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  • #46
    Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

    Originally posted by CharlesD View Post
    What we really should do is work at eliminating ALL of the current gun laws and start new. One of the first things should be orders to police to shoot anyone on sight caught committing a crime with a gun. Telling all gun owners that if there is an intruder, shoot him where he stands. However if he is trying to escape, shoot him as soon as he leaves through the door or window so you won't soil your carpets. Make the criminals afraid to use a firearm.
    I have stated my views numerous times on various threads. My focus; how can we make our society safer? How can we keep people who should not have a gun being able to buy a gun under some 'legal' guise or loophole? That seems like it should be the concern of all law abiding citizens. Those who own firearms and those who don't. My views are not radical, nor do I support taking away all guns or anything close to that. The insults and vitriol hailed my way from gun owners is unwarranted.

    What is becoming more and more clear is the only radicals and radical rhetoric is coming from one side, and one side only.

    It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.
    Albert Camus

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    • #47
      Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

      Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
      Ah, BlueDoggy, you are truly the kind of firearm owner that Feinstein and the like love.

      You're more than happy to sell out the rights of other gun owners today, completely ignorant of the fact that the "pretty" guns you own are next on the target list. IIRC, you own a 1911? Guess what? That's a deadly semi-automatic killing machine capable of accepting a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds! How long do you think it will be before your gun ends up on the ban list?

      Do you really not know that Feinstein's stated goal is to have every gun owner - even you guys in the Elmer Fudd set with your pretty polished walnut stocks - "turn them all in"?

      Wake up, man. I know you don't give a shit about my rights, but can you really be so blind as to not see that your rights will be the next ones targeted?
      Yep I love my 1911 Colt. Anways most of my posts on guns are somewhat tongue in cheek with a little insight in it, hopefully. I am a gun owner and believe in our right to bear arms. I really do . I do think though these glamor weapons are causing unneeded problems and perhaps if we just did away with em and those 30 round magazines, the mass murderers would have to use bolt action rifles or 3 shot magazine weapons, semi autos. I know if I were in a crowd I would prefer it if the killer shooting us didn't have a load on sunday, kill all week clip in his war toy. I kinda like the idear of fewer people being killed by these crazy, evil men. Sure if he was really good he could swap out clips, but most folks might be a bit nervous as they shot people, and it might give me time to rush the guy, more so if the had 30 rounds to unload on us.

      I do love guns, but have never liked these glamour guns. They attract way too much attention, and become easy targets, thereby threating my 22 rifle and 1911 Colt.

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      • #48
        Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
        Laws are like locks on doors. Locks keep out only the honest folks. You can have an infinite number of gun laws. Only the good people will obey them. That still leaves the evil and the nuts who pay no mind to any law.
        As citizens, we can't stop a criminal from buying an illegal firearm from the trunk of another criminal in some dark alley.

        But, that's where the criminal should be forced to buy a gun. In a totally illegal setting, with all the inherent dangers that come with it. BUT, our current laws sanction criminals being able to walk into a gun show, receive expert advice, discounts, what ever weapon(s) they desire without a background check or having to pay black market prices or risk the dangers of buying a weapon from another criminal in a dark alley.

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        • #49
          Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

          Originally posted by Bfgrn View Post
          As citizens, we can't stop a criminal from buying an illegal firearm from the trunk of another criminal in some dark alley.

          But, that's where the criminal should be forced to buy a gun. In a totally illegal setting, with all the inherent dangers that come with it. BUT, our current laws sanction criminals being able to walk into a gun show, receive expert advice, discounts, what ever weapon(s) they desire without a background check or having to pay black market prices or risk the dangers of buying a weapon from another criminal in a dark alley.
          For the specific case in point, the Newtown shooting, perhaps mandatory trigger locks, perhaps exempted by a gun safe, might keep more of the unstable from access to weapons? I'm all in favor of simple, common sense solutions, rather than overbearing government overreach or other some such silly things.

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          • #50
            Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

            Originally posted by Bfgrn View Post
            I have stated my views numerous times on various threads. My focus; how can we make our society safer? How can we keep people who should not have a gun being able to buy a gun under some 'legal' guise or loophole? That seems like it should be the concern of all law abiding citizens. Those who own firearms and those who don't. My views are not radical, nor do I support taking away all guns or anything close to that. The insults and vitriol hailed my way from gun owners is unwarranted.

            What is becoming more and more clear is the only radicals and radical rhetoric is coming from one side, and one side only.

            It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.
            Albert Camus
            Like I said, we could take every gun from every law abiding citizen, and the criminals will still have their guns, be able to renew their supply and nothing any of us can do will stop that.

            BTW, if you consider what you are having aimed at you insults and vitriol, then all I can say is, "you have a very thin skin."

            Also, if you believe those who are not in favor of gun control radicals then you obviously do not understand what a radical is.

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            • #51
              Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

              Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
              You "serious" gun owners are in for a surprise when you find out that your "serious" rifle is a "deadly sniper weapon" in the next ban bill. Of course, it will be too late to get your head out by then....
              You know what is fun. I can hit the bullseye of a target at 100 yards with a 120lb pull recurved bow. Not a Compound but a recurved. You will never hear the arrow coming and with hunting tips it will kill you as dead as any handgun or rifle and a lot less noise.

              Add in poisons to the tip and you have to only scratch someone to kill them. By the time you are hit I have moved to a different spot.

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              • #52
                Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                Yep I love my 1911 Colt.
                That 1911 Colt can only hit the side of the barn if you were 10 feet way and fired as fast as you could pull the trigger. I don't know if you are aware of how the military conducts target practice, but, there is the shooter and a coach who stands behind the shooter to help make suggestions. From that vantage point one can actually watch the round arch in the general direction of the target. Lots of stopping power IF you can hit what you are shooting at.

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                • #53
                  Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                  Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
                  You "serious" gun owners are in for a surprise when you find out that your "serious" rifle is a "deadly sniper weapon" in the next ban bill. Of course, it will be too late to get your head out by then....
                  That is a fact. Give the anti-gun nuts a high capacity magazine and an assault rifle and they will be coming for your sporting semi-automatic with a 4 round magazine as soon as the ink dries and the dust settles. There is no such thing short of a total elimination of private ownership ban on firearms which will satisfy most of them. We have to stand firm and give them nothing or we will shortly be having our firearms confiscated.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                    Originally posted by Bfgrn View Post
                    As citizens, we can't stop a criminal from buying an illegal firearm from the trunk of another criminal in some dark alley.

                    But, that's where the criminal should be forced to buy a gun. In a totally illegal setting, with all the inherent dangers that come with it. BUT, our current laws sanction criminals being able to walk into a gun show, receive expert advice, discounts, what ever weapon(s) they desire without a background check or having to pay black market prices or risk the dangers of buying a weapon from another criminal in a dark alley.
                    You do know that dealers do background checks for all purchases, even at gun shows?

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                    • #55
                      Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                      I had a feeling this sort of thing was on the way, will not accomplish a damn thing. Then again, what else is new?

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                      • #56
                        Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                        Originally posted by CharlesD View Post
                        Like I said, we could take every gun from every law abiding citizen, and the criminals will still have their guns, be able to renew their supply and nothing any of us can do will stop that.

                        BTW, if you consider what you are having aimed at you insults and vitriol, then all I can say is, "you have a very thin skin."

                        Also, if you believe those who are not in favor of gun control radicals then you obviously do not understand what a radical is.
                        If we apply your logic to all laws, why have speed limits, why have laws against drinking and driving, why have laws against driving and texting, why have any laws, because there will always be outlaws.

                        I don't have a thin skinned. But I am personally aware of what is deemed an insult. I see many that could be reported. I don't do that, I stand up for my views without running to a nanny.

                        I know what radical is, do you? Please point out what ideas I have posted that are radical?
                        Last edited by Bfgrn; 12-28-2012, 11:45 AM.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                          Originally posted by Bfgrn View Post
                          If we apply your logic to all laws, why have speed limits, why have laws against drinking and driving, why have laws against driving and texting, why have any laws, because there will always be outlaws.
                          My logic as expressed has nothing to do with anything but firearms. Firearms are a constitutionally guaranteed right. Driving is a privilege. Laws governing privileges make more sense than infringing laws against a right.

                          I don't have a thin skinned. But I am personally aware of what is deemed an insult. I see many that could be reported. I don't do that, I stand up for my views without running to a nanny.
                          So what do you call your opening statement making light of my opinion? As much of an "insult" as I have ever done. So you can climb down off your high horse and join the rest of us human beings.

                          I know what radical is, do you?
                          Yes!
                          Please point out what ideas I have posted that are radical?
                          Every one of which suggests it is the gun which is the problem, and not the mind set of the criminal. We already have laws against criminals and crazies having guns and shooting or threatening innocent people.. Making more laws will only deprive law abiding citizens from keeping and bearing firearms.

                          Oh yeah, and by constantly reminding us with that idiot quack John Kenneth Galbraith in your signature. He is definitely a radical economist.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                            Originally posted by Bfgrn View Post
                            The prudent thing to do is to examine all factors that contribute to the gun violent society we've created. Among industrialized nations we are number one in gun deaths per year, not by a little, but by a lot. And guns shouldn't get a free pass. There have been numerous threads and posts where it has been proven that the current laws allow guns to be sold to people who shouldn't be able to buy them legally. And I have asked gun owners to explain why any law abiding citizen needs a weapon and hardware that can fire off 100 rounds at a fire rate of 1 per second. The conversation almost always end with some slippery slope paranoia.
                            Ill answer as a radical centrist. People want to have the capacity to have a weapon that can fire 100 shots as a citizen because they believe in the militia clause of the 2nd amendment and want to be able to serve ,in the very unlikely event they must, with a weapon of such capability that they themselves have direct access to.

                            Or maybe because they simply want to shoot 100 times.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                              Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                              Ill answer as a radical centrist. People want to have the capacity to have a weapon that can fire 100 shots as a citizen because they believe in the militia clause of the 2nd amendment and want to be able to serve ,in the very unlikely event they must, with a weapon of such capability that they themselves have direct access to.

                              Or maybe because they simply want to shoot 100 times.
                              Though I doubt many people would want such a firearm, making it illegal to buy won't keep them out of the hands of criminals. as well, if all I wanted a weapon for was to stay up all night and look at it, THAT IS MY CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED RIGHT.

                              BTW, nothing about your expressed opinions on this forum is centrist. You maybe between the center of the left and the extreme left, but that is about as close to centrist your opinions have been on the board.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                                Originally posted by Bfgrn View Post
                                The prudent thing to do is to examine all factors that contribute to the gun violent society we've created. Among industrialized nations we are number one in gun deaths per year, not by a little, but by a lot. And guns shouldn't get a free pass. There have been numerous threads and posts where it has been proven that the current laws allow guns to be sold to people who shouldn't be able to buy them legally. And I have asked gun owners to explain why any law abiding citizen needs a weapon and hardware that can fire off 100 rounds at a fire rate of 1 per second. The conversation almost always end with some slippery slope paranoia.
                                It's hard to take questions couched in the language of hysteria and paranoia, such as your bleat about "100 rounds at a fire rate of 1 per second" seriously. PErhaps that's why you've never gotten an answer to the question that you are satisfied with.

                                Or, perhaps the reason is that there is no answer that you will be satisfied with, as your fear prevents you from considering any answer apart from "no reason, they must be banned now!"

                                Or, perhaps, nobody else feels they must justify anything they own to you.

                                I'm going to do me, and let you do you.
                                - Hancock

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