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    Saw this on Ron Paul's new website...

    http://patriotrising.com/2014/09/08/...-texas-police/

    ... in regards to how the police there are beginning to address the filming of their actions interacting with citizens. It seems they don't want to be watched by the people they are supposed to protect and serve, instead of search and destroy. Imagine that!!

    So now the cops who are working in the public obviously need their own secrecy. Perhaps public records being classified is the next step.

    Any thought on this? Anyone feel like defending the cops? From the public eye? Should the public be able to scrutinize our police and document their actions, since they are supposed to be our employees? Of course I doubt that they see themselves as our employees, a the politicians really don't see themselves as public servants. I think the word "servant" was used for a damned good reason in the past, when it was coined.

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    Re: Cop Watchers a new trend

    Oh, I just thought up of bringing back an old tune, from my youth, as the theme song for Cop Watching. Sing this to the old ditty of I'm a Girl Watcher...

    I'm a cop watcher, I'm a cop watcher. Watching cops go by, my, my, my. I'm a cop watcher, I'm a cop watcher, here comes one now. Of course the rappers will change it up and add their profanity to make it culturally significant.

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      Re: Cop Watchers a new trend

      We have to watch the police... so much is happening that requires it.

      Officials: Dispute between CHP officer, firefighter an 'isolated incident'

      CHULA VISTA (CBS 8) – Officials from both the California Highway Patrol and Chula Vista Fire Department Wednesday responded to an incident that left a firefighter in handcuffs at an accident site in the South Bay.

      CBS News 8 cameras were rolling around 9:00 p.m. Tuesday when the two got into a dispute over where the fire engine should park while firefighters were responding to the crash that happened north on I-805 between Telegraph Canyon Road and East Orange Avenue.

      According to officials, the officer told firefighters to move three fire engines from the fast lane, and two complied, but one firefighter refused that request and continued giving aid to the crash victims.

      Exclusive video from CBS News 8 shows the CHP officer cuffing the firefighter, identified as Jacob Gregoire, 36, at the scene of the accident. In the background, other fire crews and officers can be seen tending to the victims of the rollover accident.
      Officials: Dispute between CHP officer, firefighter an 'isolated - San Diego, California News Station - KFMB Channel 8 - cbs8.com

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        Re: Cop Watchers a new trend

        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
        Saw this on Ron Paul's new website...

        http://patriotrising.com/2014/09/08/...-texas-police/

        ... in regards to how the police there are beginning to address the filming of their actions interacting with citizens. It seems they don't want to be watched by the people they are supposed to protect and serve, instead of search and destroy. Imagine that!!

        So now the cops who are working in the public obviously need their own secrecy. Perhaps public records being classified is the next step.

        Any thought on this? Anyone feel like defending the cops? From the public eye? Should the public be able to scrutinize our police and document their actions, since they are supposed to be our employees? Of course I doubt that they see themselves as our employees, a the politicians really don't see themselves as public servants. I think the word "servant" was used for a damned good reason in the past, when it was coined.
        No, this is an issue that should concern anyone. There should be no prohibitions of viewing or filming police conduct their work. It should be somewhat of a responsibility of every citizen to watch the watchers. Too many issues arise when power is left unchecked. This is one area that should be codified into law at the national level.

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          Re: Cop Watchers a new trend

          Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
          Yeah...I saw that. The firefighter did the right thing. The large brightly colored truck with flashing lights is placed so to protect the emergency response team and the victims. The idiot police officer should have parked his car right behind that firetruck and turned his lights on as well and help secure the area. But no...he had to be a douche.

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            Re: Cop Watchers a new trend

            Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
            No, this is an issue that should concern anyone. There should be no prohibitions of viewing or filming police conduct their work. It should be somewhat of a responsibility of every citizen to watch the watchers. Too many issues arise when power is left unchecked. This is one area that should be codified into law at the national level.
            Yep.

            Glad I ran upon Paul's new site. Kinda reminds me of the Drudge Report, in the way it's laid out.

            That man is the only politician that I ever trusted. I agree with most of his ideas. I think he has real intelligence, instead of what most consider to be intelligence.

            Back to topic, there is a great need for cop watchers, given this...

            Anyone who has been paying attention is aware that we have a growing domestic terrorism problem here in America.



            And by domestic terrorism, I mean our militarized police departments
            http://patriotrising.com/2014/09/10/...earch-destroy/

            Indeed, uniformed thugs police officers kill more Americans every year than terrorists do. In fact, we are eight times more likely to be killed by a cop than by a “terrorist.”
            I guess the citizen armed with his cell camera is our only protection from this militarized police force, and yet it seems that the police don't like this at all. But most police states have to have their cops to operate in secrecy, away from the eyes of those they swore to protect and to serve.

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              Re: Cop Watchers a new trend

              Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
              This is an example that shows the utter lack of respect for human life, IMO, of the police. The fireman on the other hand does respect it, and his job is to protect it, to save it. The police don't work by that principle, and so they must be watched. Far too many of them by nature are on a ego centered power trip. Which is what attracted them to police work in the first place. Not all of them, but far too many. Add to that the new powers that the war on drugs and terror has given them, and you have a recipe for disaster. At least the trend is to let them know the people they are to protect and serve are now watching them more than ever before.

              Of course, I expect for a new law to make it to the books that you have to be a couple miles away to do you recording and observing.

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                Re: Cop Watchers a new trend

                Any public servant that thinks they shouldnt be filmed while doing their jobs in public should be fired and lose all pensions and benefits as they are clearly frauds.

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                  I'm sure they appreciate it just as much as anyone likes someone who knows and cares nothing about their work looking over their shoulder and critiquing everything they do.

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                    Re: Cop Watchers a new trend

                    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                    This is an example that shows the utter lack of respect for human life, IMO, of the police. The fireman on the other hand does respect it, and his job is to protect it, to save it. The police don't work by that principle, and so they must be watched. Far too many of them by nature are on a ego centered power trip. Which is what attracted them to police work in the first place. Not all of them, but far too many. Add to that the new powers that the war on drugs and terror has given them, and you have a recipe for disaster. At least the trend is to let them know the people they are to protect and serve are now watching them more than ever before.

                    Of course, I expect for a new law to make it to the books that you have to be a couple miles away to do you recording and observing.
                    Even though the story is old and apparently CHP and this fire department have made up, the reality is we have an obligation to record the events around us and that has to include Police action. I've never in my lifetime heard a story of a firefighter arrested for doing his job, but having that recorded made all the difference in that outcome. Personally I think the officer is due some discipline perhaps including loss of job for the implication of abuse of authority.

                    To your point what we are seeing is the development of a Police State mentality where an officer can interrupt an active accident scene to arrest, "detain," a firefighter who broke no law. Truly, no one is off limits now and reason for arrest no longer has to be based on law. That is a huge problem no matter how quickly this case was swept under the table.

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                      Re: Cop Watchers a new trend

                      Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                      I'm sure they appreciate it just as much as anyone likes someone who knows and cares nothing about their work looking over their shoulder and critiquing everything they do.
                      Ive worked at facilities with cameras in the halls and armed guards, you get used to it.
                      Don't want to get caught doing something wrong on camera...don't do something you know to be 'wrong.

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                        Re: Cop Watchers a new trend

                        Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                        Any public servant that thinks they shouldnt be filmed while doing their jobs in public should be fired and lose all pensions and benefits as they are clearly frauds.
                        Perhaps the image that some of the police have of themselves, is different from what it should be? I think authority has that effect upon some people. I recall having a store mgr. years ago that became intoxicated with what power he thought he had over his employees, and basically treated them like crap. Became quite an unbearable fellow. I ran into quite a few of these over the years when I worked as a dist. mgr, worked with managers. One thing being in a position of store mgr, quite another to be in the police of a policeman.

                        Yet it isn't just personal behavior that I am concerned with, but with police policy itself. It just seems if the SC gives these people an inch, they always will try to take a mile, until they get caught and are forced to change. Perhaps the Cop Watchers will help correct this as well. I like sunlight, especially when it comes to men who literally have the power of life and death over a citizen. Serious stuff here.

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                          In our new police state, throwing rocks at cars, and then chunking some at cops can get your ass shot 17 times, by 3 cops as they unload on ya...

                          http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pol...ate/ar-BBhYfl9


                          I just called up my 3rd cousin who retired from police work, and asked him what would they have done in the old days if a citizen was chunking rocks at cars, and then when you tried to arrest him, he threw some at you, and there were 3 cops on scene. He said they would have piled on the guy and threw him in the car, and then took him to jail. He didn't know about this story I linked to.

                          He told me a story that happened in the 60s about a drunk guy who they went to his house to arrest and the guy grabbed his shotgun and threatened them. They never fired a shot, even after he had fired into the air to scare them off. Instead, they surrounded his house and after over an hour, talked him out of it, as he sobered up somewhat. He said that they were trained to never shoot a citizen unless all options failed, and even if it took a long time to get the guy to cooperate. I told him yeah, that is how I remember our local police working when I was young. I then asked him why it had
                          changed so much, and he said that POLICY has changed, and many of our police today are victims of numerous deployments in the middle east, and they have shell shock. Many then go into police work for that is the only job they can find, and are qualified to do these days. So you get unstable men policing the public, which he thought was a very bad idea. But also he didn't agree with the
                          shoot first ask questions later that is prevalent today, even as most officers wear those vests which they did not have when he was policing. Then he said something important...that the citizens years ago would not have accepted the current policing policy, even if police departments demanded to operate as they do today. So, we can only blame ourselves for putting up with it.


                          So, don't be an Ernest T. Bass, and keep your rocks in your pockets. For the cops will empty their handguns on you. And we are not even in Israel, and we are not Palestinians, but obviously we are no different when it comes to chunking rocks at authority figures.

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                            You know what all these stories have in common? Criminals.

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                              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                              You know what all these stories have in common? Criminals.
                              Of course we are talking about criminals, what about the folks who aren't in uniform?

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