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  • Europes migration crisis

    Also other parts of the world deal with immigration issues, like Europe. Angela Merkel and several other EU leaders have throughout the year consistently said that the main issue for the union this year wont be Greece ( although the anglophone press tried to frame it that way) , but the ever increasing numbers of refugees showing up at Europes natural and imposed borders. Syrians, Africans from various nations, Afghanis and Pakistanis, people from all corners of the world fleeing wars, oppressive regimes or simply poverty. Often these people are trying to reach EU territory via highly dangerous routes, like in small boats across the Mediterranean ( especially from Libya, where any state authority or functioning police force has collapsed following Ghadaffis fall) or on clandestine routes through the Balkans ( Greece and other states in the way simply let them pass) that end up in central Europe ( Austria is shocked these days by the discovery of 70 refugees suffocated to death in an abandoned truck on a highway).
    Another part of the problem is that a joint asylum policy does factually not exist in the EU bloc. There is, in theory, the "Dublin 3" treaty, that obliges asylum seekers to request asylum in the EU state where the first entered the Union (which means that the border member states recieve financial and logistical support), but since this system places a disproportionate burden on Greece and Italy ( that are additionally in crisis themselves and therefore not too serious about controls), while it favours states without borders to non EU-members (like the UK) and re-distribution of asylum seekers across the continent has never properly worked ( not least because governements found all kinds of excuses), it has been practically scrapped these days, by Germany. Germany is taking by far the largest number of refugees in the entire EU (around 800 000 this year alone, while a number of smaller states (Austria, Sweden) take even more, relating to population ), on top of "normal" immigration that has reached record highs as well, and it has just declared open house - for refugees from Syria. One reason is humanitarian ( since the reports about the ordeal of the countrys civilian population are heartbreaking enough to prompt humanitarian action. Does anyone remember the "boat people"?), another is practical ( The Dublin system is clearly not working and accepting the Syrians in Germany a) takes pressure off Greece and Italy b) saves costs on bureaucratic procedures and deportations to other EU countries ( from which these people often move on to elsewhere in the Union), a third reason is pragmatic (since it forces other national leaders to respond and get their heads out of the sand, especially those that are so far claiming to have nothing to do with it. The partially angry reactions from the UK are not without a reason). And lastly, there is an economic motive, at least for Germany, whose industries are struggling to attract enough workers, even with already high immigration numbers from in and outside the EU. The countrys industry bosses have been urging the governement to reduce red tape barring refugees from entering the labour market and see those willing and capable to make it ( pass vocational training and language courses ) as an asset. :



    http://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-...ees-1440530030

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ts-oliver-junk

    http://www.dw.com/en/germany-eases-a...ees/a-18617055


    http://www.theguardian.com/world/dat...he-uk#comments

    For each asylum application by a Syrian in the UK over the past year, Germany received 27, according to figures released by the Home Office........
    In comparison, an FgW poll for German broadcaster ZDF this week showed that 60% of Germans thought the country could cope with the high number of refugees, and 86% said that Germany was a country of migrants.
    The German government announced last week that it expected to receive 800,000 asylum seekers this year and has urgently called on other EU member states to do more to to rise to the great challenge posed by these people looking for help as the response so far does not meet the standards that Europe must set for itself.
    The different views within the two countries public opinion does not necessarily signal that Germans are more generous or kind-hearted than Britons. Instead, the findings are the likely consequence of the contrasting approaches of German andUK political leaders and the media debate surrounding the refugee crisis in the two countries.
    Data on international migration in the year to June shows that the UK received 25,571 applications for asylum over the 12-month period. Germany received 296,710 over the same period, according to Eurostat data.

    Last edited by Voland; 08-28-2015, 03:08 AM.

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    The bavarian city of Passau has emerged as one of the most popular destinations for refugees in Europe these days ( it was also most likely the destination of the infamous lorry in which 71 refugees, including children, suffocated to death, found in Austria these days) and how its people are trying to cope is f.e. here :


    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...an-west-balkan


    Martin, a GP who had just checked a 10-week-old Syrian babys gum rash, said the enormity of the challenge facing Germany was in no way lost on him. This is a historical moment that I compare to the fall of the Berlin wall, he said. The difference being, that then Germany wanted to change, and now, Germany has no choice but to change.

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    • #3
      After Germanys announcement to let syrian refugees stay in the country, Hungary, where plenty of them were stranded, has opened the gates. Trains from Budapest have, via Vienna, Austria been carrying thousands of refugees to the bavarian capital Munich these days ( and they continue) and locals in Germanys richest and most southeastern state have suddenly had to realize to be on the media frontline of Europes migration crisis for a change. Response has so far been overwhelming though. Plenty of local residents are volunteering ( and keep volunteering) to provide food, drinks, clothing, childrens toys , assistance and shelter and Munich police have now issued a tweet politely asking to stop donations, since deposits were stuffed till the ceiling.
      The case raises uncomfortable questions about Europes open borders system Schengen though, that chancellor Merkel openly said was "on the agenda" if other nations continued to pretend that the refugees were not "their problem as well" and continued to refuse to take a fairer share of people arriving at Europes shores and borders in search for help :


      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10481522.html


      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/wo...T.nav=top-news


      http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...hecks-collapse

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      • #4
        I have been following the EU refugee "crisis" for a while now so I do thank you, Voland, for bringing it up here. You have, above, one of the best treatments of this situation I've read for some time.

        In your most recent post, you raise the issue about Europe's "Open Borders." I have heard it argued (unsuccessfully, in my opinion) that the current refugee flight into (primarily) Germany from war - torn and racist countries is comparable to the illegal immigrant flight from Mexico (and points south) into the United States. Clearly there are some similarities (people coming in without permission to cross our borders), but those similarities are weak (again, in my opinion). Refugees from non-EU countries are being accepted on Humanitarian grounds whereas illegal immigrants coming into the U.S. are coming for personal fulfillment (make more money than they can in their source country). Some, here, have urged a move towards our own "open borders" policy (which, truth be told, is pretty much what we have now).

        I acknowledge Germany's openness and even encouragement towards these refugees does put our "reception" of illegal immigrants to shame. But I want to see how long their economies can sustain such a huge human flood (although apparently they are hurting for workers which is different from the U.S.).

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        • #5
          This is what the American oligarchy meddling in the middle east has helped to create, IMO. Perhaps Merkel should send the bill to the US? This is what destabilizing an area of the world yields. Such a movement of refuges has not happened since ww2.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Good1 View Post
            I have been following the EU refugee "crisis" for a while now so I do thank you, Voland, for bringing it up here. You have, above, one of the best treatments of this situation I've read for some time.

            In your most recent post, you raise the issue about Europe's "Open Borders." I have heard it argued (unsuccessfully, in my opinion) that the current refugee flight into (primarily) Germany from war - torn and racist countries is comparable to the illegal immigrant flight from Mexico (and points south) into the United States. Clearly there are some similarities (people coming in without permission to cross our borders), but those similarities are weak (again, in my opinion). Refugees from non-EU countries are being accepted on Humanitarian grounds whereas illegal immigrants coming into the U.S. are coming for personal fulfillment (make more money than they can in their source country). Some, here, have urged a move towards our own "open borders" policy (which, truth be told, is pretty much what we have now).

            I acknowledge Germany's openness and even encouragement towards these refugees does put our "reception" of illegal immigrants to shame. But I want to see how long their economies can sustain such a huge human flood (although apparently they are hurting for workers which is different from the U.S.).

            Well, to answer your question : The proper EU comparison with your illegal immigration from south of the border would be the Balcans. Around 40 % ( how much exactly will be seen by the end of the year) of 2015s 800 000 asylum seekers in Germany alone come from countries such as Serbia, Albania, Macedonia or Kosovo, that struggle with corruption, poverty and weak economies offering their young generations few perspectives, yet these countries are neither war-torn nor oppressing their people (...anymore, little more than twenty years ago also people from there qualified as asylum seekers).
            It is not morally reprehensible in any way to seek a better life elsewhere for you and/or your family, yet there are legal routes to immigrate to Germany (and numerous other countries in the EU) open also to people from the Balcans, such as work visa, student visa etc. ( that could at some point be upgraded to residency/permanent residency status if things go well. Happens all the time.) Which means that asylum seekers from these countries are almost certainly rejected (everywhere in the EU). In the case of the Balcans building walls and isolating ourselves is not seen as an answer though, not least because we seek to integrate these countries into european structures in the end. Which involves investment and assistance aimed at improving their economies (similar to what happened in eastern Europe, where countries such as Poland, or the Czech Republic have ceased to be a major source of "economic" immigrants, which they were in the 90s and up until the 2000s).
            The Syrians and people that are fleeing war, unrest and prosecution elsewhere, like Afghanis, Iraqis, Eritreans etc. are accepted on humanitarian reasons, quite right. What makes Germany different from other nations though is that its constitution defines political asylum for refugees as a human right (a reminder from the Nazi era). One should not confuse refugee status with immediate residency status though. The first is obviously limited to the duration of the conflict. On the other hand Germany needs workers, which means those of schooling and working age that are considered willing and capable will be matched with education and job opportunities, that obviously imply the chance to stay permanently, if things go well. Chancellor Merkel herself has said these days that the Syrians arriving by the thousands are not at all always poor near-eastern peasants without qualification and skills, but often even highly educated people (since pre-war Syria was in some aspects quite progressive) that could be valuable for Germany and Europe. So that is not at all a purely altruistic exercise.
            On a european level the problem is that the continent lacks a proper immigration policy. The Dublin system can be put to rest, and Merkels move was merely the last nail in its coffin. While nations are understandably defending the right to set their own immigration targets and limits, refugees are also understandably seeking to reach the country that they consider the most promising to build a new life in ( and that is for the majority currently Germany). Which Germany can cope with for the moment, but indefinitely of course not. That is why the Merkel governement pushes for a europe-wide flexible quota mechanism that registers, allocates and distributes refugees according to EU members capabilities to absorb them, labour markets, and economic situations. Germanys move to accomodate the Syrians was also intended as a wake-up call to some members that these refugees are coming anyway. While people can be convinced to stay in the Balcans if they find better job and life opportunities ( which it is worth to help financing), despaired war refugees that have lost everything will not be deterred by fences or border controls. The question is wether they come in an orderly or chaotic manner. At least until we have managed to put an end to the carnage in Syria.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
              This is what the American oligarchy meddling in the middle east has helped to create, IMO. Perhaps Merkel should send the bill to the US? This is what destabilizing an area of the world yields. Such a movement of refuges has not happened since ww2.
              You mean its what happens when you let civil wars fester in the name of "it's not our problem".

              Well guess what. It became somebody else's problem. Yet another perfectly predictable failure for the isolationist crowd.

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              • #8
                That is (more) great information, Voland. All the reports I've read and heard have been about the Germans' (and others') open, hospitable reception to everyone: Virtually opening wide the gates and providing them jobs and support. I was not aware that anyone could be turned down (for the asylum request).

                Thanks, again.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Commodore View Post

                  You mean its what happens when you let civil wars fester in the name of "it's not our problem".

                  Well guess what. It became somebody else's problem. Yet another perfectly predictable failure for the isolationist crowd.
                  The reason the entire middle east is destabilized is by plan. The New American Century. This was started under Bush, and has continued under Obama. There is a list, Iraq, Iran Syria, Libya, that were targets. If you do not think we were not involved up to the gills in what happened in Syria, man, you sure do not pay much attention is all I can say.

                  So, how you can say anything about an isolationist crowd, who have no power, is puzzling. I think you need to find a good book that lays out what happened in the middle east, beginning with our invasion of Iraq, and get up to speed. Obama did not directly attack Syria, but he was about to, until Putin worked out a deal on that poison gas arsenal, which if we had of ignored it, the deal, that would have been too obvious as to what we were doing. So we use proxies, and one turned out to be ISIS. I will bet you that Obama doesn't know what the CIA does. And what the CIA is operating under is that neocon new American century deal. For the banking cabal and the defense industries want it. Keeps the profits rolling in.

                  Here are the anti isolationists...



                  But of course, if you watch the video, I fully expect you to go into denial, for it does not fit your ideological views. But has Clark been sued for lying? LOL
                  Last edited by Blue Doggy; 09-02-2015, 07:03 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                    That is (more) great information, Voland. All the reports I've read and heard have been about the Germans' (and others') open, hospitable reception to everyone: Virtually opening wide the gates and providing them jobs and support. I was not aware that anyone could be turned down (for the asylum request).

                    Thanks, again.

                    Well, several points should be separated here :

                    a) The syrian refugees : Taking them was/is partially a humanitarian gesture but with a dose of pragmatism and realpolitik and an eye to the domestic labour market probably (Merkel rarely makes a move based solely on one motive). The state of things, as it was could not be allowed to continue, with refugees beeing stranded all over southern and eastern Europe by governements dragging their feet and always pointing to someone else. Here Germany has taken the lead but Merkel has been quite open and not very diplomatic that she expects others to follow ( and David Camerons response makes clear that at least one recipient has gotten the message). Of the Syrians those that a) sucessfully pass through education/job training and build a life (and they recieve encouragement and help to do so) and/or b) are members of minorities ( like the Christians or the Yazidi) whose chances of safe return are little, even if the war ends have the best chances to stay permanently (and they may be a couple), yet Germanys decision is no blank cheque to ALL Syrians (except for asylum and shelter for the duration of the war). That depends at least partially on their own efforts ( the offers are there)

                    b) the "economic" immigrants : Albanian nurses or serbian architects, kosovar students or macedonian IT workers f.e. can get work or study visas for Germany or other countries if they match the conditions, yet asylum applications will be turned down because a) these countries are all candidates/applicants for EU membership (thus considered safe), they recieve generous economic assistance via various EU programs, and as EU candidates they are frankly expected to sort out their own mess. That not least applies to the Roma (Gipsy) minority that is often living on the fringes of these countries societies and therefore quite often seeking asylum in northern Europe to escape poverty. Yet asylum (Germany) is reserved for those suffering from war and actual prosecution.

                    c) Asylum seekers from other countries than Syria have to go through the normal process of having their cases checked, which currently with so many people seeking shelter easily takes up to six months. Taking the Syrians out of the process was also a way to help reduce the waiting period for the other nationalities. Currently those that bring in desired qualifications and skills have good chances to have their case transferred from the asylum procedure to the labour agency, even if their case was otherwise considered non-sufficient (for asylum). Actually german industry and businesses have pressured Merkel for quite some time to remove red tape barring refugees from taking jobs (it is not as if we dont need people). Yet also deportations of people considered unfit/undesirable/unqualified for a residency permit are likely to increase.

                    Putting things in perspective does not at all belittle two things : a) The highly impressive effort, the generosity and kindness of thousands of volunteers that have often spontaneously rushed out all over the country to help, assist and accomodate refugees arriving in Germany. Most Germans are well aware that millions of their own countrymen/women ( and often family members) were refugees desperately seeking help themselves, before, during and after WW II and under communism. b) Politicians across the complete spectre, ministers, chancellor and president have called on the public to recieve the refugees decently, kindly and helpful, also "those that wont be able to stay with us" (Merkel),have spoken about a "national effort" and denounced violence and resentment directed at refugees as "unworthy of our country" (Merkel) and Nazi rioters as "scum" (vice chancellor Gabriel) . And these things matter, since Europe has no shortage of politicians who much rather pander to this kind of resentment to gain votes.




                    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...entral-station

                    .........Urging Germans to rise to the challenge of helping integrate the 800,000 asylum seekers due to arrive in Germany this year, Merkel said: “German thoroughness is super, but what we need now is German flexibility.”........
                    One commentator asked: “Since when have Germans been flexible?” The Sddeutsche Zeitung newspaper said it was as if Merkel had returned from her holidays “injected with a southern European nonchalance”.
                    But the trait was certainly on full display among the volunteers who had organised themselves on Facebook and were at the station handing out provisions and basic toiletries that had been donated by the citizens of Munich and local shop owners.
                    So many donations had been received by Tuesday afternoon, the police had to issue an appeal for people to stop. Johannes Stahl, 18, who took the train to Munich from his hometown of Aichach, about 50km away, on hearing on the news that thousands of refugees had arrived at Munich station and help was needed, says: “We’re learning as we go along, and trying to react as fast as we can to the needs people tell us they have, including things like nappies and cream for babies’ raw bottoms.”




                    https://www.timeshighereducation.co....study-suggests
                    German universities are providing education, language tuition and financial assistance to help refugees become students, a report says.
                    Other types of support have also been provided for refugees by more than 60 universities in Germany, according to the survey carried out by the German Rectors’ Conference, which is known as the Hochschulrektorenkonferenz (HRK).
                    These include holding information events on studying at university, advice on how to prepare for student life, legal advice, psychosocial support and help to find accommodation.
                    Many universities also have waived semester fees, provided free student passes for public transport, and given access to hardship and grant funds, says the report published last month.
                    “Through activities like these, universities are making an important contribution to the social integration of refugees and sending out a signal for an open, forward-looking society,” said Horst Hippler, president of Karlsruhe Institute of Technology and HRK president.





                    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/refugees-we...better-1517812


                    German football clubs are fast gaining a reputation as morally superior to the UK's politicians as their fans pull out all the stops to welcome refugees to matches. Despite a spate of violent protests against refugees in the eastern town of Heidenau, near Dresden, football fans are showing solidarity to people in plight on their terraces.
                    ......A number of banners were spotted at matches on 29 August sporting the message: "Refugees Welcome." Just a few days earlier, German giants Borussia Dortmund invited 220 refugees for their Europa League tie against Norwegian club Odds Ballklubb more than the number of Syrians who have been welcomed in the UK through the government's official refugee relocation scheme, according to i100......
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                      I'm starting to hear (well, not exactly "starting") reports that some of the countries are fraying around the edges with the refugees and migrants (since yesterday, I have come to understand the difference between those two terms):
                      1. Budapest closing down the train station to refugees;
                      2. Greece stringing razor wire along its border with Macedonia trying to keep migrants out;
                      3. 11 dead, including children, from drowning as they tried to cross from the African Continent over to ??? (bodies washing up in Turkey)...



                      Right now, Germany is welcoming both refugees and migrants because they are hurting for workers. What happens when they "fill up?" Will EU's largess start evaporating, too?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                        I'm starting to hear (well, not exactly "starting") reports that some of the countries are fraying around the edges with the refugees and migrants (since yesterday, I have come to understand the difference between those two terms):
                        1. Budapest closing down the train station to refugees;
                        2. Greece stringing razor wire along its border with Macedonia trying to keep migrants out;
                        3. 11 dead, including children, from drowning as they tried to cross from the African Continent over to ??? (bodies washing up in Turkey)...
                        Right now, Germany is welcoming both refugees and migrants because they are hurting for workers. What happens when they "fill up?" Will EU's largess start evaporating, too?


                        1. Well, yes, the images of the drowned little boy (3 years old) found on a holiday beach in Turkey made me spill my morning coffee today. They are almost too cruel to look at and show the crisis in its human dimension like few others. His (syrian) family was trying to cross from Turkey to one of the greek islands ( presumably to move on to northern Europe) when their boat capsized.
                        2. Greece as well as Macedonia ( a non-EU country but en route northwards) are merely transit countries for pretty much all refugees anyway and have so far done as little as possible short of beeing accused of doing nothing.
                        3. As far as Germany is concerned : Yes, hurting for workers is one motivation to accept refugees we legally speaking wouldnt have to ( and not the worst one, refugees offered not only asylum but also a job and a perspective tend to be hard-working and grateful people). But to focus only on that side of the argument would be too narrow. There is also the realpolitikal dimension to be considered (Germany had to demonstrate leadership to credibly push for a new european system of shared responsibility for refugees according to a countrys needs and options), not doing anything could have been worse ( and the refugees would still have arrived, just in an even more chaotic manner). And finally, yes, there is pretty broad agreement across political camps and also backed by opinion polls on the right, humanitarian thing to do. And Germans have considerable experience with refugees ( they, including myself, only have to ask or remember their own grandparents), or in more recent memory the refugees from the communist east or from Yugoslavia.
                        And no, noone expects that situation to last indefinitely (Germanys governement has been pretty open about that). What Germany is thus pushing for on the european level you find f.e. here ( website of the foreign ministry/english version). I guess especially the third point is more or less directly related to your question. :

                        http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/EN/In...gspolitik.html


                        Third, we need a fair distribution of refugees in Europe. The citizens of our country are helping to receive and integrate refugees into our society as never before. This solidarity will only be maintained long-term if people see that the refugee crisis is being approached fairly throughout Europe. A state of affairs in which – as today – only a handful of member states shoulder the entire burden is just as unsustainable as a system that forces those countries that happen to form the outer border of the EU to take the strain alone. We must therefore reform the existing Dublin system. We need binding and objective criteria for refugee quotas for all member states that take their respective capabilities into account.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Voland View Post



                          1. Well, yes, the images of the drowned little boy (3 years old) found on a holiday beach in Turkey made me spill my morning coffee today. They are almost too cruel to look at and show the crisis in its human dimension like few others. His (syrian) family was trying to cross from Turkey to one of the greek islands ( presumably to move on to northern Europe) when their boat capsized.
                          2. Greece as well as Macedonia ( a non-EU country but en route northwards) are merely transit countries for pretty much all refugees anyway and have so far done as little as possible short of beeing accused of doing nothing.
                          3. As far as Germany is concerned : Yes, hurting for workers is one motivation to accept refugees we legally speaking wouldnt have to ( and not the worst one, refugees offered not only asylum but also a job and a perspective tend to be hard-working and grateful people). But to focus only on that side of the argument would be too narrow. There is also the realpolitikal dimension to be considered (Germany had to demonstrate leadership to credibly push for a new european system of shared responsibility for refugees according to a countrys needs and options), not doing anything could have been worse ( and the refugees would still have arrived, just in an even more chaotic manner). And finally, yes, there is pretty broad agreement across political camps and also backed by opinion polls on the right, humanitarian thing to do. And Germans have considerable experience with refugees ( they, including myself, only have to ask or remember their own grandparents), or in more recent memory the refugees from the communist east or from Yugoslavia.
                          And no, noone expects that situation to last indefinitely (Germanys governement has been pretty open about that). What Germany is thus pushing for on the european level you find f.e. here ( website of the foreign ministry/english version). I guess especially the third point is more or less directly related to your question. :

                          http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/EN/In...gspolitik.html


                          Third, we need a fair distribution of refugees in Europe. The citizens of our country are helping to receive and integrate refugees into our society as never before. This solidarity will only be maintained long-term if people see that the refugee crisis is being approached fairly throughout Europe. A state of affairs in which – as today – only a handful of member states shoulder the entire burden is just as unsustainable as a system that forces those countries that happen to form the outer border of the EU to take the strain alone. We must therefore reform the existing Dublin system. We need binding and objective criteria for refugee quotas for all member states that take their respective capabilities into account.

                          Do Germans expect those immigrants to become Germans or just Syrians living in Germany. At one time people immigrating to the U.S. wanted to become Americans. Today, they just want to be foreigners living in America.

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                            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


                            Do Germans expect those immigrants to become Germans or just Syrians living in Germany. At one time people immigrating to the U.S. wanted to become Americans. Today, they just want to be foreigners living in America.

                            That is basically up to them ( as long as they meet the requirements). Yet those that meet the requirements ( like an uninterrupted minimum period of 5-8 years living, working and paying tax in the country ( unemployment or criminal offences may disqualify you), passing language and culture exams f.e.) are more likely than not to actually take the opportunity (to become Germans). And those that pass the ( quite difficult) citizenship test are more likely than not to fully deserve calling this country their new home and become productive members of society.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Voland View Post


                              That is basically up to them ( as long as they meet the requirements). Yet those that meet the requirements ( like an uninterrupted minimum period of 5-8 years living, working and paying tax in the country ( unemployment or criminal offences may disqualify you), passing language and culture exams f.e.) are more likely than not to actually take the opportunity (to become Germans). And those that pass the ( quite difficult) citizenship test are more likely than not to fully deserve calling this country their new home and become productive members of society.
                              If our tests here were quite difficult, we would have modern liberals raising hell, accusing our gov't of making it too difficult.

                              I just find it astounding to still live in a world where refugees are created. My fellow homosapiens are utterly basically insane lunatics and pure evil. The inner consciousness of these war mongers is so chaotic, lacking goodness and order, that they then create these societies that erupt in collective hate and violence. The old world will not change until the people change, one at a time. It is possible, but not probable, and that's the insanity of it all.

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