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  • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

    Originally posted by Mrs. M View Post
    "Routinely carry" my gun in public? Where did I say that? 99.9% of the time, it is in my house or my car, neither which is public. It's like this, first we gave them the okay for background checks, now, they want registration...what will it be next? Limits one the number of guns? Limits on the amount of ammo? Confiscation? Why should I be made to jump through hoops to buy a gun????? That's the punishment! The idiots are going after the wrong freaking people and they are just way too stupid to understand that.
    You actually said house (private), car (driven in public) and purse (carried in public). But if you are carrying your gun in public, you presumably obtained a permit from the government to do so, right? Was that a form of punishment? What about background checks? Punishment?

    Honestly, I understand oldman's rationale for opposing registration, paranoid (not to mention naive) though it may be; however, given the minimal burden involved in registering a firearm, it strikes me as a stretch to call it a punishment.

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    • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
      We have a number of people, including powerful politicians, who want to take all guns away from the people. Registration is the first step towards confiscation. There is no significant number of people who want to take your car.
      I agree and we don't agree very often on much of anything. There are certainly some people, including a few politicians who would like to disarm america's citizens. Let's just hope they remain in the minority.

      The gun registration deal I think is inevitable, but mostly because the gov't wants to know everything about everyone these days as they have nifty ways to store and access that info with modern tech. And IMO, the more the gov't knows about its people, the more potentially dangerous that gov't becomes to its people. Gov't can be trusted I think, just not ours in these crazy ass times. I remember when people did trust their gov't, and our attitudes were so different in those days.

      But I don't think registration will lead to confiscation in our case, as the 2nd amendment presents a great hindrance to actually doing that. But you know back in the wild west, in interest of stopping the killings that often came with young men, booze and gambling, the town sheriff would confiscate the guns of those cowpokes and would let em pick em up when they left town. So we have already had some gun control early on in our history and no one took it to court as breaking the 2nd amendment. Those cowpokes still had the right to own their guns, they just couldn't possess them while in town.

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      • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

        Originally posted by Danny View Post
        Actually I don't recall anyone anywhere proposing to confiscate any guns. Even the military assault riffles. Can u point me to a politician who has?

        Reasonable can start with not allowing 40% of all firearm purchases without a background check? Banning future sales of military assault riffles. National database. No online sales. The list goes on and you'll note that none of these would affect any of your guns.
        Where to begin.

        Why would you want to make yourself look so foolish by quoting that idiotic "40%" number? Do you REALLY believe that 2 out of every 5 firearms in America are purchased without a background check?

        Do you understand what a "military assault rifle" is? Here's a hint: none of the high profile shootings in America have used one.

        Piss on your "national database" idea. The government already has too much power, and it would never work, anyway.

        "No online sales"? Really? Do you understand (clearly not) that purchasing a firearm from a dealer over the internet, also must involve a local dealer with a FFL to perform the required background check?

        I'm sure that "the list" does "go on and on", and obviously all that it would do is restrict lawful gun owners' rights, cost billions of dollars to implement, and not do a thing to stop the next mass shooting.

        By the way, how would any of your little suggestions stopped Adam Lanza?

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        • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
          The right to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged.


          a·bridge
          [uh-brij]
          verb (used with object), a·bridged, a·bridg·ing.
          1.
          to shorten by omissions while retaining the basic contents: to abridge a reference book.
          2.
          to reduce or lessen in duration, scope, authority, etc.; diminish; curtail: to abridge a visit; to abridge one's freedom.
          3.
          to deprive; cut off.
          So the government should be allowed to take a grenade launcher or SAM Missile laucher off you?

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          • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

            Originally posted by Danny View Post
            Do you want dead kids in a classroom or do you want a slight inconvenience when buying an assault weapon.? Seems straightforward.
            Eh, so the Sandy Hook shooter's mom would not have been able to get guns if only she had to pass an inconvenient background check? Or would it have prevented her son from killing her and taking her guns? Do explain your logic.
            Last edited by Slon; 12-28-2012, 07:05 PM.

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            • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

              Originally posted by ericams2786 View Post
              Connecticut already had an "assault weapons" ban AND the school was a gun free zone. But lookey what happened anyway.
              How many mass killings (via shooting) do we get at gun shows? Shooting ranges?

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              • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                Originally posted by AdamKadmon View Post
                I am a gun owner, but I am not sure I understand how gun registration constitutes punishment; after all, I am also a car owner, and it never occurred to me that registering my car was a form of punishment.
                Once they have your gun registered, and they start taxing your ownership of the gun, it will become clearer. Also, are you really that trusting of the government? You seem to be far too intelligent to be that naive.

                The registration of your car is simply so that they may tax you, over and over again.

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                • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                  Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
                  As I said before these kids are not victims but soldiers for continued gun policy in the US.
                  You mean the continued gun BAN policy? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the school was a gun free zone. You want the rest of the US to be as safe as Sandy Hook?

                  The US has the gun ownership rate (88%) double that of any other country in the world. Yeman a country of tribal fighting is next closest to you.
                  Most countries have ownership around 10%...
                  Sandy Hook had a 0% gun possession rate for a while.

                  What reason has some one to own a semi automatic weapon?
                  Why the need for magazines over 5 bullets?
                  In case I miss 5 times in a row and still need to defend myself.

                  Why do I have to justify it to you? Why do you need a TV over 5 inches? Do we really NEED 90% of the shit we own? Let's ban everything except the bare necessities.

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                  • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                    Originally posted by Mrs. M View Post
                    Why the need for magazines over 5 bullets? No need in particular but it's nice to know that if I need more than five shots, I have them with my .380. My .357 only holds 5 rounds but I figure that even if I miss with first few shots (which would be rare), the report would scare the hell out of anyone wishing to harm me or enter my house.
                    So would you agree to a limit to magazine size?

                    At some point the magazine size goes from self defense to protect from 1 or 2 intruders to an offensive weapon to kill multiple targets.

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                    • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                      Originally posted by AdamKadmon View Post
                      You actually said house (private), car (driven in public) and purse (carried in public). But if you are carrying your gun in public, you presumably obtained a permit from the government to do so, right? Was that a form of punishment? What about background checks? Punishment?

                      Honestly, I understand oldman's rationale for opposing registration, paranoid (not to mention naive) though it may be; however, given the minimal burden involved in registering a firearm, it strikes me as a stretch to call it a punishment.
                      I think we should have you register with the federal government for every post you make here. By paper mail. Oh, and don't forget your fingerprints.

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                      • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                        Originally posted by AdamKadmon View Post
                        Instead of using the rather slippery standard of a private seller's belief about whether the buyer could pass a background check (why, exactly, would we expect them to be able to make an accurate determination?) shouldn't we just cut out the guesswork and perform a background check?
                        No.

                        As another poster showed earlier, most of the guns used in mass shootings over the last 30 years were obtained legally. Background checks are just more feel good legislation that costs lots of money, and does next to nothing to keep guns from the hands of criminals.

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                        • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                          Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
                          So would you agree to a limit to magazine size?

                          At some point the magazine size goes from self defense to protect from 1 or 2 intruders to an offensive weapon to kill multiple targets.
                          I was going to post a traditional reply arguing against the faulty logic in your post, but instead I'll post this:

                          Defending yourself from 2 intruders often requires killing multiple targets (the 2 intruders). So you kind of made my point for me. The same large magazine size can be used for self defense and killing multiple targets. Thanks.

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                          • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                            Originally posted by Bfgrn View Post
                            Charles, the more you keep talking, the more you bury yourself. There is no way to keep all guns out of the hands of criminals. But there are ways to limit it. As long as gun advocates subscribe to the paranoid slippery slope, there is no logic or reason that can overcome that sheer emotionalism and unrealistic fear.

                            ALL guns should be registered. I even believe it should be a federal law with no exceptions. If you sell a gun to your brother, or give a gun to your brother, it should be registered, recorded and kept in a national data base. If your gun is stolen, you must notify the authorities immediately. You should be required to complete a gun safety course to own a gun.

                            If that is too scary for you, so be it.
                            I think you should have to register each and every one of your posts with the federal government. If you edit a post, you need to inform them immediately. Oh, and before you post, you should pass a first amendment safety course.

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                            • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                              Originally posted by Slon View Post
                              You mean the continued gun BAN policy? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the school was a gun free zone. You want the rest of the US to be as safe as Sandy Hook?Sandy Hook had a 0% gun possession rate for a while.
                              How about the European Gun Policy where homicide by firearm is 90 times lower than the US.
                              How does the UK have it 90 times lower?
                              Are you going for the cultural thing? The UK have strict gun laws, simple as... In UK and Ireland we don't see guns often...
                              Gun ownership in England and Wales is less than a tenth of US.
                              If the US had a UK homicide by firearm rate (per 100,000) then 12,000 lives a year would be saved. That is all US casualties in Iraq, Afganistan and 911 in 9 months...
                              I am not saying get rid of guns, just can you justify the cost.
                              Originally posted by Slon View Post

                              In case I miss 5 times in a row and still need to defend myself.
                              You have shot five times so one of two things have happened the person you are shooting at
                              1) Runs away
                              2) Returns fire and kills you

                              Originally posted by Slon View Post
                              Why do I have to justify it to you? Why do you need a TV over 5 inches? Do we really NEED 90% of the shit we own? Let's ban everything except the bare necessities.
                              Cause the TV doesn't have collateral damage.. These guns do(as pointed out earlier)...

                              Gun deaths in America projected to soon top car fatalities - Americas - World - The Independent

                              People need cars and to drive you need a licence because you could hurt yourself or others.

                              So do you agree that 12,000 people die a year for American freedom on gun ownership....

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                              • Re: Here it comes - federal registration of gun owners

                                Originally posted by Slon View Post
                                I was going to post a traditional reply arguing against the faulty logic in your post, but instead I'll post this:

                                Defending yourself from 2 intruders often requires killing multiple targets (the 2 intruders). So you kind of made my point for me. The same large magazine size can be used for self defense and killing multiple targets. Thanks.
                                How big a magazine?

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