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  • The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

    Maybe we should be looking here and not at guns. Too many kids legally drugged

    Since last months horrifying and heartbreaking school massacre in Newtown, Conn., politicians and the press have, as everyone knows, been totally obsessed with firearms.

    Indeed, President Obama has vowed to impose strong new gun-control measures on the nation very soon, with or without Congress.

    Other possible factors from violent video games to the failure of our mental-health system to the unintended consequences of making schools gun-free zones have taken a back seat to guns. Within hours of the gruesome mega-crime, the media had provided extensive, round-the-clock coverage of precisely which firearms, manufacturers and calibers the perpetrator had used, how he had obtained them from his mother, where they were originally purchased, and so on.

    But where, Id like to ask my colleagues in the media, is the reporting about the psychiatric medications the perpetrator who had been under treatment for mental-health problems may have been taking? After all, Mark and Louise Tambascio, family friends of the shooter and his mother, were interviewed on CBS 60 Minutes, during which Louise Tambascio told correspondent Scott Pelley: I know he was on medication and everything, but she homeschooled him at home cause he couldnt deal with the school classes sometimes, so she just homeschooled Adam at home. And that was her life. And here, Tambascio tells ABC News, I knew he was on medication, but thats all I know.
    KommonCents: The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting…what drugs?

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    Re: The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

    Not surprising that psychoactive drugs may be contributing factor in this and other teenager / you adult shooting sprees.

    Also not surprising that it's not being covered by the Lame Stream Media. It's off message.

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      Re: The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

      The number of kids on drugs for so called learning disorders is stupendous. Others are on drugs for things like bi polar disorders as my wife had several kids in alternitve school on those. Some of these drugs are the new generation anti depressive agents, and even have warnings on them of suicidal behavior and other bothersome side effects.

      The most popular drug for kids with attention problems seems to be amphetimine type drugs like Adderal and Ritlin, which can be abused and have the same dangerous side effects as crystal meth, especially when you stay up for days and lose sleep.

      But all of this drug useage today has me scratching my head. Oldman, you can recall kids in school years ago when we were in school, but good grief, never in such numbers as you see today, with these learning disorders and behavioral problems. I recall a scant few hyperactive kids, but I do recall them. And I can recall a few kids that were slow learners but they were not out of control as my wife's students have been before she retired from teaching.

      Some parents are just too apt to medicate their kids, and I have personally seen this over the last 20 years, with it growing exponentially over the years. Like the higher cases of autism it just makes you wonder what in the world is going on! Why such great changes in the kids? There has to be reasons for it.

      My oldest daughter has one step child, and 3 kids of her own. The step child( hey he's just as much my grandkid as my other grandkids to me) is on adderal for ADD. And both my son in law and daughter literally hated agreeing to put him on it. But this stuff actually worked for him. Without it, he cannot keep his mind on learning, and once they finally gave in and agreed to put him on it, he went from failing every subject to passing every subject. In the summers, they take him off of it completely, although he is easier to manage if he stays on it. So, they just put up with the hyperactive behavior. But we are all worried about future possible unwanted side effects.

      In regards to the young man who murdered all of those children, after killing his mom, it makes one wonder if she was taking his mental problems seriously. If I had a kid on meds, especially meds prescribed for him by a shrink, those guns would have been locked in a place that he could not get to. A simple preventitive action would have saved her life as well as those other lives he took. If a parent doesn't know there is something bad wrong with their kid, they must not be paying close attention, IMO. A good rule of thumb is if you have kids on mental drugs, don't leave the guns accessible at all! I would hope the media would at least cover this, and warn parents that their precious little Johnny might be a dangerous human. It might go a long way in saving lives going into the future.

      My parents would have picked up any odd behaviour from me and my siblings because they actually paid us a lot of notice. I was the same with my kids. I watched them like hawks until they left home and started their own families. I would have known if there was something not quite right with em.

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        Re: The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

        This thread = bingo.

        On so many levels. Obviously other variables are at work as well, but these psychiatric medications are a big part of it in my opinion.

        And Blue Doggy, excellent post.

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          Re: The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

          There are legitimate studies that claim that we are an over medicated population. A quick Google reveals many hits, top among them are:

          Allen Frances: America Is Over Diagnosed and Over Medicated

          The most overmedicated state in the U.S. is West Virginia - NY Daily News

          That being said, the amount and number of artificial ingredients in our feed supply has also significantly risen between before and now. May have an influence, may not. Don't know about that.

          Lastly, I recall a display on population and behavior in the Toronto Science Center when I was a wee lad. A closed environment with a population of rats. Plenty of food and water, plenty of living spaces and burrows for them, but when the population reached a certain level, the rats started to kill each other off, stopped reproducing, etc. until the population level fell off. You suppose that this may have something to do with it as well? Hardly an excuse, as Europe has a similar standard of living, yet we have far more space, and you don't read about too many mad gunmen running around over there.

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          • #6
            Re: The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

            This is an area that needs a lot more attention. We know that our sewage/wastewater treatment systems can't cope with the drugs & pollutants flushed down the toilets & industrial wastes dumped into the sewers. There are more & more electrical fields, radio signals, microwaves & on & on all around us, all of the time. Our meat & agricultural foods are massively dosed with penicillin derivatives, other antibiotics, BGH, our crops have GM stitched in - Roundup ready crops, GM corn, irradiated spices & so on.

            The incidence of cancer is skyrocketing in the West - especially among children - who used - 1900s - not to get cancers @ all. We have more & more industrial micropollution - dusts, fine-grain powders, tiny shards of lint, plastics, fiberglass - which all contribute to lung problems.

            Yep, there are lots of issues to look @ - & not much time left to be effective in. A good place to start would be to consider scientific studies within their own limitations, rather than reading outside agendas into studies & their results.

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            • #7
              Re: The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

              Originally posted by hoosier88 View Post
              This is an area that needs a lot more attention. We know that our sewage/wastewater treatment systems can't cope with the drugs & pollutants flushed down the toilets & industrial wastes dumped into the sewers. There are more & more electrical fields, radio signals, microwaves & on & on all around us, all of the time. Our meat & agricultural foods are massively dosed with penicillin derivatives, other antibiotics, BGH, our crops have GM stitched in - Roundup ready crops, GM corn, irradiated spices & so on.

              The incidence of cancer is skyrocketing in the West - especially among children - who used - 1900s - not to get cancers @ all. We have more & more industrial micropollution - dusts, fine-grain powders, tiny shards of lint, plastics, fiberglass - which all contribute to lung problems.

              Yep, there are lots of issues to look @ - & not much time left to be effective in. A good place to start would be to consider scientific studies within their own limitations, rather than reading outside agendas into studies & their results.
              I agree. Let's do the studies, announce the results, report the news and cut the hell out of the commentary and Media skewing the news with their opinions.

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              • #8
                Re: The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

                If legal drugs are over-used, shouldnt we then see a whole lot of school shootings?

                I just dont buy the premise. Its the same with blaming violent video games. Everyone in here, raise your hand if youve ever played a violent video game or seen a violent action movie? Now we got a lot of hands in the air. Now, everyone who has never shot up a school or gone on a killing spree, hands down. My guess is that the number of hands in the air is now zero.

                If these things are such a big issue and a direct cause of this, the the vast amount of users (drugs, video games, rap music, take your pick) would imply that we should see a hell of a lot more of these incidents.

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                • #9
                  Re: The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

                  Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                  In regards to the young man who murdered all of those children, after killing his mom, it makes one wonder if she was taking his mental problems seriously. If I had a kid on meds, especially meds prescribed for him by a shrink, those guns would have been locked in a place that he could not get to. A simple preventitive action would have saved her life as well as those other lives he took. If a parent doesn't know there is something bad wrong with their kid, they must not be paying close attention, IMO. A good rule of thumb is if you have kids on mental drugs, don't leave the guns accessible at all! I would hope the media would at least cover this, and warn parents that their precious little Johnny might be a dangerous human. It might go a long way in saving lives going into the future.
                  Bingo! Why did this kid have access to guns, when he was known to have mental problems?

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                  • #10
                    Re: The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

                    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                    The number of kids on drugs for so called learning disorders is stupendous. Others are on drugs for things like bi polar disorders as my wife had several kids in alternitve school on those. Some of these drugs are the new generation anti depressive agents, and even have warnings on them of suicidal behavior and other bothersome side effects.

                    The most popular drug for kids with attention problems seems to be amphetimine type drugs like Adderal and Ritlin, which can be abused and have the same dangerous side effects as crystal meth, especially when you stay up for days and lose sleep.

                    But all of this drug useage today has me scratching my head. Oldman, you can recall kids in school years ago when we were in school, but good grief, never in such numbers as you see today, with these learning disorders and behavioral problems. I recall a scant few hyperactive kids, but I do recall them. And I can recall a few kids that were slow learners but they were not out of control as my wife's students have been before she retired from teaching.

                    Some parents are just too apt to medicate their kids, and I have personally seen this over the last 20 years, with it growing exponentially over the years. Like the higher cases of autism it just makes you wonder what in the world is going on! Why such great changes in the kids? There has to be reasons for it.

                    My oldest daughter has one step child, and 3 kids of her own. The step child( hey he's just as much my grandkid as my other grandkids to me) is on adderal for ADD. And both my son in law and daughter literally hated agreeing to put him on it. But this stuff actually worked for him. Without it, he cannot keep his mind on learning, and once they finally gave in and agreed to put him on it, he went from failing every subject to passing every subject. In the summers, they take him off of it completely, although he is easier to manage if he stays on it. So, they just put up with the hyperactive behavior. But we are all worried about future possible unwanted side effects.

                    In regards to the young man who murdered all of those children, after killing his mom, it makes one wonder if she was taking his mental problems seriously. If I had a kid on meds, especially meds prescribed for him by a shrink, those guns would have been locked in a place that he could not get to. A simple preventitive action would have saved her life as well as those other lives he took. If a parent doesn't know there is something bad wrong with their kid, they must not be paying close attention, IMO. A good rule of thumb is if you have kids on mental drugs, don't leave the guns accessible at all! I would hope the media would at least cover this, and warn parents that their precious little Johnny might be a dangerous human. It might go a long way in saving lives going into the future.

                    My parents would have picked up any odd behaviour from me and my siblings because they actually paid us a lot of notice. I was the same with my kids. I watched them like hawks until they left home and started their own families. I would have known if there was something not quite right with em.
                    Lanza'a mother Nancy was a doomsday prepper. So Adam's mental illness was probably hereditary.

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                    • #11
                      Re: The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

                      Originally posted by Maddox View Post
                      If legal drugs are over-used, shouldnt we then see a whole lot of school shootings?

                      I just dont buy the premise. Its the same with blaming violent video games. Everyone in here, raise your hand if youve ever played a violent video game or seen a violent action movie? Now we got a lot of hands in the air. Now, everyone who has never shot up a school or gone on a killing spree, hands down. My guess is that the number of hands in the air is now zero.

                      If these things are such a big issue and a direct cause of this, the the vast amount of users (drugs, video games, rap music, take your pick) would imply that we should see a hell of a lot more of these incidents.
                      Everyone here who has ever shot a gun, raise your hand. OK, now everyone who has never shot up a school or gone on a killing spree, hands down.

                      Whatever.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

                        Are you honestly surprised people are focusing on guns after a terrible gun related crime OMD?
                        I'd expect the same sort of response if there was a rash of deaths due to speeding.
                        You may have differing views to me on gun laws but simply ignoring the gun aspect is odd indeed.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

                          Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                          Are you honestly surprised people are focusing on guns after a terrible gun related crime OMD?
                          I'd expect the same sort of response if there was a rash of deaths due to speeding.
                          You may have differing views to me on gun laws but simply ignoring the gun aspect is odd indeed.
                          Why not focus on the drug use too? It too is a common thread to these shootings. We have had guns all of my life but not the rampant drug use we have now. As I said before, when I was young we had as many guns but not the shootings. What changed? It wasn't the availability of guns.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

                            Originally posted by Bfgrn View Post
                            Lanza'a mother Nancy was a doomsday prepper. So Adam's mental illness was probably hereditary.
                            That's a point I've raised as well. She may not have had the mental capacity to realize the danger she was in. Ironic that she was preparing for some kind of outside doomsday scenario (to what extent, I don't know), but she failed to prepare for the posibility that her own loved one, living under her own roof, could do her harm.

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                            Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                            Are you honestly surprised people are focusing on guns after a terrible gun related crime OMD?
                            I'd expect the same sort of response if there was a rash of deaths due to speeding.
                            You may have differing views to me on gun laws but simply ignoring the gun aspect is odd indeed.
                            I think we've had enough threads on the gun aspect. Personally, I'd like to talk about the other aspects.

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                              Re: The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

                              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                              Why not focus on the drug use too? It too is a common thread to these shootings. We have had guns all of my life but not the rampant drug use we have now. As I said before, when I was young we had as many guns but not the shootings. What changed? It wasn't the availability of guns.
                              The substances may have changed but their has always been a drug problem.
                              The reason for the focus on guns is because of the immediacy of guns and that with a gun I can kill many people quickly with ease.

                              As a gun supporter you are doing all you can to deflect from the issue but I honestly think this time we will see a change and the debate will start to swing towards sensible gun control.

                              I'm not sure about the drug issue as I'm not a drug user but I know people who use cannabis but suffer no ill effects. I'd maybe legalise some and tax them and use the money generated to fund clinics for treating those who use the harder stuff but I realise this is not universally popular.

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