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Time to restrict access to assault weapons to prevent a Charlie Hebdo in the US?

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  • #61
    Here are the 6 states with lowest homicide rates in 2013 and gun ownership rates and percent white/percent black in the population of each state and median household incomes (2011 here)
    Idaho 1.7.... 55.3.... 84/1.... $43,341
    New Hampshire 1.7 ....30.0 ....93/1.... $62,647
    Utah 1.7 ....43.9 ....83/1 ....$55,869
    Vermont 1.6 ....42.0 ....3/1.... $52,776
    Hawaii 1.5.... 6.7.... 17/2 ....$61,821
    Iowa 1.4 ....42.9 ....85/3 ....$49,427

    6 states with highest homicide rates in 2013 and gun ownership rates and percent white/black in the population of each state and median household incomes (2011 here)
    Louisiana 10.8.... 44.1.... 60/32.... $41,734
    Alabama 7.2 ....51.7 .....67/26 ....$41,415
    Mississippi 6.5 ....55.3 ....57/37 .....$36,919
    Maryland 6.4 ....21.3 ....50/29 ....$70,000
    Michigan 6.4 ....38.4.... 75/14.... $45,981
    South Carolina 6.2 .... 42.3 .... 65/27 ....$42,367

    So what number seems to go along with higher incidence of homicide: gun ownership rate, demographics, or median household income?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Danny View Post

      From your link the average number of firearm deaths in the US per year is...wait for it...9262. I don't mean to be an ass but can you read?
      Let us all know how 9262 becomes 10,000.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
        Here are the 6 states with lowest homicide rates in 2013 and gun ownership rates and percent white/percent black in the population of each state and median household incomes (2011 here)
        Idaho 1.7.... 55.3.... 84/1.... $43,341
        New Hampshire 1.7 ....30.0 ....93/1.... $62,647
        Utah 1.7 ....43.9 ....83/1 ....$55,869
        Vermont 1.6 ....42.0 ....3/1.... $52,776
        Hawaii 1.5.... 6.7.... 17/2 ....$61,821
        Iowa 1.4 ....42.9 ....85/3 ....$49,427

        6 states with highest homicide rates in 2013 and gun ownership rates and percent white/black in the population of each state and median household incomes (2011 here)
        Louisiana 10.8.... 44.1.... 60/32.... $41,734
        Alabama 7.2 ....51.7 .....67/26 ....$41,415
        Mississippi 6.5 ....55.3 ....57/37 .....$36,919
        Maryland 6.4 ....21.3 ....50/29 ....$70,000
        Michigan 6.4 ....38.4.... 75/14.... $45,981
        South Carolina 6.2 .... 42.3 .... 65/27 ....$42,367

        So what number seems to go along with higher incidence of homicide: gun ownership rate, demographics, or median household income?
        I can't make sense of the data you posted but it's doesn't seem to be gun death rates but rather homicide rates. Furthermore as I demonstrated with my smoke in the plane analogy, you can't compare state by state because states don't have hard borders. You must compare country by country.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

          Let us all know how 9262 becomes 10,000.
          I can't believe I'm here debating weather or not it's appropriate or weather it changes the debate at all to round 9262 up to 10,000. I can't anymore I'm sorry.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Danny View Post

            Ah yes, the "gun free zone" a favourite talking point of right wingers who haven't a clue. You can't have "gun free zones" in your country any more than you can have a smoking and a non smoking section on an airplane.
            Sure you can. It's a gun free zone for everyone who is law abiding. That leaves you what?...only criminals who are armed and everyone else is easy prey.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Danny View Post

              I can't make sense of the data you posted but it's doesn't seem to be gun death rates but rather homicide rates. Furthermore as I demonstrated with my smoke in the plane analogy, you can't compare state by state because states don't have hard borders. You must compare country by country.
              Oh B.S., of course you can compare state to state. The laws of each state are different. And law abiding citizens most certainly pay attention to the laws of different states, they have to. In some states we can walk arround with pistols on our belts and have no problem, or carry a rifle on our shoulder in others that would get us riddled with bullets if we didn't comply with the demands of law enforcement officers quickly enough. I can get a concealed carry permit in my sate by filling out the paperwork and not being mentally deranged or a criminal, I can just put that pistol in a holster in a belt and go where I wish where there are not exclusions due to it being a "gun free zone". I drive 12 miles south with my gun on my belt into a neighboring state and I'm screwed.
              You really just do not know what you are talking about. I know of roads where I can cross into Canada, there's no fence, why hasn't Canada withered under the assault of wave after wave of U.S. gun carrying criminal?

              And murder is murder it doesn't matter to the dead man if they were killed with a gun or barehands.
              Last edited by JDJarvis; 01-12-2015, 11:34 AM.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Danny View Post

                I can't believe I'm here debating weather or not it's appropriate or weather it changes the debate at all to round 9262 up to 10,000. I can't anymore I'm sorry.
                I'm not debating the weather, I'm pointing out 9,262 isn't 10,000. The difference between the 2 numbers is more then twice the number of times any sort of rifle was used in a homicide in the U.S. in the past couple years.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Danny View Post

                  From your link the average number of firearm deaths in the US per year is...wait for it...9262. I don't mean to be an ass but can you read?

                  Try again, Danny. You started this thread to launch into another tedious, holier than thou whinge about "assault weapons", and specifically the types of RIFLES used in the Charlie Hebdo atrocity. You claim banning these RIFLES will save 10,000 lives a year.

                  But as you know, RIFLES are used in fewer than 500 homicides a year. Less than 1/20 of the number of lives you claim will be saved by banning these RIFLES.

                  The question is can you read?

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by MattInFla View Post


                    Try again, Danny. You started this thread to launch into another tedious, holier than thou whinge about "assault weapons", and specifically the types of RIFLES used in the Charlie Hebdo atrocity. You claim banning these RIFLES will save 10,000 lives a year.

                    But as you know, RIFLES are used in fewer than 500 homicides a year. Less than 1/20 of the number of lives you claim will be saved by banning these RIFLES.

                    The question is can you read?
                    No, I said it's a good idea to restrict the ability of terrorists (who have reccomended exploiting your lax laws) to get guns and at the same time those common sense restrictions on all guns would save more lives. But I guess it's not that big of a deal for you guys.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Danny View Post

                      No, I said it's a good idea to restrict the ability of terrorists (who have reccomended exploiting your lax laws) to get guns and at the same time those common sense restrictions on all guns would save more lives. But I guess it's not that big of a deal for you guys.

                      You REALLY want to make sure we're Charlie Hebdo.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Danny View Post

                        No, I said it's a good idea to restrict the ability of terrorists (who have reccomended exploiting your lax laws) to get guns and at the same time those common sense restrictions on all guns would save more lives. But I guess it's not that big of a deal for you guys.

                        Actually, it's not big deal to me that a bunch of gang bangers kill each other. We are all better off. I'm all for arming both sides of the Muslim groups and letting kill a many of each other as they can. I'm not worried, when I go out at night, that I will be shot.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Danny View Post

                          No, I said it's a good idea to restrict the ability of terrorists (who have reccomended exploiting your lax laws) to get guns and at the same time those common sense restrictions on all guns would save more lives. But I guess it's not that big of a deal for you guys.
                          Not a big deal is a vast understatement. Your suggestions mean the square root of fuck all to me. You don't like our laws. We don't give a fuck.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Danny View Post

                            No, I said it's a good idea to restrict the ability of terrorists (who have reccomended exploiting your lax laws) to get guns and at the same time those common sense restrictions on all guns would save more lives. But I guess it's not that big of a deal for you guys.
                            We have restrictions what do you not understand about that? One or more of those Paris terrorists was on a no fly list if they tried to legally buy any of the weapons they used they would have gotten a visit from law enforcement.

                            this is the process in my state:
                            Got into a gun shop with proper ID, select a gun to purchase and fill out a federally mandated firearms transaction record, ATF Form 4473. The dealer will complete the process by contacting either the NH State Police for handguns or the FBI NICS operations for rifles and shotguns. When you are approved the transaction is complete and you walk away with your new gun. If you want to obtain a concealed carry pistol/revolver license, you must go to your local police department to apply for a permit and they will assist you in that process.

                            What isn't common sense about that?

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Danny View Post

                              No, I said it's a good idea to restrict the ability of terrorists (who have reccomended exploiting your lax laws) to get guns and at the same time those common sense restrictions on all guns would save more lives. But I guess it's not that big of a deal for you guys.
                              What are you talking about when you started a thread about "assault weapons" if you were not talking about rifles?

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Danny View Post

                                No, I said it's a good idea to restrict the ability of terrorists (who have reccomended exploiting your lax laws) to get guns and at the same time those common sense restrictions on all guns would save more lives. But I guess it's not that big of a deal for you guys.
                                Terrorists are already restricting from getting guns ... why the hell would you restrict access to firearms and infringe on the rights if some 240+ million? Because of a few terrorists? That logic makes no sense at all -- and I guess irrational recommendations is not a big deal for you.

                                The liberal use of the phrase "common sense" is relative in meaning. Common sense restrictions, in my opinion, means: enforcing the laws we already have instead of introducing more feel-good legislation that's not productive.

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