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  • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

    There are no "moderate" tramplings of Constitutional rights. Certainly not involving bans of a broad class of legitimate sporting guns, and particularly where such a ban has already been tried and provided no demonstrable benefit.

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    • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

      Originally posted by Bfgrn View Post
      Irrelevant. The logical fallacy is your examples. No one is calling for a ban on all guns.
      Wrong! You really need to study what the gun control nuts really want and the piecemeal way they trying to accomplish it.
      Why is this so impossible to understand? Are you any less safe because you don't have a bazooka? The ban being talked about is for a specific type of weapon ONLY and over a certain capacity clip.
      THIS time. Next time it will be something else, one more piecemeal step.

      This debate has really exposed the gun crowd as extreme, insecure, unable to understand even moderate ideas or proposals.
      The fact is WE DO UNDERSTAND, and that is what keeps thwarting the Feinsteins and all of those like her. We are already subject to some draconian gun laws, laws which have not prevented any gun violence. We don't believe you extreme, insecure, unable to understand even moderate ideas or proposals gun nuts.

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      • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

        Originally posted by Bfgrn View Post
        Irrelevant. The logical fallacy is your examples. No one is calling for a ban on all guns. Why is this so impossible to understand? Are you any less safe because you don't have a bazooka? The ban being talked about is for a specific type of weapon ONLY and over a certain capacity clip.

        This debate has really exposed the gun crowd as extreme, insecure, unable to understand even moderate ideas or proposals.
        The logic seems to have been lost on you. Whether there is a call for a ban on one gun or all guns, ericams2786's post shows that gun control isn't the answer because the criminals won't be stopped by bans, taxation, registration, etc. meaning only law-abiding gun owners are affected.

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        • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

          Originally posted by Bfgrn View Post
          You are confused. Our nation was founded on democratic principles. Our form of government is a representative republic.

          "The equal rights of man, and the happiness of every individual, are now acknowledged to be the only legitimate objects of government. Modern times have the signal advantage, too, of having discovered the only device by which these rights can be secured, to wit: government by the people, acting not in person, but by representatives chosen by themselves, that is to say, by every man of ripe years and sane mind, who contributes either by his purse or person to the support of his country." --Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823. ME 15:482
          I am not confused in the least.

          Democratically elected representatives, who are SUPPOSED to follow The Constitution, thus protecting the rights of ALL.

          Have you ever read the Second Amendment?

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          • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

            Originally posted by Mrs. M View Post
            The logic seems to have been lost on you. Whether there is a call for a ban on one gun or all guns, ericams2786's post shows that gun control isn't the answer because the criminals won't be stopped by bans, taxation, registration, etc. meaning only law-abiding gun owners are affected.
            Why should we have ANY laws then? Why have speed limits, will it stop someone from breaking them?

            I keep hearing nothing but the extreme from the right. Example: there is a loophole in the gun show law that allows a big gun dealer to pose as little uncle Joe selling a gun or two, and circumvent doing a background check. Why wouldn't any law abiding gun owner and citizen want to close that loophole? ericams2786's post gives the example of a town where every head of the household is required to have a gun,. I am going to utilize the 'slippery slope' this time...what next? What next Mrs. M? What kind of nation do we want to be? What does that model look like where everyone has a gun?

            Maybe America should follow the lead of the most ultra-conservative cultures on the planet...Muslim countries.

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            • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

              There is no loophole allowing a licensed dealer to sell a firearm to any individual who is not also a federally licensed dealer without a background check. Any licensee who does so is committing a federal felony. Period. Anyone who tells you differently is lying to you, Bfgrn.

              As I have said before, I support requiring all transfers be done through a licensed dealer on a form 4473. But this claim you keep repeating that a licensed dealer can lawfully sell a firearm without a background check via some "loophole" is an outright falsehood.

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              • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                Originally posted by Bfgrn View Post
                Why should we have ANY laws then? Why have speed limits, will it stop someone from breaking them?

                I keep hearing nothing but the extreme from the right. Example: there is a loophole in the gun show law that allows a big gun dealer to pose as little uncle Joe selling a gun or two, and circumvent doing a background check. Why wouldn't any law abiding gun owner and citizen want to close that loophole? ericams2786's post gives the example of a town where every head of the household is required to have a gun,. I am going to utilize the 'slippery slope' this time...what next? What next Mrs. M? What kind of nation do we want to be? What does that model look like where everyone has a gun?

                Maybe America should follow the lead of the most ultra-conservative cultures on the planet...Muslim countries.
                I'm just gonna quote myself from another thread......

                How strict would gun laws have to be to prevent massacres? Total ban? Seriously, it really doesn't take many brain cells to understand that bans or stricter laws aren't the answer because the criminal is going to disobey them anyway, which means the only people punished are law-abiding folks. Now, before someone comes up with something stupid like "why have laws at all then", I'll explain why. Crimes such as theft, murder, etc. are committed by criminals who obviously care not about the consequences as defined by our judicial system whereas and the laws are written to punish the criminal. But when a criminal robs a bank, it is the robber who is punished, not every person who banks there. Gun laws, which already define penalties for illegal use are necessary, not to prevent the crime, but to punish the criminal. We're all willing to punish the bank robber but with gun bans, some of you folks want to punish the account holder, too, and that's just plain wrong, especially when we have a constitutional right to have our guns!
                http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/gun-...ml#post2136436

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                • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                  Originally posted by Danny View Post
                  Do you want dead kids in a classroom or do you want a slight inconvenience when buying an assault weapon.? Seems straightforward.
                  I want my freedom unhindered by fascist progressives.

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                  • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

                    Straight forward except to fascists who wish to make us less free.

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                    • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                      The only reason that the government is pushing for more control of any fire arm is so that either there will be no up rising of the people or if there is that the people will not be as well armed as the government.

                      None of the laws on the books to day or yesterday have stopped what has happened, if some one wishes to use a gun then they will find one legal or illegal as the law means nothing to that person.

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                      • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                        Originally posted by thanatos144 View Post
                        A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

                        Straight forward except to fascists who wish to make us less free.
                        And what most over look is that each citizen in this country is part of that militia that you and I talk about. The well regulated part is that when we are called to stand up will be that we take orders from a leader and not act as an uncontrolled mob on the lose.

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                        • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                          Originally posted by ericams2786 View Post
                          I thought this was particularly pertinent to this thread. I often wonder why people don't question why the government is so afraid of citizens with guns. The question is always phrased "why are you afraid of the government?" My question is this

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                          And I think it's a pretty damn good question. And it's not just the DHS buying up ammo. Just recently, the Social Security Administration bought up something like 100 million + rounds of hollow point ammo. Why is the Federal government doing that, but wanting to take away "assault weapons".

                          Again, I pose this question as well: If you want to save some children, why not ban drone bombing?
                          Besides being responsible for TSA, Customs, ICE and the Secret Service, DHS provides training for numerous state and local agencies. What do you expect them to use in training over the next five years, cap guns?

                          NRA-ILA | Federal Law Enforcement Agencies Buy Ammunition

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                          • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                            Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                            Besides being responsible for TSA, Customs, ICE and the Secret Service, DHS provides training for numerous state and local agencies. What do you expect them to use in training over the next five years, cap guns?

                            NRA-ILA | Federal Law Enforcement Agencies Buy Ammunition
                            Clearly, they find such weapons VERY useful in civilian areas. The same reason Americans carry guns for self-defense: because they find them to be useful for such a task in such circumstances.

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                            • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
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                              Last time I checked, when pencils, cars and forks are used as intended they don't kill people. Remind me again what the Bushmaster .223 was originally designed for?

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                              • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                                Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                                Last time I checked, when pencils, cars and forks are used as intended they don't kill people. Remind me again what the Bushmaster .223 was originally designed for?
                                To protect you from a oppressive government......What else do you think the second amendment is for?

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