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  • #91
    Originally posted by CharlesD View Post
    Looking around I see I am still above ground.
    There is no way to keep all guns out of the hands of criminals. But there are ways to limit it.[/quote]There is? How?Not fear Bfgrn, just awareness of what gun control nuts have said over the years. Until you people recognize and take some of our suggestions about how to stop the problems you will never succeed.All that law will do is make criminals out of millions of here to fore law abiding citizens. I will never allow my guns to be put into a federal or state data base. No way, no how.Never happen! I would do that because I would want it back.I think gun safety and shooting courses are a good idea. I got mine in the army.Not scary Bfgrn, just wise enough to know that your one thing will lead to another, and I will not ever accept such draconian gun control. What guns I have in my house are my business, not yours, not the governments, and if I CHOOSE to tell someone, I will. Otherwise no one else has that right.

    That is the problem with you left wing anti gun nuts, you don't want a simple control, you want to go all the way to a point setting up gun owners for confiscation. None of that will ever become law, so deal with it.[/QUOTE]

    Your argument is don't bother preventing another massacre because it wont become law? That's not exactly a rational argument.

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    • #92
      Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

      It's too late...the slippery slope is here. Better book your final vacation...Banzai Cliff on the Island of Saipan has a great view...

      BREAKING NEWS for government-averse gun owners: It's too late to complain if you've ever registered a car, or have a Social Security number, or send the government your tax returns every year. Guess what? They already have much more on you than they'll ever get from the registration of your gun.

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      • #93
        Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

        Originally posted by Bfgrn View Post
        I have posted this more than once...




        Michael R. Bloomberg
        108th Mayor of the City of New York

        Gun Show Undercover

        Ever wonder how criminals are able to get guns so easily? It's depressingly simple. On any given weekend, at dozens of gun shows held in states across the country -- criminals can buy guns from "private sellers" who are not required to perform background checks.

        The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has identified gun shows as the source of more than 30% of all illegally trafficked guns in the country. Those are the guns most likely to be used in crimes -- and to kill innocent people, including police officers.

        Today, New York City is releasing the results of a multi-state investigation into this activity: "Gun Show Undercover." We sent investigators with hidden cameras to seven gun shows across Ohio, Tennessee and Nevada, and we found out just how easy it is for criminals and the mentally ill to walk in and buy guns -- no questions asked.

        Our investigators told the private sellers that they "probably couldn't pass a background check" -- and at that point, the seller should have sent them away. Because even private sellers are prohibited by federal law from selling to those who they have reason to suspect could not pass a background check.

        Instead, 19 out of 30 private sellers made the sale.

        more

        As I've pointed out elsewhere, these transactions are already illegal. The problem is that BATFE isn't enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Adding another law that BATFE won't enforce will do absolutely nothing to solve the problem.

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        • #94
          Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

          Originally posted by Danny View Post
          There is no way to keep all guns out of the hands of criminals. But there are ways to limit it.
          There is? How?Not fear Bfgrn, just awareness of what gun control nuts have said over the years. Until you people recognize and take some of our suggestions about how to stop the problems you will never succeed.All that law will do is make criminals out of millions of here to fore law abiding citizens. I will never allow my guns to be put into a federal or state data base. No way, no how.Never happen! I would do that because I would want it back.I think gun safety and shooting courses are a good idea. I got mine in the army.Not scary Bfgrn, just wise enough to know that your one thing will lead to another, and I will not ever accept such draconian gun control. What guns I have in my house are my business, not yours, not the governments, and if I CHOOSE to tell someone, I will. Otherwise no one else has that right.

          That is the problem with you left wing anti gun nuts, you don't want a simple control, you want to go all the way to a point setting up gun owners for confiscation. None of that will ever become law, so deal with it.

          Your argument is don't bother preventing another massacre because it wont become law? That's not exactly a rational argument.
          My argument, is do something about the criminals because you will never eliminate guns in a culture which created itself using guns. We have had various gun control laws for many years, and not one has helped to prevent school massacres. In addition smart ass remarks by gun control nuts like you doesn't help either. You didn't respond to what I said about bring firearms into your country. Why not?

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          • #95
            Originally posted by CharlesD View Post
            There is? How?Not fear Bfgrn, just awareness of what gun control nuts have said over the years. Until you people recognize and take some of our suggestions about how to stop the problems you will never succeed.All that law will do is make criminals out of millions of here to fore law abiding citizens. I will never allow my guns to be put into a federal or state data base. No way, no how.Never happen! I would do that because I would want it back.I think gun safety and shooting courses are a good idea. I got mine in the army.Not scary Bfgrn, just wise enough to know that your one thing will lead to another, and I will not ever accept such draconian gun control. What guns I have in my house are my business, not yours, not the governments, and if I CHOOSE to tell someone, I will. Otherwise no one else has that right.

            That is the problem with you left wing anti gun nuts, you don't want a simple control, you want to go all the way to a point setting up gun owners for confiscation. None of that will ever become law, so deal with it.My argument, is do something about the criminals because you will never eliminate guns in a culture which created itself using guns. We have had various gun control laws for many years, and not one has helped to prevent school massacres. In addition smart ass remarks by gun control nuts like you doesn't help either. You didn't respond to what I said about bring firearms into your country. Why not?
            I didn't respond because you are not making any sense. You are making my own argument for me! Many guns are legal and just fine. We just make them harder to get so psychos are less likely to get them. Would be criminals dont have records so your whole criminal focus won't work.

            How about my questions: why does America have more gun violence with the least strict gun laws? Why have other countries solve this problem with more gun laws?

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            • #96
              Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

              Originally posted by Danny View Post
              I didn't respond because you are not making any sense. You are making my own argument for me! Many guns are legal and just fine. We just make them harder to get so psychos are less likely to get them. Would be criminals dont have records so your whole criminal focus won't work.

              How about my questions: why does America have more gun violence with the least strict gun laws? Why have other countries solve this problem with more gun laws?
              I haven't gotten into this discussion because I don't have too many dogs in the hunt. But some of the things you said in your discussion don't make sense. I read where the dude told you he brought firearms into your country. Firearms which could do the same thing which occurred in Sandyhook school. You did not respond until he asked you, then you made a nothing response.

              It seems that your solution to gun violence is to reduce the number of guns in circulation. That would obviate the need to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens because criminals are not going to turn them in just because you passed some chicken shit laws. That won't work, not until someone has the political power to force a change to the US constitution. More than half of US citizens want firearms to remain legal. Some of that group will accept some form of gun control. Few will accept such rigid laws as Washington D. C. had before the USSC shot down their ban of many or most firearms.

              I see the situation as a Mexican standoff that neither side can win, yet both sides claim to want to reduce the violence. I did see one person who was for keeping more accessible records on all criminals of all stripes and all mentally ill people. The key word here is accessible. If I own a firearm, and I want to sell it, I as a private citizen should have ready access to all criminal and mentally ill records. Some see that as invading privacy. It appears that some people are more concerned about invading the privacy of criminals and the mentally ill than preventing the murder of children. One of those laws seems to come up in Law and Order: SVU almost every other week. Detective goes to psychiatrists offices and asks about a mental patient. Doctor refuses to give it out because if violates the persons privacy. Certainly that privacy is not as important as preventing the murder of children, right?

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              • #97
                Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                Originally posted by CharlesD View Post
                There is? How?Not fear Bfgrn, just awareness of what gun control nuts have said over the years. Until you people recognize and take some of our suggestions about how to stop the problems you will never succeed.All that law will do is make criminals out of millions of here to fore law abiding citizens. I will never allow my guns to be put into a federal or state data base. No way, no how.Never happen! I would do that because I would want it back.I think gun safety and shooting courses are a good idea. I got mine in the army.Not scary Bfgrn, just wise enough to know that your one thing will lead to another, and I will not ever accept such draconian gun control. What guns I have in my house are my business, not yours, not the governments, and if I CHOOSE to tell someone, I will. Otherwise no one else has that right.

                That is the problem with you left wing anti gun nuts, you don't want a simple control, you want to go all the way to a point setting up gun owners for confiscation. None of that will ever become law, so deal with it.My argument, is do something about the criminals because you will never eliminate guns in a culture which created itself using guns. We have had various gun control laws for many years, and not one has helped to prevent school massacres. In addition smart ass remarks by gun control nuts like you doesn't help either. You didn't respond to what I said about bring firearms into your country. Why not?
                You don't even know who you are talking to. Fear will do that...

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                • #98
                  Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                  Originally posted by Bfgrn View Post


                  You don't even know who you are talking to. Fear will do that...
                  I do know I was talking to a left wing anti gun nut from Canada who didn't format out part of a response to you. That is good enough for me.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                    Originally posted by CharlesD View Post
                    I will never allow my guns to be put into a federal or state data base. No way, no how.Never happen!
                    I hope you realize that, by typing those words on the internet, you have just informed the federal government about your guns.

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                    • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                      Originally posted by Danny View Post
                      I didn't respond because you are not making any sense. You are making my own argument for me! Many guns are legal and just fine. We just make them harder to get so psychos are less likely to get them. Would be criminals dont have records so your whole criminal focus won't work.

                      How about my questions: why does America have more gun violence with the least strict gun laws? Why have other countries solve this problem with more gun laws?
                      Will Banning Guns Stop Homicides? Stats from England and Australia Show…

                      And what about the argument most often made by the Left quoting the success of oppressive gun laws in countries like Australia and England? A recent opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal by Joyce Lee Malcolm shows that argument to be hollow: “After a school massacre, the U.K. banned handguns in 1998. A decade later, handgun crime has doubled.”

                      Malcom’s article details what happened after Australia banned many guns following a 1996 mass murder of 35 people by a madman with assault rifles. The country tightened registration laws, banned assault rifles, pump-action shotguns, and also forced a buy back of more than 600,000 guns. What effect did this have on crime?

                      “A 2003 study published by the Brookings Institution, found homicides “continued a modest decline” since 1997. They concluded that the impact of the National Firearms Agreement was “relatively small,” with the daily rate of firearms homicides declining 3.2%.”

                      During the same period in America, deaths attributed to firearms dropped by nearly ten times the decline seen in Australia. Restricting or confiscating handguns seems to have had almost no effect on homicides in Australia and the stats also show that the law had no real effect on suicides.
                      Will Banning Guns Stop Homicides? Stats from England and Australia Show… | TheBlaze.com

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                      • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                        In other words, just like other gun control freaks, you want to punish the innocent because you can't stop the guilty. Totally asinine! My guns and I have never killed anyone (though I've had to pull one which served as a great equalizer) and yet, you want your nanny to know when law abiding citizens purchase a gun. How many times do you people have to be told....LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS AREN'T CRIMINALS SO QUIT TRYING TO PUNISH US.

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                        • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                          Originally posted by Mrs. M View Post
                          In other words, just like other gun control freaks, you want to punish the innocent because you can't stop the guilty. Totally asinine! My guns and I have never killed anyone (though I've had to pull one which served as a great equalizer) and yet, you want your nanny to know when law abiding citizens purchase a gun. How many times do you people have to be told....LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS AREN'T CRIMINALS SO QUIT TRYING TO PUNISH US.
                          I am a gun owner, but I am not sure I understand how gun registration constitutes punishment; after all, I am also a car owner, and it never occurred to me that registering my car was a form of punishment.

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                          • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                            Originally posted by Danny View Post
                            I didn't respond because you are not making any sense. You are making my own argument for me! Many guns are legal and just fine. We just make them harder to get so psychos are less likely to get them. Would be criminals dont have records so your whole criminal focus won't work.

                            How about my questions: why does America have more gun violence with the least strict gun laws? Why have other countries solve this problem with more gun laws?
                            Some Facts:
                            More guns tend to mean more homicide.

                            mass-shooting-legally.jpg

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                            • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                              Originally posted by AdamKadmon View Post
                              I am a gun owner, but I am not sure I understand how gun registration constitutes punishment; after all, I am also a car owner, and it never occurred to me that registering my car was a form of punishment.
                              We have a number of people, including powerful politicians, who want to take all guns away from the people. Registration is the first step towards confiscation. There is no significant number of people who want to take your car.

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                              • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                                Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
                                Some Facts:
                                More guns tend to mean more homicide.

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                                More cars means more vehicular deaths. Should we limit the number of cars. More children means more children deaths, does that mean we should limit children? More people means more deaths. Guess we should limit people.

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