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  • Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years

    Here is a link to the full article:

    Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years - Chicago Sun-Times

    According to this article, the defendant was sentenced for aggravated battery.

    Did he actually commit aggravated battery?

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    Re: Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years

    They should have given him a medal

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      Re: Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years

      Originally posted by Steerpike View Post
      Here is a link to the full article:

      Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years - Chicago Sun-Times

      According to this article, the defendant was sentenced for aggravated battery.

      Did he actually commit aggravated battery?
      Sorry didn't you know the First Amendment only applies if you are not insulting someone in power or some minority.

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        Re: Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years

        Let me get this straight. He voiced a unpopular opinion in public, some asshole policemen chased him for it (why?), and one of the asshole policemen was stupid enough to get hit by a bus? And the man exercising his free speech is responsible? Please tell me I'm missing something.

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          Re: Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years

          Originally posted by Slon View Post
          Let me get this straight. He voiced a unpopular opinion in public, some asshole policemen chased him for it (why?), and one of the asshole policemen was stupid enough to get hit by a bus? And the man exercising his free speech is responsible? Please tell me I'm missing something.
          I found something which may explain the initial attempt at arrest:


          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1583281.html

          It appears that Mr. Kopycinski spat in the mayor's general direction. Police officers requested identification.

          I did find the Illinois statute which deals with aggravated battery. I also found that it can carry a penalty from three to five years. (Mr. Kopycinski is getting three years.)

          Illinois General Assembly - Illinois Compiled Statutes

          See if you can find how this statute could actually apply to the incident as related in either linked article.
          Last edited by Steerpike; 06-10-2012, 12:55 PM.

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            Re: Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years

            Originally posted by Steerpike View Post
            I found something which may explain the initial attempt at arrest:


            Janusz Kopycinski, Daley Heckler, Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison (VIDEO)

            It appears that Mr. Kopycinski spat in the mayor's general direction. Police officers requested identification.

            I did find the Illinois statute which deals with aggravated battery. I also found that it can carry a penalty from three to five years. (Mr. Kopycinski is getting three years.)

            Illinois General Assembly - Illinois Compiled Statutes

            See if you can find how this statute could actually apply to the incident as related in either linked article.
            It's a long read. I'm not really in the mood. However, if he did spit at him, I can see how that can validate the arrest. But I still don't see how it validates holding him responsible for the cop's injuries. If someone drives 56 in a 55 MPH zone, a cop chases him and drives off a cliff and dies by mistake, it's the speeder's fault for murdering him? That's what the reasoning behind this would imply.

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              Re: Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years

              Yes I can see how he would be charged with aggravated battery.

              All it would really require is that he squirmed a little bit while the police were effecting their arrest and in so doing his actions led to the cop being in a position to be struck by the bus.

              I very much hope justice is done here.

              Even if that means this guy is completly exhonerated of all charges.

              But this isn't a case of a guy's 1A rights being infringed on.

              Kopycinski is clearly a piece of shit.

              From yelling profanities in a public setting, to spitting on people, to fleeing from police, to his previous charge of battery against a police officer, to this most recent charge, we're not talking about a fine, upstanding citizen being taken advantage of because he said something the cops didn't like.

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                Re: Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years

                Originally posted by soot View Post
                Yes I can see how he would be charged with aggravated battery.

                All it would really require is that he squirmed a little bit while the police were effecting their arrest and in so doing his actions led to the cop being in a position to be struck by the bus.

                I very much hope justice is done here.

                Even if that means this guy is completly exhonerated of all charges.

                But this isn't a case of a guy's 1A rights being infringed on.

                Kopycinski is clearly a piece of shit.

                From yelling profanities in a public setting, to spitting on people, to fleeing from police, to his previous charge of battery against a police officer, to this most recent charge, we're not talking about a fine, upstanding citizen being taken advantage of because he said something the cops didn't like.
                His wrongdoing appears to have started when he presumably hit Daley with his spit. However, I don't see how it is reasonable to hold him responsible for a cop getting hit by a bus unless he pushed him into it or something.

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                  It's the cop's fault. Not his. He wasn't the one being careless with his actions. The cop did this to himself and has no one to blame but himself.

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                    Re: Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years

                    Originally posted by Slon View Post
                    His wrongdoing appears to have started when he presumably hit Daley with his spit. However, I don't see how it is reasonable to hold him responsible for a cop getting hit by a bus unless he pushed him into it or something.
                    He fled so subsequently when the officer gave chase it was because the suspect was in the process of fleeing the scene. That is why the individual was help responsible for the death of the officer, and in the example you cited above, yes if an officer is chasing an individual who either flees the scene or refuses to surrender, they absolutely can be held responsible both in civil and criminal proceedings for subsequent harm that takes place to an officer or innocent bystanders dependent on the circumstances.

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                      Re: Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years

                      Originally posted by Slon View Post
                      His wrongdoing appears to have started when he presumably hit Daley with his spit. However, I don't see how it is reasonable to hold him responsible for a cop getting hit by a bus unless he pushed him into it or something.
                      Neither linked article indicated that anyone was hit with the spit.

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                        Re: Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years

                        Originally posted by Chloe View Post
                        He fled so subsequently when the officer gave chase it was because the suspect was in the process of fleeing the scene. That is why the individual was help responsible for the death of the officer, and in the example you cited above, yes if an officer is chasing an individual who either flees the scene or refuses to surrender, they absolutely can be held responsible both in civil and criminal proceedings for subsequent harm that takes place to an officer or innocent bystanders dependent on the circumstances.

                        Sounds pretty unjust to me. Someone speeds, keeps going, a few dumbass cops drive off a cliff and it's his fault for "murdering" them.

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                          Re: Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years

                          The young feller was taught a lesson. Be respectful to those in power. If not, they will find a way to give you 3 years in prison. Kinda like living in the old USSR.

                          I get a bit bothered each time I see cops giving chase on tv, at high speeds, endangering the public. Many times the guy trying to lose the cops has no drivers license or insurance. Few times is the fleeing man a serious threat to society. The pursuing cops are though. I wonder how many americans have lost their lives or incurred serious injury from some cop chasing a guy at double the speed limit? The cops are putting the public in danger each time that they do this. And most police depts. could really give a shit.

                          To protect and to serve? But I have to be honest here and admit that I have disliked cops since they went to war against americans, and started dressing for that job in outfits and weapons that should only be worn and used in places like afganistan. We have become what we used to hate. And what we have spent american lives on to stop.

                          Policing has been turned into nothing more than a profit driven organization, used by the states to fund gov't. We call it american justice. Today in my own area, the cops are working double time to provide the income our poor state needs to make ends meet. This is the reality of it.

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                            Re: Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years

                            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                            The young feller was taught a lesson. Be respectful to those in power. If not, they will find a way to give you 3 years in prison. Kinda like living in the old USSR.

                            I get a bit bothered each time I see cops giving chase on tv, at high speeds, endangering the public. Many times the guy trying to lose the cops has no drivers license or insurance. Few times is the fleeing man a serious threat to society. The pursuing cops are though. I wonder how many americans have lost their lives or incurred serious injury from some cop chasing a guy at double the speed limit? The cops are putting the public in danger each time that they do this. And most police depts. could really give a shit.

                            To protect and to serve? But I have to be honest here and admit that I have disliked cops since they went to war against americans, and started dressing for that job in outfits and weapons that should only be worn and used in places like afganistan. We have become what we used to hate. And what we have spent american lives on to stop.

                            Policing has been turned into nothing more than a profit driven organization, used by the states to fund gov't. We call it american justice. Today in my own area, the cops are working double time to provide the income our poor state needs to make ends meet. This is the reality of it.
                            So what are you saying? Cops should just let people run away if they drive REALLY fast? That kind of sets a bad example don't you think?

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                              Re: Man who swore at Mayor Daley, got cop hurt in chase gets 3 years

                              Originally posted by Slon View Post
                              Sounds pretty unjust to me. Someone speeds, keeps going, a few dumbass cops drive off a cliff and it's his fault for "murdering" them.
                              If it was unrelated to the chase then it wouldn't be chargeable, but if he refuses to pull over then he engages the chase to start with, so he is rightfully held accountable. But that is pretty much settled and rarely challenged...what is usually far more prevalent are cases involving convictions based on intent. For example, if you lent your car to someone who was not insured to drive it, and he then subsequently sped off instead of pulling over when stopped, you would be charged with felony murder if a cop died in the same situation and he was convicted with intent. It is pending in front of the high court but because felony murder is one of the few statues available to prosecutors based on culpability when it comes to either conspiracy or negligent or negligible culpability you may well be charged more severely as a co conspirator or accomplice, with or without intent, than the person who was driving the car at the time.

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