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  • How illegal immigrants affect your vote

    Here it's carefully explained why the people here illegally are a major problem

    A major POLITICAL problem

    It's an underhanded theft of the people of America who are the citizens of America

    This thievery is carried out, not by the people coming here illegally, but by those people who allow & encourage them to come here illegally

    Read, understand and pass it around

    Americans need to understand what is going on

    "..it's not just California that has its undocumented thumb on the political scale. ."

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Do the math.

    California has between three and a half and five million illegal aliens living there depending on what source you trust. Some claim those numbers could be much higher. Even the most conservative estimates mean the state is home to millions of illegal residents.

    The problem is, nobody is actually sure how many illegal immigrants are living there and with the Supreme Court returning a mixed decision on adding a citizenship question to the 2020 Census it seemed we would be mired in confusion even longer.

    Enter Attorney General William Barr, who explained to the president there were other avenues available that might provide better information and solve the problem.

    The Supreme Court said adding such a question was legal but returning to court would be a long process and Barr advised relying on an Executive Order to all federal agencies, ordering them to turn over all numbers of illegals they have on the books for various programs. Which is exactly what the president did.

    Why does all of this matter? Because it affects the balance of power in our country. And Barr slipped that nugget in during his brief comments.

    "There is a current dispute over whether illegal aliens can be included for apportionment purposes," Barr said and added this data could be important in those deliberations.

    This distinction is clearly outlined by John S. Baker Jr. in a piece for The Hill and he explains that almost no country on earth allows foreigners or illegal aliens to enjoy equal standing with its own citizens.

    Baker also points out that this strategy to order all federal agencies to provide detailed numbers comes as no surprise. Professor Baker spoke exclusively to the Steve Gruber Show.

    "This has been part of Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross's position as stated in his memo in March 2018 that he would ask both the question and collect the data from the various federal agencies that have it," Baker said. "The staff wanted him to only use the data from these agencies. Now with this, President Donald J. Trump's executive order, although they don't ask the citizenship question on the census, the U.S. Department of Commerce will be able to get all the data they will need to count both citizens and non-citizens."

    Let's look west for a clear understanding of why this is such an important move by President Trump.

    In 2018 California Governor Jerry Brown moved to make the whole state a so-called sanctuary state, meaning instead of following federal laws on immigration the state is actively ignoring the law of the land and giving the green light to millions to openly break federal statutes.

    How far is the left willing to go to protect these people? Well it seems they will do anything they can to thwart the law. They will go to great lengths because it means they will also retain greater power than they should.

    The problem is they are violating our rights and the rights of hundreds of millions of American citizens in the process. They are taking your representation away in favor of non-citizens violating the laws of our land.

    California and 17 other states sued the Trump Administration to prevent the 2020 Census from asking the question about citizenship status and therefore trying to keep secret how many illegal aliens are actually living in the Golden State.

    The reason is clear; they want them all counted in the 2020 Census so they can keep the extra 4, 5 or 6 members of Congress they have based on counting illegal aliens and claim the additional political power that comes with them.

    To fully appreciate how we are getting the short end of the deal you need to understand the math. You see each member of Congress represents about 733,000 Americans on average but California is gaming the system and stealing from other actual citizens of the United States by getting several extra seats in Congress and a disproportionate number of votes in the Electoral College too.

    Counting people living there illegally and then counting them in the Census gives California more political clout than they legally should have. In fact counting people in the country illegally disenfranchises American citizens in several other states.

    Those states might otherwise be apportioned Congressional seats they rightfully deserve. Several states stand to lose seats in Congress following the upcoming headcount. States like Michigan, Ohio and Minnesota will likely see seats lost to states like Washington, Texas, and California that have high numbers of illegal immigrants.

    And it's not just California that has its undocumented thumb on the political scale. If you dig deeper you realize that Texas has an estimated 1.7 million illegal residents that are being counted toward their Congressional delegation as well.

    Consider for a moment this scenario; what if California, Texas, and New York, states with large numbers of illegal residents, determine the outcome of a very close presidential election but between them they delivered 8 or 10 Electoral Votes they would not have had if those here illegally had not been counted. This is by definition illegal voting. What else would you call it?

    If states are awarded Electoral Votes based on counting people violating Federal Immigration Law and living here unlawfully and as a result of their residency some states have more influence on the outcome of elections, that is fraud. It is citizenship fraud that leads to voter fraud and that fraud is being perpetrated on citizens that live in states that actually enforce federal immigration laws.

    Why should we allow states that ignore the rule of law to benefit from those blatant violations? The answer is we should not, period.

    We must stand up for the rule of law or it is you and I that are being disenfranchised by non-citizens.

    My Constitutional right to full participation in our Republic is being diluted by states like California and Texas that are failing to enforce immigration laws. Houston is a sanctuary city and it's estimated more than 750,000 illegal immigrants live in and around the city. That alone is enough to earn Texas one seat in Congress. So while millions of actual citizens are losing their voice in Washington, some states are artificially expanding their influence by allowing illegal aliens to call those places home.

    And let's not forget that the Census is also the basis for Federal funding of just about everything under the sun, which means in addition to getting a disproportionate amount of power in Congress and the Electoral College, billions of additional dollars would flow back to California that it would not otherwise receive. The whole argument over whether or not to ask people if they are legal residents of the United States comes down to political power and money.

    Gee, that's a big surprise.

    Let's be very clear about what this is; this is one group of states stealing from other states that actually enforce immigration law. States that actually follow the law are getting screwed by not getting the number of seats in Congress they would otherwise deserve under our laws.

    This is not ok because citizenship matters and the lawlessness of the left can and must be reigned in.

    Remember citizenship matters.


    https://www.newsmax.com/stevegruber/.../23/id/925627/


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    .... the dustup about the census including a question about citizenship has nothing to do with what the loony left claims as their motivation to exclude it. They say its all about being sensitive to the hurt feelings and paranoia of people who are illegally present in the U.S.

    The Constitution of the United States directs the President to conduct a Census every ten years, and that has been done without controversy since 1790. And with rare exceptions, the question on citizenship has been part of it from the beginning. Yet, its inclusion in the 2020 Census has become controversial.

    The vehement opposition to the 2020 Census question on citizenship is a symptom of a deep divide in the body politic, a chasm that only grows wider and deeper as politicians postpone a decision over the meaning of the Constitution's opening words, "We the People."

    There is a chasm as wide as the Grand Canyon separating individuals who believe that "We the People" means we the citizens of the United States and those who believe it means, we the global citizens who temporarily inhabit this territory. To one group having an accurate count of both citizens and noncitizens resident in each state is vital to the constitutional purposes of the Census, but to the "global citizen" contingent that count is not only unnecessary, it is slanderous, racist and, well -- undemocratic!


    The political resistance to the traditional citizenship question as part of the decennial Census derives its passion and intensity from the ideological goal of transforming the nature of political representation in our republic. In that world, an elected representative in any city council, school board, county commission, state legislature, Board of Regents, or the U. .Congress, is duty bound to represent any resident of his or her district with the same passion and integrity whether that resident be a citizen, a Chinese or German foreign student at a local university, a legal resident alien born in Egypt or an illegal alien who swam across the Rio Grande. Should foreign students at the University of Colorado vote in Boulder city elections? Why not, if every "person" is entitled to "equal representation"?

    The population count produced by the 2020 Census will be the foundation for Congress' adoption of revised apportionment of the 435 seats in Congress. Does a new apportionment based on new Census numbers mean a count based on all persons, all citizens, or something else?

    ..there is an even bigger picture that elitist leftists are trying to paint for us all. They want no borders, no allegiance to a nation state, no citizenship classification connected to a single country.

    They want a kumbaya world of global citizens that can be governed by people who know better.

    Samuel P. Huntington, wrote a landmark book aptly titled Who Are We? Americas National Identity Crisis. He believed that America's unprecedented achievements and unparalleled prosperity had their foundation in our nation's European heritage, a heritage under siege by the formidable forces of multiculturalism. So eliminating the citizenship question in the Census is a just another step down the road to the elitist utopia promised by Marx and Engels.

    Eventually we will come to the step when jackbooted government agents really will be pulling people out of their beds and sending them off to re-education camps. After all, some people might resist the America that Barack Obama promised to thoroughly transform.


    https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...rs_agenda.html

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    Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
    Here it's carefully explained why the people here illegally are a major problem

    A major POLITICAL problem

    It's an underhanded theft of the people of America who are the citizens of America

    This thievery is carried out, not by the people coming here illegally, but by those people who allow & encourage them to come here illegally

    Read, understand and pass it around

    Americans need to understand what is going on

    "..it's not just California that has its undocumented thumb on the political scale. ."

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Do the math.

    California has between three and a half and five million illegal aliens living there depending on what source you trust. Some claim those numbers could be much higher. Even the most conservative estimates mean the state is home to millions of illegal residents.

    The problem is, nobody is actually sure how many illegal immigrants are living there and with the Supreme Court returning a mixed decision on adding a citizenship question to the 2020 Census it seemed we would be mired in confusion even longer.

    Enter Attorney General William Barr, who explained to the president there were other avenues available that might provide better information and solve the problem.

    The Supreme Court said adding such a question was legal but returning to court would be a long process and Barr advised relying on an Executive Order to all federal agencies, ordering them to turn over all numbers of illegals they have on the books for various programs. Which is exactly what the president did.

    Why does all of this matter? Because it affects the balance of power in our country. And Barr slipped that nugget in during his brief comments.

    "There is a current dispute over whether illegal aliens can be included for apportionment purposes," Barr said and added this data could be important in those deliberations.

    This distinction is clearly outlined by John S. Baker Jr. in a piece for The Hill and he explains that almost no country on earth allows foreigners or illegal aliens to enjoy equal standing with its own citizens.

    Baker also points out that this strategy to order all federal agencies to provide detailed numbers comes as no surprise. Professor Baker spoke exclusively to the Steve Gruber Show.

    "This has been part of Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross's position as stated in his memo in March 2018 that he would ask both the question and collect the data from the various federal agencies that have it," Baker said. "The staff wanted him to only use the data from these agencies. Now with this, President Donald J. Trump's executive order, although they don't ask the citizenship question on the census, the U.S. Department of Commerce will be able to get all the data they will need to count both citizens and non-citizens."

    Let's look west for a clear understanding of why this is such an important move by President Trump.

    In 2018 California Governor Jerry Brown moved to make the whole state a so-called sanctuary state, meaning instead of following federal laws on immigration the state is actively ignoring the law of the land and giving the green light to millions to openly break federal statutes.

    How far is the left willing to go to protect these people? Well it seems they will do anything they can to thwart the law. They will go to great lengths because it means they will also retain greater power than they should.

    The problem is they are violating our rights and the rights of hundreds of millions of American citizens in the process. They are taking your representation away in favor of non-citizens violating the laws of our land.

    California and 17 other states sued the Trump Administration to prevent the 2020 Census from asking the question about citizenship status and therefore trying to keep secret how many illegal aliens are actually living in the Golden State.

    The reason is clear; they want them all counted in the 2020 Census so they can keep the extra 4, 5 or 6 members of Congress they have based on counting illegal aliens and claim the additional political power that comes with them.

    To fully appreciate how we are getting the short end of the deal you need to understand the math. You see each member of Congress represents about 733,000 Americans on average but California is gaming the system and stealing from other actual citizens of the United States by getting several extra seats in Congress and a disproportionate number of votes in the Electoral College too.

    Counting people living there illegally and then counting them in the Census gives California more political clout than they legally should have. In fact counting people in the country illegally disenfranchises American citizens in several other states.

    Those states might otherwise be apportioned Congressional seats they rightfully deserve. Several states stand to lose seats in Congress following the upcoming headcount. States like Michigan, Ohio and Minnesota will likely see seats lost to states like Washington, Texas, and California that have high numbers of illegal immigrants.

    And it's not just California that has its undocumented thumb on the political scale. If you dig deeper you realize that Texas has an estimated 1.7 million illegal residents that are being counted toward their Congressional delegation as well.

    Consider for a moment this scenario; what if California, Texas, and New York, states with large numbers of illegal residents, determine the outcome of a very close presidential election but between them they delivered 8 or 10 Electoral Votes they would not have had if those here illegally had not been counted. This is by definition illegal voting. What else would you call it?

    If states are awarded Electoral Votes based on counting people violating Federal Immigration Law and living here unlawfully and as a result of their residency some states have more influence on the outcome of elections, that is fraud. It is citizenship fraud that leads to voter fraud and that fraud is being perpetrated on citizens that live in states that actually enforce federal immigration laws.

    Why should we allow states that ignore the rule of law to benefit from those blatant violations? The answer is we should not, period.

    We must stand up for the rule of law or it is you and I that are being disenfranchised by non-citizens.

    My Constitutional right to full participation in our Republic is being diluted by states like California and Texas that are failing to enforce immigration laws. Houston is a sanctuary city and it's estimated more than 750,000 illegal immigrants live in and around the city. That alone is enough to earn Texas one seat in Congress. So while millions of actual citizens are losing their voice in Washington, some states are artificially expanding their influence by allowing illegal aliens to call those places home.

    And let's not forget that the Census is also the basis for Federal funding of just about everything under the sun, which means in addition to getting a disproportionate amount of power in Congress and the Electoral College, billions of additional dollars would flow back to California that it would not otherwise receive. The whole argument over whether or not to ask people if they are legal residents of the United States comes down to political power and money.

    Gee, that's a big surprise.

    Let's be very clear about what this is; this is one group of states stealing from other states that actually enforce immigration law. States that actually follow the law are getting screwed by not getting the number of seats in Congress they would otherwise deserve under our laws.

    This is not ok because citizenship matters and the lawlessness of the left can and must be reigned in.

    Remember citizenship matters.


    https://www.newsmax.com/stevegruber/.../23/id/925627/


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    .... the dustup about the census including a question about citizenship has nothing to do with what the loony left claims as their motivation to exclude it. They say its all about being sensitive to the hurt feelings and paranoia of people who are illegally present in the U.S.

    The Constitution of the United States directs the President to conduct a Census every ten years, and that has been done without controversy since 1790. And with rare exceptions, the question on citizenship has been part of it from the beginning. Yet, its inclusion in the 2020 Census has become controversial.

    The vehement opposition to the 2020 Census question on citizenship is a symptom of a deep divide in the body politic, a chasm that only grows wider and deeper as politicians postpone a decision over the meaning of the Constitution's opening words, "We the People."

    There is a chasm as wide as the Grand Canyon separating individuals who believe that "We the People" means we the citizens of the United States and those who believe it means, we the global citizens who temporarily inhabit this territory. To one group having an accurate count of both citizens and noncitizens resident in each state is vital to the constitutional purposes of the Census, but to the "global citizen" contingent that count is not only unnecessary, it is slanderous, racist and, well -- undemocratic!


    The political resistance to the traditional citizenship question as part of the decennial Census derives its passion and intensity from the ideological goal of transforming the nature of political representation in our republic. In that world, an elected representative in any city council, school board, county commission, state legislature, Board of Regents, or the U. .Congress, is duty bound to represent any resident of his or her district with the same passion and integrity whether that resident be a citizen, a Chinese or German foreign student at a local university, a legal resident alien born in Egypt or an illegal alien who swam across the Rio Grande. Should foreign students at the University of Colorado vote in Boulder city elections? Why not, if every "person" is entitled to "equal representation"?

    The population count produced by the 2020 Census will be the foundation for Congress' adoption of revised apportionment of the 435 seats in Congress. Does a new apportionment based on new Census numbers mean a count based on all persons, all citizens, or something else?

    ..there is an even bigger picture that elitist leftists are trying to paint for us all. They want no borders, no allegiance to a nation state, no citizenship classification connected to a single country.

    They want a kumbaya world of global citizens that can be governed by people who know better.

    Samuel P. Huntington, wrote a landmark book aptly titled Who Are We? Americas National Identity Crisis. He believed that America's unprecedented achievements and unparalleled prosperity had their foundation in our nation's European heritage, a heritage under siege by the formidable forces of multiculturalism. So eliminating the citizenship question in the Census is a just another step down the road to the elitist utopia promised by Marx and Engels.

    Eventually we will come to the step when jackbooted government agents really will be pulling people out of their beds and sending them off to re-education camps. After all, some people might resist the America that Barack Obama promised to thoroughly transform.


    https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...rs_agenda.html
    It's called cheating, and the Democrats appear to have made it a career.
    The Democrats always claim that picture ID to vote is disenfranchising voters. Can you imagine how many legitimate voters are disenfranchised when their votes are overridden by illegals voting?

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      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
      It's called cheating, and the Democrats appear to have made it a career.
      That's for sure.

      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
      The Democrats always claim that picture ID to vote is disenfranchising voters.
      Oh yeah, "disenfranchising" them, such a load of crap. These people get away with B.S. like that WAY too much.

      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
      Can you imagine how many legitimate voters are disenfranchised when their votes are overridden by illegals voting?
      Some kinds of "disenfranchising" are better than others when you're a career fraudster.

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        Here is the incoherent stupidity. Census numbers are used by govt to determine various things of importance but its a citizen count and not breaking out illegals corrupts the information

        This would be important to a sane govt. To responsible politicians and the courts. And yet it isn't

        This is the madness of the willing destruction of any govt founded on democratic principles and the rule of law. And people will destroy due to partisan party power politics as irresponsible voters treat it as some fan based game of entertainment.

        Folks no one should believe that dems are responsible enough to vote. These people are incapable of logic rationality and reason and their action or inaction is proof.

        These kind of minds do not solve serious problems but create them. And verifiable
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
          Here is the incoherent stupidity. Census numbers are used by govt to determine various things of importance but its a citizen count and not breaking out illegals corrupts the information

          This would be important to a sane govt. To responsible politicians and the courts. And yet it isn't

          This is the madness of the willing destruction of any govt founded on democratic principles and the rule of law. And people will destroy due to partisan party power politics as irresponsible voters treat it as some fan based game of entertainment.

          Folks no one should believe that dems are responsible enough to vote. These people are incapable of logic rationality and reason and their action or inaction is proof.

          These kind of minds do not solve serious problems but create them. And verifiable
          Indeed. Here again we can see the leftists in the media and the Democratic leftists lying to the electorate.

          The citizenship question recurred multiple times from 1820 to 1890. And from 1890 to 1950, it appeared on every census. Since then, it has been included on every long-form census questionnaire from 1970 to 2000. To this day, the question is still asked on the American Community Survey, an annual supplement to the decennial census. The citizenship question is not a new concept; it is the restoration of common sense.
          . . . .
          It is worth noting that the citizenship question does not ask about a persons legal status; it merely asks about citizenship status and thus has nothing whatsoever to do with immigration enforcement. In fact, federal law prevents census data from being used for anything other than statistical analysis. That is the law and there is no evidence any agency intends to violate it.
          . . . .
          Furthermore, knowing the number of citizens in any district will help reduce voter fraud by providing a more complete picture of the eligible voters in a district. If there are, say, 300,000 U.S. citizens in a district, and 350,000 turn out to vote in an election, well know theres a problem. Put simply, it is likely the Obama administrations failure to ask this question has harmed minority communities by making voter fraud harder to detect. The objections to the citizenship question assume it will decrease participation in Census Bureau surveys, but no such evidence exists. In fact, when President Obama removed the question in 2010, there was no sudden increase in reporting population.

          Ken Paxton is attorney general of Texas.
          https://thehill.com/opinion/immigrat...is-nothing-new
          Questions Included on
          Decennial Census, 1790-2020


          Birthplace? Citizenship?
          1790
          1800
          1810
          No No
          1820
          1830
          No Yes
          1840 No No
          1850
          1860
          Yes,
          but free inhabitants only
          No
          1870 Yes Yes,
          but asked only of men 21 or older
          1880 Yes No
          1890
          1900
          1910
          1920
          1930
          1940
          1950
          Yes Yes
          1960 Yes,
          but 25% sample only
          No
          1970 Yes,
          but 20% sample only
          Yes,
          but 5% sample only
          1980
          1990
          Yes,
          but 1/6 sample only
          Yes,
          but 1/6 sample only
          2000 Yes,
          but 1/6 sample only;
          also asked in first annual ACS
          Yes,
          but 1/6 sample only;
          also asked in first annual ACS
          2010 No,
          but asked in annual ACS (~3% sample)
          No,
          but asked in annual ACS (~3% sample)
          2020 No,
          but to be asked in annual ACS (~3% sample)
          Yes,
          also to be asked in annual ACS (~3% sample)

          Sources from Census Bureau: "Measuring America", September 2002; "Index of Questions"; "Census Bureau Submits Planned Questions for 2020 Census to Congress", March 29, 2018.

          The annual American Community Survey (ACS) began in 2000. It covers approximately 3 percent of the U.S. population and is conducted separately from the decennial census.

          In 1960, birthplace and citizenship were asked of the entire population of New York and Puerto Rico. Because this is not a representative sample of the United States, the citizenship cell still gets an unqualified "No".
          https://cis.org/Richwine/History-Cen...ions-One-Table
          What did leftists call it? Unconstitutional? Racist? Just more examples of how dishonest they truly are.

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