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  • #61
    Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

    Originally posted by Bfgrn View Post
    More on LAPD buyback program...

    L.A. Times - Two rocket launchers at gun buyback didn't surprise LAPD chief

    Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck was not surprised that the city's gun buyback event this week collected two rocket launchers.

    Beck said he's used to military-style weapons being turned in at such events. He noted that neither of the launchers had rockets in them so they did not pose a danger.

    Still, he said such weapons have no place on the streets of L.A.

    "Those are weapons of war, weapons of death," Beck said. "These are not hunting guns. These are not target guns. These are made to put high-velocity, extremely deadly, long-range rounds down-range as quickly as possible, and they have no place in our great city."

    More from: 2 Rocket Launchers Turned In During LAPD Gun Buyback

    police believe the "shoulder-fired" weapons are antiquated, decades-old, launchers from wars past often picked up by collectors or passed down to family members by veterans.

    The official described them as LAW weapons, for light-anti-tank weapons.

    They propel rocket grenades, but the official called them "non-working" because they did not have the "projectiles" with them.

    The buyback yielded 2,037 firearms, including 75 assault weapons and two rocket launchers, officials said. The total was nearly 400 more weapons than were collected in a similar buyback earlier this year.
    Well, the 2A isn't there for hunting or target shooting, even if those tubes were loaded.

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    • #62
      Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

      Originally posted by ericams2786 View Post
      Connecticut already had an "assault weapons" ban AND the school was a gun free zone. But lookey what happened anyway.
      What an idiotic rebuttal. It's pointless to have a gun free zone in a state full of guns. It's also pointless to have a gun free state in a country full of guns. You may as well have gun free rooms in buildings and then claim gun restrictions don't work when people go from one room to the next with a gun.

      My prior statement is dead the fuck on. It's not hard America. Every other country has solved this problem to the extent possible. You are not special. You are not unique. There is nothing exceptional about America other than its size. We all have the same mental health problems. We all watch the same movies, read the same news and work the same jobs. The only difference is America's lack of reasonable gun laws.

      So I ask again: You can choose classrooms full of dead children or you can choose minor inconveniences. Seems like a pretty straight forward choice except to some people in this thread (I don't have to deal with the inconvenience..wtf?). Yes I do, my country has proper laws remember? So what you are saying is massacres are a price you are willing to pay to lessen the inconvenience when buying a gun. Rakkasan that is I N C R E D I B L E.

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      • #63
        Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

        Originally posted by CharlesD View Post
        Like I said, we could take every gun from every law abiding citizen, and the criminals will still have their guns
        The massacre suspects weren't criminals! Your argument is bogus.

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        • #64
          Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

          Why the plurality? There was only one suspect, who committed the crime...

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          • #65
            Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

            Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
            You do know that dealers do background checks for all purchases, even at gun shows?
            That's not what the liberal media outlets told him as they pushed to further Feinstein's agenda.

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            • #66
              Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

              Originally posted by Danny View Post
              What an idiotic rebuttal. It's pointless to have a gun free zone in a state full of guns. It's also pointless to have a gun free state in a country full of guns. You may as well have gun free rooms in buildings and then claim gun restrictions don't work when people go from one room to the next with a gun.

              My prior statement is dead the fuck on. It's not hard America. Every other country has solved this problem to the extent possible. You are not special. You are not unique. There is nothing exceptional about America other than its size. We all have the same mental health problems. We all watch the same movies, read the same news and work the same jobs. The only difference is America's lack of reasonable gun laws.

              So I ask again: You can choose classrooms full of dead children or you can choose minor inconveniences. Seems like a pretty straight forward choice except to some people in this thread (I don't have to deal with the inconvenience..wtf?). Yes I do, my country has proper laws remember? So what you are saying is massacres are a price you are willing to pay to lessen the inconvenience when buying a gun. Rakkasan that is I N C R E D I B L E.
              All "gun free zones" do is create a target rich environment.

              No, America IS special, and unique, and exceptional.

              Laws don't stop someone who has decided that suicide is the final outcome for his plan.

              The ONLY thing that stops someone like that is another person with the will and the means to stop him.

              Pass a hundred more laws - all that it will do is discourage even more law abiding citizens from being able to stop the next nutcase with a death wish scenario.

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              • #67
                Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                Originally posted by smurf View Post
                That's not what the liberal media outlets told him as they pushed to further Feinstein's agenda.
                I have posted this more than once...




                Michael R. Bloomberg
                108th Mayor of the City of New York

                Gun Show Undercover

                Ever wonder how criminals are able to get guns so easily? It's depressingly simple. On any given weekend, at dozens of gun shows held in states across the country -- criminals can buy guns from "private sellers" who are not required to perform background checks.

                The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has identified gun shows as the source of more than 30% of all illegally trafficked guns in the country. Those are the guns most likely to be used in crimes -- and to kill innocent people, including police officers.

                Today, New York City is releasing the results of a multi-state investigation into this activity: "Gun Show Undercover." We sent investigators with hidden cameras to seven gun shows across Ohio, Tennessee and Nevada, and we found out just how easy it is for criminals and the mentally ill to walk in and buy guns -- no questions asked.

                Our investigators told the private sellers that they "probably couldn't pass a background check" -- and at that point, the seller should have sent them away. Because even private sellers are prohibited by federal law from selling to those who they have reason to suspect could not pass a background check.

                Instead, 19 out of 30 private sellers made the sale.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by smurf View Post
                  All "gun free zones" do is create a target rich environment.

                  No, America IS special, and unique, and exceptional.

                  Laws don't stop someone who has decided that suicide is the final outcome for his plan.

                  The ONLY thing that stops someone like that is another person with the will and the means to stop him.

                  Pass a hundred more laws - all that it will do is discourage even more law abiding citizens from being able to stop the next nutcase with a death wish scenario.
                  Except that in gun rich America your massacres are out of control which refutes your entire argument.

                  No, the only thing that stops massacres is making sure they never get a gun in the first place. It's a tried tested and true method that works and is currently in place everywhere.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                    Originally posted by Danny View Post
                    Except that in gun rich America your massacres are out of control which refutes your entire argument.

                    No, the only thing that stops massacres is making sure they never get a gun in the first place. It's a tried tested and true method that works and is currently in place everywhere.
                    I presume you have a way to stop criminals from getting guns? If so , please illuminate us.
                    Last edited by CharlesD; 12-28-2012, 01:20 PM.

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                    • #70
                      If there were some data that supported the more guns argument it might be less frustrating to argue. But there just isn't. The countries with the most restrictive laws have the least gun deaths (similar countries).

                      It's like the health care debate all over. How do you argue people who refute basic math?

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                      • #71
                        Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                        Originally posted by smurf View Post
                        All "gun free zones" do is create a target rich environment.

                        No, America IS special, and unique, and exceptional.

                        Laws don't stop someone who has decided that suicide is the final outcome for his plan.

                        The ONLY thing that stops someone like that is another person with the will and the means to stop him.

                        Pass a hundred more laws - all that it will do is discourage even more law abiding citizens from being able to stop the next nutcase with a death wish scenario.
                        I was on assignment in Germany about 25 years ago. I had an ordinance company as a Captain. It was a military Light Equipment Maintenance Company with about 40 local nationals working along side the soldiers. We had a fully functional machine shop. One of the things we did in our machine shop was make a 4 cylinder fully functional gasoline engine using a Volks Wagon engine as a model. We also made several operational firearms. One was a revolver which was copied from a S&W .38 special 5 shot revolver. The other was a copy of the P-38 Walther. The fact of the matter is, criminals, if they want to, can make their own guns even if we completely shut down firearms factories and confiscated all the firearms law abiding citizens have. Only a fool thinks we can not put the genie back in the bottle.

                        The only way to stop the criminals is to round up ever gang member, drug thug, wanna be, larcenists, ie criminals in general (like the guy said in Casa Blanca, "round up the usual suspects." I spect we will get a few innocents in the process, but that would be better than someone killing some kids in a school right?

                        Then line them up and execute them all, including those currently in prison.

                        I think that would be a little drastic, but it is the only way it will work.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by CharlesD View Post
                          I presume you have a way to stop criminals from getting guns? Is , please illuminate us.
                          Adopt reasonable gun laws. End of story. Over time less guns in circulation make for less criminals having guns. If you want to address the wider crime/drug problem you are dealing with separate issues. You'd have an illegal gun trafficking market but how about the GOP let Obama nominate an ATF head perhaps? Either way, the mass shooter types aren't criminals to start so you've just done a bunch to prevent the next massacre of children. That is, if people like Rakkasan don't find it too inconvenient to wait a short whole before purchasing am assault rifle.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                            Originally posted by Danny View Post
                            The massacre suspects weren't criminals! Your argument is bogus.
                            Did he have his firearms legally? Or did he steal them from his dead mother after he murdered her? Looks like a criminal to my way of thinking.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                              Originally posted by CharlesD View Post
                              I was on assignment in Germany about 25 years ago. I had an ordinance company as a Captain. It was a military Light Equipment Maintenance Company with about 40 local nationals working along side the soldiers. We had a fully functional machine shop. One of the things we did in our machine shop was make a 4 cylinder fully functional gasoline engine using a Volks Wagon engine as a model. We also made several operational firearms. One was a revolver which was copied from a S&W .38 special 5 shot revolver. The other was a copy of the P-38 Walther. The fact of the matter is, criminals, if they want to, can make their own guns even if we completely shut down firearms factories and confiscated all the firearms law abiding citizens have. Only a fool thinks we can not put the genie back in the bottle.

                              The only way to stop the criminals is to round up ever gang member, drug thug, wanna be, larcenists, ie criminals in general (like the guy said in Casa Blanca, "round up the usual suspects." I spect we will get a few innocents in the process, but that would be better than someone killing some kids in a school right?

                              Then line them up and execute them all, including those currently in prison.

                              I think that would be a little drastic, but it is the only way it will work.
                              That is not only drastic, it is right out of Germany in the 1930's and 40's. Clearly you despise the democratic principles this nation was founded on. When someone believes they are qualified to be judge, jury and executioner, they should never be allowed to touch a BB gun. You just went off the deep end...BIG time.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                                Originally posted by Danny View Post
                                Adopt reasonable gun laws. End of story. Over time less guns in circulation make for less criminals having guns. If you want to address the wider crime/drug problem you are dealing with separate issues. You'd have an illegal gun trafficking market but how about the GOP let Obama nominate an ATF head perhaps? Either way, the mass shooter types aren't criminals to start so you've just done a bunch to prevent the next massacre of children. That is, if people like Rakkasan don't find it too inconvenient to wait a short whole before purchasing am assault rifle.
                                "Reasonable gun laws" means nothing. Describe what you mean. Don't talk around it. What would you do with my shotguns, all of which are used for specific game. What would you do with my semi-automatic 30-06 which I use for large game and a 30-30 for thin skin deer? What would you do about my 22 woodsman colt target pistol or my 9mm German Lugar my uncle took off a dead German officer in WWII?

                                Its not really about buying firearms now is it; its about eliminating the ones in circulation. Every gun control nut I have ever heard eventually gets around to telling us, they'll take a law here, a law there but they won't be satisfied until firearms are only in the hands of the military and the police.

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