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  • Why are military bases "Gun Free Zones"?

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/02...ed-at-ft-hood/

    It has happened again at Ft. Hood. A crazy person took a gun and shot at people who are almost guaranteed to be unarmed. The sad part is that these are the people we use to protect America. Can't everyone agree that the 2nd Amendment should apply to our military. I can understand not issuing a sidearm to every 18 year old who enlists to carry on post. Everyone E-5 and above have more than proven their level of maturity and responsibility and should be allowed to carry in public areas of the base.

    This is the second similar story this month.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/u-s-...merican-troops

    Any comments?

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    Re: Why are military bases &quot;Gun Free Zones&quot;?

    It's an Obama world...

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    • #3
      Re: Why are military bases &quot;Gun Free Zones&quot;?

      Maybe because good guys with guns don't (and have never) stopped mass shootings?

      It comes down to this: arming everyone guarantees bad guys have guns and shootings will happen. This is essentially your status quo now. Restricting firearms to Canada's level (or Autralia's or the UK's) guarantees most bad guys won't get guns and most shootings won't ever happen. There is no simpler way to put it.

      But hey, 'Merica right?

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        Re: Why are military bases &quot;Gun Free Zones&quot;?

        It does seem curious that military bases are gun free zones given the job they do.
        I don't like guns but of all the people I'd imagine should be able to handle them it's the military.

        I know they are gun free in the UK but I assumed that was just to follow our gun laws.
        I'm assuming guns are available on bases but locked in an armoury?

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        • #5
          Re: Why are military bases &quot;Gun Free Zones&quot;?

          Originally posted by Danny View Post
          Maybe because good guys with guns don't (and have never) stopped mass shootings?

          It comes down to this: arming everyone guarantees bad guys have guns and shootings will happen. This is essentially your status quo now. Restricting firearms to Canada's level (or Autralia's or the UK's) guarantees most bad guys won't get guns and most shootings won't ever happen. There is no simpler way to put it.

          But hey, 'Merica right?
          Ummmm... right as usual Danny:

          canada-courthouse-shooting

          From yesterday...

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          • #6
            Re: Why are military bases &quot;Gun Free Zones&quot;?

            Originally posted by tsquare View Post
            Ummmm... right as usual Danny:

            canada-courthouse-shooting

            From yesterday...
            The impression I get is that gun fee zone in that instance refers to members of the general public coming on the base. With as many military bases as I've been on in my life time, I've never seen one where the base personell at large was walking around armed. And thus far, the shooting happened in a work environment, so we're not yet sure who was shot (outside of the shooter) and who the shooter was.

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              Re: Why are military bases &quot;Gun Free Zones&quot;?

              Originally posted by Danny View Post
              Maybe because good guys with guns don't (and have never) stopped mass shootings?
              What world are you living in? The presence of good guys with guns always reduces the number of victims in a shooting incident. I mean, it doesn't even make logical sense to say what you just wrote. Who do you call when something like this is happening? The police. Who are the police? Good guys with guns...

              For further irony...military posts actually DO have heavy restrictions on personally owned weapons. More so than actual civilians living in the various states. So....using your logic of more gun restrictions = better, this should not have happened.

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              • #8
                Re: Why are military bases &quot;Gun Free Zones&quot;?

                Originally posted by Danny View Post
                Maybe because good guys with guns don't (and have never) stopped mass shootings?
                Then how, pray tell, do they stop?

                Besides the natural limit of how much ammo a gunman can carry.

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                  Re: Why are military bases &quot;Gun Free Zones&quot;?

                  Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                  It does seem curious that military bases are gun free zones given the job they do.
                  I don't like guns but of all the people I'd imagine should be able to handle them it's the military.

                  I know they are gun free in the UK but I assumed that was just to follow our gun laws.
                  I'm assuming guns are available on bases but locked in an armoury?
                  Peter,

                  Yes, they are locked up in the armories.

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                    Re: Why are military bases &quot;Gun Free Zones&quot;?

                    Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                    Ummmm... right as usual Danny:

                    canada-courthouse-shooting

                    From yesterday...
                    The police stopped this, not some civilian with a gun.

                    Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
                    What world are you living in? The presence of good guys with guns always reduces the number of victims in a shooting incident. I mean, it doesn't even make logical sense to say what you just wrote. Who do you call when something like this is happening? The police. Who are the police? Good guys with guns...
                    "Good guys with guns" are civilians with guns. They never stop mass shootings from happening. There has never been any debate over weather police should carry guns. Where the heck did you get this from? Police should always carry guns.

                    Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
                    For further irony...military posts actually DO have heavy restrictions on personally owned weapons. More so than actual civilians living in the various states. So....using your logic of more gun restrictions = better, this should not have happened.
                    It's incredible to me how the right makes silly arguments about "gun free zones". The more gun restrictions = better applies to the population of the entire country.

                    Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                    Then how, pray tell, do they stop?

                    Besides the natural limit of how much ammo a gunman can carry.
                    They stop before they begin by enacting reasonable gun laws so bad people never get their hands on a gun. Heaven forbid you need to undergo a background check.

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                      Re: Why are military bases &quot;Gun Free Zones&quot;?

                      Originally posted by Danny View Post
                      The police stopped this, not some civilian with a gun.



                      "Good guys with guns" are civilians with guns. They never stop mass shootings from happening. There has never been any debate over weather police should carry guns. Where the heck did you get this from? Police should always carry guns.

                      It's incredible to me how the right makes silly arguments about "gun free zones". The more gun restrictions = better applies to the population of the entire country.



                      They stop before they begin by enacting reasonable gun laws so bad people never get their hands on a gun. Heaven forbid you need to undergo a background check.
                      Danny,

                      Actually for Ireland (not US) I believe our police should not be armed. We live in an unarmed society. We as far as I can remember never had a mass shooting (take out the northern troubles). We simply live our lives with no guns...

                      The police have armed response units but our regular beat cops are not armed. Yes trained to use them but generally never carry, in some special cases they are allowed.

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                        Re: Why are military bases &quot;Gun Free Zones&quot;?

                        Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
                        Danny,

                        Actually for Ireland (not US) I believe our police should not be armed. We live in an unarmed society. We as far as I can remember never had a mass shooting (take out the northern troubles). We simply live our lives with no guns...

                        The police have armed response units but our regular beat cops are not armed. Yes trained to use them but generally never carry, in some special cases they are allowed.
                        As I have said before, if you don't have access to guns, you will resort to something else.

                        Bomb may have exploded in Irish suspect’s face because he forgot to change clocks for Daylight Savings Time

                        A man was admitted to Mater Hospital with serious, but non-life-threatening injuries to his face and upper body, the Belfast Telegraph reported. The police are waiting to interview him.

                        Police reportedly believe a crime gang was behind the attack, but detectives are also investigating whether bombing is linked to an alleged “love triangle,” the Herald reported.
                        http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/04...-savings-time/

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                          Re: Why are military bases &quot;Gun Free Zones&quot;?

                          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                          As I have said before, if you don't have access to guns, you will resort to something else.

                          Bomb may have exploded in Irish suspect’s face because he forgot to change clocks for Daylight Savings Time


                          http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/04...-savings-time/
                          Yeah like a knife attack that kills 0 people for instance. That argument has no bearing nor does any other pro gun argument.

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                            Re: Why are military bases &quot;Gun Free Zones&quot;?

                            Neither to foreigners making anti-gun arguments.

                            Not your country.
                            Not your laws.
                            None of your fucking business.

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                              Re: Why are military bases &quot;Gun Free Zones&quot;?

                              Originally posted by Danny View Post
                              Maybe because good guys with guns don't (and have never) stopped mass shootings?

                              It comes down to this: arming everyone guarantees bad guys have guns and shootings will happen. This is essentially your status quo now. Restricting firearms to Canada's level (or Autralia's or the UK's) guarantees most bad guys won't get guns and most shootings won't ever happen. There is no simpler way to put it.

                              But hey, 'Merica right?
                              http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/c...icle-1.1121161

                              http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/it...ng_690808.html

                              Take your bullshit somewhere else danny

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