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  • Gun violence: post YOUR solution

    I tried this once before, but it generated comparatively little productive discussion. Maybe we can keep it from getting bogged down with the usual personal invective, claims that all gun owners are afraid, and other such bullshit.

    Here's how I would approach the problem if I had legislative powers:

    1. Require all transfers to go through a licensed FFL on a 4473, with the usual background check.
    2. Increase the penalty for - and actually enforce - the laws on possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. Convicted violent felon caught with a firearm: first offense, mandatory 20 year sentence. Second offense - mandatory 40 year sentence.
    3. End the "war on drugs". The illicit drug trade accounts for a large portion of the violence in the US.
    4. Get the non-violent drug offenders out of prisons to make room for violent offenders.
    5. Draconian sentencing for violent felons. Murder, attempted murder, rape, armed robbery? One strike and you're out. No slap on the wrist sentencing, no probation. Prison.

    That's where I would start. Feel free to rip into it all you want - AFTER you post YOUR OWN proposal.

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    I can't quite get behind #1, it'll turn in to a national gun registry. 2-5 are good, I'd also like to see less emphasis on rehabilitation and more on punishment in the prison system.

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      Re: Gun violence: post YOUR solution

      I'm glad you posted this as i wasn't sure which one of the various gun threads to put my suggestion in. But is pretty simple and addresses the one part of the gun issue that no-one ever seems to mention: punishment.

      When the framers wrote our constitution things were different. Detterents were actually effective because they were followed through. So like in death penalty states people know you will get the needle for killing someone, we need to go back to the way the founders thought about things. No free pass for cruel and unusual, the bastards need to be taken into the public square and hung.

      Now granted it doesn't have to be quite so choregraphed, entertaining and enjoyable as all that but we need to execute people more, have more of a punishment for those who break the law and make sure those who are given "life" are never actually let it. We keep criminals behind bars, it'd solve a lot of th gun and quite a few other problems.

      Don't let people out for deth related crimes, if you don't execute them make sure life means life. Never ever let a violent felon legally own a gun, never let people get a free pass for their crimes for their skin color and or various bleeding heart calls of mitigating circumstances unless they are involving life based scenarios and fuck it increase the mandatories on minimum sentencing where plea deals are not involved for multitudes of crimes.

      We have various problems in scoiety. Not all are as easily solved as the criminal problem we face because we can't really justify terminating any other individuls as easily as we can the vermin that break the law and make hell for th rest of us.

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        Re: Gun violence: post YOUR solution

        Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post
        I can't quite get behind #1, it'll turn in to a national gun registry. 2-5 are good, I'd also like to see less emphasis on rehabilitation and more on punishment in the prison system.
        Absolutely.

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        • #5
          Re: Gun violence: post YOUR solution

          1) Enforce the laws we already have
          2) Severely punish the offenders -- public executions are welcome.
          3) Goto #1, Repeat

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            It would be somewhat ironic and fitting if they were toasted by firing squad...

            The last one was by the Utah Governor a while back.

            Apparentlyhe announced it on Facebook so that drew some controversy but if it was to draw attention to the fact he did order a firing squad to execute the criminal in question then good on him i guess.

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              Re: Gun violence: post YOUR solution

              Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
              I tried this once before, but it generated comparatively little productive discussion. Maybe we can keep it from getting bogged down with the usual personal invective, claims that all gun owners are afraid, and other such bullshit.

              Here's how I would approach the problem if I had legislative powers:

              1. Require all transfers to go through a licensed FFL on a 4473, with the usual background check.
              2. Increase the penalty for - and actually enforce - the laws on possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. Convicted violent felon caught with a firearm: first offense, mandatory 20 year sentence. Second offense - mandatory 40 year sentence.
              3. End the "war on drugs". The illicit drug trade accounts for a large portion of the violence in the US.
              4. Get the non-violent drug offenders out of prisons to make room for violent offenders.
              5. Draconian sentencing for violent felons. Murder, attempted murder, rape, armed robbery? One strike and you're out. No slap on the wrist sentencing, no probation. Prison.

              That's where I would start. Feel free to rip into it all you want - AFTER you post YOUR OWN proposal.
              I'm on board with those myself. I'd also borrow at least some of Obama's executive orders relating to examination and redress of root causes of gun crime so we go after the source besides result as well as better enforcement of laws already on the books. I'd add punitive and regulatory sanctions against irresponsible design and marketing of weapons by unscrupulous manufacturers (e.g., the Tech 9 issue that gun grabbers cited to get a far more grabby ban in place in the 90s) that appeal to criminals and extremists rather than legitimate usage. I'd focus on cleaning up the terrorist watch list and apply it once more reliable with due process for appeals. I'd clean up the red tape and inconsistencies in our laws regarding medical reporting and get a disqualification list for truly mentally unfit people going because right now it's a total mess of a situation along with an appeals process for due process. I'd focus on getting disqualification lists better online for law enforcement and legitimate business and private transaction and transference.
              Last edited by O'Sullivan Bere; 01-30-2013, 04:53 PM.

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                Re: Gun violence: post YOUR solution

                Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
                I tried this once before, but it generated comparatively little productive discussion. Maybe we can keep it from getting bogged down with the usual personal invective, claims that all gun owners are afraid, and other such bullshit.

                Here's how I would approach the problem if I had legislative powers:

                1. Require all transfers to go through a licensed FFL on a 4473, with the usual background check.
                2. Increase the penalty for - and actually enforce - the laws on possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. Convicted violent felon caught with a firearm: first offense, mandatory 20 year sentence. Second offense - mandatory 40 year sentence.
                3. End the "war on drugs". The illicit drug trade accounts for a large portion of the violence in the US.
                4. Get the non-violent drug offenders out of prisons to make room for violent offenders.
                5. Draconian sentencing for violent felons. Murder, attempted murder, rape, armed robbery? One strike and you're out. No slap on the wrist sentencing, no probation. Prison.

                That's where I would start. Feel free to rip into it all you want - AFTER you post YOUR OWN proposal.
                All B.S.

                Require gun training for everyone... starting with gun safety in Kindergarten up through safety and marksmanship in High School.

                At the conclusion of this training issue everyone a government owned gun. Each gun is owned by the government but is the responsibility of the person to whom it was issued. Along with the gun issues 20 rounds of ammo.

                Every year every person would be required to report, with their gun and 20 rounds of ammo to a government training facility where their gun will be verified inspected, and they would be tested on it care and use. Last years ammo would be used for the testing and having passed, 20 more rounds would be issued to them.

                It would be legal for anyone and everyone to carry at all times, and would be looked upon as doing one's civic duty to have it available. Of course each person would be held accountable for their gun... first to take care of it, keep it from being taken, keep it clean and in good working order, and to not use it irresponsibly.

                You lose your gun, and your right to own and carry one if you are convicted of a felony, have been found to be not taking care of it or acting irresponsibly with it or if you are determined to be unfit by a judge. You can see just what a disadvantage you'd be under if you were one of 20 million people without a gun in a 'sea' of 300 million gun owners.

                An armed society is a polite society...

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                • #9
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                  i also like the procedure in Japan;
                  Yes, but the Japanese are an honorable people. That is why it works with their system. They have the death penalty but execute like a dozen people a year.

                  They don't have the trash we do.

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                    Re: Gun violence: post YOUR solution

                    Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                    All B.S.

                    Require gun training for everyone... starting with gun safety in Kindergarten up through safety and marksmanship in High School.

                    At the conclusion of this training issue everyone a government owned gun. Each gun is owned by the government but is the responsibility of the person to whom it was issued. Along with the gun issues 20 rounds of ammo.

                    Every year every person would be required to report, with their gun and 20 rounds of ammo to a government training facility where their gun will be verified inspected, and they would be tested on it care and use. Last years ammo would be used for the testing and having passed, 20 more rounds would be issued to them.

                    It would be legal for anyone and everyone to carry at all times, and would be looked upon as doing one's civic duty to have it available. Of course each person would be held accountable for their gun... first to take care of it, keep it from being taken, keep it clean and in good working order, and to not use it irresponsibly.

                    You lose your gun, and your right to own and carry one if you are convicted of a felony, have been found to be not taking care of it or acting irresponsibly with it or if you are determined to be unfit by a judge. You can see just what a disadvantage you'd be under if you were one of 20 million people without a gun in a 'sea' of 300 million gun owners.

                    An armed society is a polite society...
                    I like it. Can you imagine the government's reaction to the realization that there is a population that they represent, who's money they are spending, all of whom know how to use a weapon, take care of a weapon, and be a marksman with a weapon? I have a feeling there would allot less BS in state legislatures as well as the federal legislature.

                    Cool. Bring it on!
                    Last edited by eohrnberger; 01-30-2013, 05:26 PM.

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                      Re: Gun violence: post YOUR solution

                      Ban guns.

                      Issue these instead.

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                        Re: Gun violence: post YOUR solution

                        Originally posted by Traveler View Post
                        Yes, but the Japanese are an honorable people. That is why it works with their system. They have the death penalty but execute like a dozen people a year.

                        They don't have the trash we do.
                        Again, the difference is the morality of the people. I spent a year in Thailand. During that year there was only one murder in the region I was at. They took the guy to the local gravel pit, sat him on a stool and used him for target practice. Anyone in the area was free to watch.

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                          Thailand is hardly the bastian of morality though. I do agree on principle but i don't think pointing to a country with the issues they have on child sex and pedophilia is the best example you could have picked...

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                            Re: Gun violence: post YOUR solution

                            Do away with gun free zones.

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                              Okay so to explain a bit further into this Dan, this was a post i did want to reply to but thought it wise to avert the race argument at the time:

                              http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/inte...ml#post1872752

                              Or well to be honest Chass thought it wiser to avert the discussion but Speak is fundamentally right. Japanese people don't go rioting and looting the shit out of a place after storms, the way blacks did after Katrina and the only thing missing from what he said was the color aspect. But it is something we do have to address as the other part of gun violence. I mean what else is so prevelant in Chicago and DC and a major driver behind the gang and drug related violence?

                              At the time i did consider replying to that post with something to the effect of "Yeah but only because they don't have any blacks in Japan the way they do in the South" but that portrys the problem as being because of the demographics and that isn't so much it. Black leaders like Sharpton and Jackson sure love a soapbox to have their hysteric rants about whatver suits their agenda for the day but it'd be nice to see one of them take a Cosby style approach and tell black youths that being in gangs is pretty fucked up, rapping about AK's and what not is kind of stupid given none of them will ever own one lgally, boasting about gangbanging is rather juvenile but even more stupid given that you're probably the one who got assbanged to start with and guess what, a majority of the people who actually suffer from gang relted violence in places like Chicago and DC happen to actually be black.

                              If they step up, like say Nutter did in Philly, and the way Booker does in NJ, it'd help.

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