes cast for Mitt Romney in 2012; a healthy 47.98 per cent of the total number cast. That’s 1,461,008 fewer than John McCain won in 2008, though.

                  748,208 – The decline in the number of votes for candidates from neither of the two main parties. This year the Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson, mopped up most of the third-party votes, winning the support of 1,178,442 voters. Actress Roseanne Barr, running on a ‘Peace and Freedom’ ticket, got 49,380.

                  60 – The time, in years, since Vigo County in Indiana has supported the candidate which did not ultimately win the election. Dwight D Eisenhower, in 1952, was the last Commander-in-Chief who did not win the county’s support – the voters went for Adlai Stephenson. Vigo County has only gotten it ‘wrong’, so to speak, twice since 1892.

                  4 – The total number of seats that changed hands in the Senate, out of 33. Pretty much nothing changed: the Senate is now 53-45 with two independents, compared to 51-47 with two independents previously.

                  3 – The net number of seats gained by the Democrats in the house. (There are still nine seats which had not been totally sewn up by the time of writing.)

                  $6 billion – The estimated total campaign spending between the Presidential, Senate and House elections. Which, when you think about it, is quite a lot of money to spend so that the net composition of all three institutions is virtually identical to where it was last week.

                  $50 million – The estimated amount spent by Linda McMahon on her Senate campaign in Connecticut; it was the second time in three years that McMahon had been the republican nominee. She spent a similar amount in 2010. She lost both times.

                  1 – The total number of elections called incorrectly by the New York Times poll analyst Nate Silver. Silver correctly predicted the results of all 51 presidential states (the 50 states, plus DC), and 32 of the Senate elections. The only one he got wrong was the North Dakota senate election, which went to the Democrat candidate on a 50.5-49.5 margin. Silver’s success at predicting elections has led some to ask: is Nate Silver a witch?

                  78 per cent – The proportion of Mormon voters who are thought to have voted for Mitt Romney, the first member of the Church of Latter Day Saints to run for a major party. That, as it happens, is less than the proportion who voted for George W Bush in 2004. Exit polls suggest that Romney’s performance with members of his own church was ‘break even’.

                  11 percentage points – The spread by which female voters preferred Obama to Romney, according to exit polls commissioned by the National Election Pool (a consortium of ABC, Associated Press, CBS, CNN, Fox and NBC). That’s barely a dent on the 13 per cent from 2008 and, given that women make up 53 per cent of the electorate, shows the importance of the female vote in getting Obama into office for a second term.

                  13 percentage points – The spread in favour of Obama, at 55-43, among voters with postgraduate degrees. When ranked by educational status, Romney’s only majority was in those with only undergraduate qualifications, 51-47.

                  15 percentage points – The spread in Obama’s favour (56-41) among people who consider themselves ‘moderate’. That’s down from the 60-39 spread in 2008 but still a clear majority among the 41 per cent of voters who describe themselves as ‘moderate’.

                  56 per cent – The proportion of married voters who supported Romney. Republican candidates traditionally do well among married voters, though they make up a smaller proportion of the population (60 per cent this year, compared to 66 per cent last time). John McCain only managed a 52-47 spread; Romney made it to 56-42.

                  7 per cent – The volume of registered Democrats who voted for Romney.

                  6 per cent – The volume of registered Republicans who voted for Obama.
                  After all that Romney gets 1,461,008 fewer than John McCain...

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                  • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
                    FYI:


                    After all that Romney gets 1,461,008 fewer than John McCain...
                    Because he was even less of a conservative than McCain if that be possible.

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                    • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                      Interesting Info

                      Presidential Race - 2012 Election Center - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

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                      • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                        After watching many interviews with voters standing in voter lines, I have decided people are no longer electing a President, they are electing an American Idol. They have no clue about the consequences of their vote on the country. All they know is what some talking head on TV told them was important.

                        They have no idea about our form or government, the national debt, who is in charge and what they believe. I think it's time to put some questions on the ballot that test their knowledge of the government and if they can answer a few basic questions, their ballot goes through to the shredder.

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                        • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                          After watching many interviews with voters standing in voter lines, I have decided people are no longer electing a President, they are electing an American Idol. They have no clue about the consequences of their vote on the country. All they know is what some talking head on TV told them was important.

                          They have no idea about our form or government, the national debt, who is in charge and what they believe. I think it's time to put some questions on the ballot that test their knowledge of the government and if they can answer a few basic questions, their ballot goes through to the shredder.
                          The electorate is partially to blame (they should be paying attention and educating themselves about these important issue), as is the education system (for failing to install the importance of continued learning throughout life), as is the alleged news media outlets (which are not informing the electorate).

                          Without an informed and educated electorate and a free press reporting on that activities of the government and the politicians, the republic will fall, and morph into a different form of government, possible ; it's only a matter of time. The democratic experiment and exceptionalism will come to an end.

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                          • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                            The electorate is partially to blame (they should be paying attention and educating themselves about these important issue), as is the education system (for failing to install the importance of continued learning throughout life), as is the alleged news media outlets (which are not informing the electorate).

                            Without an informed and educated electorate and a free press reporting on that activities of the government and the politicians, the republic will fall, and morph into a different form of government, possible ; it's only a matter of time. The democratic experiment and exceptionalism will come to an end.
                            Blame, Blame, Blame....

                            The people didn't agree with me therefore they are wrong and I am right... Time for us to take over the country for there own good...

                            There was a small guy with a moustach who had the same idea in Germany in the 1930s....

                            People are educating themselves plenty enough to know which party wants to compromise science, which had a presidential candidate who hadn't no details on his budget and lied over 900 times during his run... Enough people seemed to be smart enough this time...

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                            • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                              This was a pretty good description of the polling
                              A Week Later, Pollster Says: 'I Was Drinking That Republican Kool-Aid' : It's All Politics : NPR

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                              • Re: Election Day 2012 - Results Discussion Thread

                                For those of us who will never tire of this, here are some electoral maps, adjusted to account for population:





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