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  • #31
    Re: The Internationalizatioin of American Sports, Sadly

    Originally posted by O'Sullivan Bere View Post
    Since you're citing the Franklin Field days, it sounds like you left the area back in the 70s or 80s.

    They installed them during the 90s due to the matches turning into hooligan attractions given the reputation fuelled itself along with booze. As you recall from your days in Philly, it's a pretty intense and tough crowd environment as the poster citing the Santa snowball event pointed out.

    Philly EAGLES fans 101 - YouTube

    By the 90s, that reputation grew upon itself and turned absolutely disgraceful with brawls in the stands, brawls in the parking lot with excessive tailgating, public urination and vomiting and verbal abuse, etc. I was at the game where so many fights broke out on national television that they finally brought in Eagles Court to quash it. It worked, as did better rules on alcohol use, security designs, etc.
    As someone who is supposed to be smart as a moderator, you need to be able to count years and if so, you'd realize that my comment on the Vet was post Franklin Field UofP years.
    We never had to have anti-thug police to protect the players on the field during either the Vet or pre-Vet years nor since then. We Americans at most want to touch, congratulate and get autographs of our heros, regardless or their team on the field.

    And, my wife stupidly but safely attended the super bowl party on Bourbon Street when NO won the Super Bowl, without hardly a better luck next year laughing wish from my fellow Saints fans.

    Since then, there has been a flood of scum crimaliens from outside the states and it shows in neighborhood crimes and just about everywhere including at our sporting events.
    Next, do you even live in the US of A to

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    • #32
      Re: The Internationalizatioin of American Sports, Sadly

      Originally posted by Traveler View Post
      7th inning? I think after the guy at Rangers stadium who took a tumble we're gonna look at revising that further, but for NBA games in Texas there is no restriction at all...(even after that huge brawl between Detroit and Indiana).
      Yes. At Eagles games they'll cut off sales for the open stand areas in the Third Quarter. At any MLS league soccer matches at either PPL Park or at Lincoln Financial Field for big soccer events like an international superclub or the US men's national team, they'll cut off beer sales for open stand areas at the 70th minute. The superbox areas and superbox clubs have open bars or pay bars for the whole event and afterwards but that's because they are easy to police and have attendees in conduct and dress that usually doesn't trigger concerns. You don't see too many brawls up in the superboxes with white collar executive thugs doing a corporate outing and suburban moms with kids.

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      • #33
        Re: The Internationalizatioin of American Sports, Sadly

        That's very true...can't have lobsters flying around all over the place - that could get dangerous.

        I think the Dynamos wanted to restrict alcohol to just half time and that's it - not sure if they got anywhere with that. Since Jerry built the new house of car...i mean the new stadium, Dallas have a similar policy on booze as far as drink goes ; third quarter, exhempting the suite's and VIP's + commentators and media who are at the behest of their employers as to what they do. (Most networks won't allow any of their employees to drink at all while working though).

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        • #34
          Re: The Internationalizatioin of American Sports, Sadly

          Originally posted by merc View Post
          As someone who is supposed to be smart as a moderator, you need to be able to count years and if so, you'd realize that my comment on the Vet was post Franklin Field UofP years.

          We never had to have anti-thug police to protect the players on the field during either the Vet or pre-Vet years nor since then. We Americans at most want to touch, congratulate and get autographs of our heros, regardless or their team on the field.

          And, my wife stupidly but safely attended the super bowl party on Bourbon Street when NO won the Super Bowl, without hardly a better luck next year laughing wish from my fellow Saints fans.

          Since then, there has been a flood of scum crimaliens from outside the states and it shows in neighborhood crimes and just about everywhere including at our sporting events.

          Next, do you even live in the US of A to
          Well not doubting your incredible brilliance Mr Will Hunting, your 'analysis' is just a wee bit flawed.

          You mentioned Franklin Field and usually older Americans are familiar with that venue for sporting events, unless you're a U Penn grad. I said "it sounds like" and not "you must be" a former resident from the 70s and 80s. It does not mean you would not have also known about the Vet given when it was first built.

          That's called an educated guess as to when you lived in or around Philly, not stating a certain fact. Work on the reading comprehension 101 because you're supposed to know basic English.

          That educated guess also comes from the fact that you clearly don't live in Philly now, and more relevant, you have absolutely no clue whatsoever about Eagles Court and its setup, which people who live in the Philly area know perfectly well if they are Eagles fans and have lived in the area during the relevant times it existed.

          You could have also googled the information and easily confirmed it even if you never set foot in Philly your whole life. That you didn't know is actually quite 'un-Philly' of you.

          Yeah, I live outside Philly, graduated with an MBA from St Joe's U, go to many home Eagles games each year, etc. In short, I know what I'm talking about and you ought to do so before talking smack with your trousers down.

          And yeah, like McCaffery, we're from Irish immigrant families in Philly. Like him, I've spent the past number of years working in the courts dealing with 'all-American' yobs, yahoos, druggies, sex offenders, thugs, etc. Unlike immigrants, such 'all-Americans' have the 'right' to be a POS and live here their whole life and plenty exercise that 'right' to do so.
          Last edited by O'Sullivan Bere; 08-22-2011, 01:40 PM.

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          • #35
            Re: The Internationalizatioin of American Sports, Sadly

            Pete, bringing the thunder....

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            • #36
              Re: The Internationalizatioin of American Sports, Sadly

              Originally posted by ThorHammer View Post
              Pete, bringing the thunder....
              Actually, coming from Philly, it's more like Eagle shit

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              • #37
                Re: The Internationalizatioin of American Sports, Sadly

                Originally posted by lutherf View Post
                Actually, coming from Philly, it's more like Eagle shit


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                • #38
                  Re: The Internationalizatioin of American Sports, Sadly

                  Originally posted by O'Sullivan Bere View Post
                  Yeah, I live outside Philly, graduated my MBA from St Joe's U, go to many home Eagles games each year, etc.
                  I guess I should have guessed this since I know you are from PA. But you seem like such a decent person it never occurred to me. I guess it could be worse. You could be a cowboys fan.
                  Sep 25 1:00 PM - you'll want to be there to see our latest standout DE crush Michael Vick for losses all day.

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                  • #39
                    Re: The Internationalizatioin of American Sports, Sadly

                    Oooohhh...see, everyone was up to smacking Pete for being a Phillies fan, i'm pretty sure they're not after you for the Cowboys comment. But worry not - you'll have strong Cowboys haters in your corner like Mrs. M...

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                    • #40
                      Re: The Internationalizatioin of American Sports, Sadly

                      Hey, that's kind of how we Europeans think of you Americans with your gun violence, incarceration rates, and homicides. So just remember the reason you are treated like crap next time you come here. It's not us, it's you!
                      Just joking of course. This just seemed like a weird rant on your part especially since the countries w the most notorious hooligans in Europe have a year round level of violence that pales in comparison to the US. The us has a Heisel stadium disaster every day of the year compared to western europe
                      Originally posted by merc View Post
                      "In the good ole days" I used to read with disdain about other countries where soccer fans rioted and beat each other to death and used to smirk at the prison-like fences teams had to install to keep fans from the players and each other. And I used to feel superior to those non-USA thugs who fight and kill each other over their "Real' (Insert City)" teams.

                      For the most part, American's were able to be fervid fans of their teams without also being thugs and buttholes. It wasn't uncommon for us to cheer frantically for our teams while also clapping for injured players on the other teams or for us to congratulate fans of teams who beat our team. I can remember the time when we held "sportsmanship" above all else when it came to our teams.

                      Unfortunately, those days are seemingly gone. Now, beating an opposing fan to near death is not all that uncommon. And fatally shooting them is happening more and more too. Unfortunately, as the worlds melting pot, we are becoming infused with the world's lack of social politeness and civilization. "Muy Macho" and aggressive and insulting smack talk are the norms now.

                      When it comes to being a sports fan, we are now what we used to abhor. We are the world.

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                      • #41
                        Re: The Internationalizatioin of American Sports, Sadly

                        Originally posted by Traveler View Post
                        That's very true...can't have lobsters flying around all over the place - that could get dangerous.

                        I think the Dynamos wanted to restrict alcohol to just half time and that's it - not sure if they got anywhere with that. Since Jerry built the new house of car...i mean the new stadium, Dallas have a similar policy on booze as far as drink goes ; third quarter, exhempting the suite's and VIP's + commentators and media who are at the behest of their employers as to what they do. (Most networks won't allow any of their employees to drink at all while working though).
                        I was just at the Philadelphia Union match against the Houston Dynamo in Philly at PPL Park last Saturday. The US played Mexico also on August 10 at Lincoln Financial Field and I was there for that...

                        MNT vs. Mexico: Robbie Rogers Goal - Aug. 10, 2011 - YouTube

                        It all went fine. MLS matches run well with fun fans, and so do the international matches, even the Mexicans who tend to be very enthusiastic and fun sports fans at these matches when Mexico plays here. Even outside the stadiums before the matches you can see the fun like here:

                        US Soccer fans clash with Mexican fans outside crew Stadium - YouTube

                        It's all about setting the theme and the security correctly so a few yobs won't ruin it for everyone just trying to have a good time and enjoy the event. They've done a really good job here in recent years with that, and that's certainly so for soccer:

                        Supporters of MLS - (Plus a Few Goals) - YouTube

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                        • #42
                          Re: The Internationalizatioin of American Sports, Sadly

                          Originally posted by timj219 View Post
                          I guess I should have guessed this since I know you are from PA. But you seem like such a decent person it never occurred to me. I guess it could be worse. You could be a cowboys fan.
                          Sep 25 1:00 PM - you'll want to be there to see our latest standout DE crush Michael Vick for losses all day.
                          Ummm...F*.Da.Cowgirls.

                          Hmm, smell the smack talk coming *grins and cracks knuckles*. Got some new nice Pro Bowlers who might spoil your fun this year muahahaha. The Iggles spoil our fun by always coming so close and never winning a Super Bowl. The Pattison Ave. Blue Ballers ought to be the old Philly team name instead of the former Frankford Yellow Jackets. But we'll see.

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                          • #43
                            Re: The Internationalizatioin of American Sports, Sadly

                            Years ago one of my friends dumped a beer on some teenage kid in front of us for waving a terrible towel at the old Cleveland Stadium. The kid's father KO'd him with one punch.

                            1) That's alcohol abuse.

                            2) He deserved it.

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                            • #44
                              Re: The Internationalizatioin of American Sports, Sadly

                              Originally posted by Traveler View Post
                              Oooohhh...see, everyone was up to smacking Pete for being a Phillies fan, i'm pretty sure they're not after you for the Cowboys comment. But worry not - you'll have strong Cowboys haters in your corner like Mrs. M...
                              The Phillies have finally been delivering, though. They won the Series in 2008, won the National League Pennant in 2009 before losing the Series to the New York Steroids and got into the Pennant last year. We picked up deeper pitching and are doing well again this year, although yesterday was a facepalm day blowing the late lead in the 9th and then walking the winning run in for the Nats by a batter hit by a pitch with bases loaded. They're going to be a dynastic team for awhile given their depth.

                              It's actually a good time to be a fan in Philly given is has the longest record of losing in almost everything. The teams here actually play really well right now.

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                              • #45
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                                Lol, New York Steroids. Quite apt.

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