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  • A reason for being disbarred!

    Possibly the most ridiculous defense claim ever made but a lawyer named Gordon Brown (yes, it must be something associated with that name) claims that an alleged rapist found his DNA on the inside of a woman's genitals because wind from a helicopter arriving at the scene may have blown DNA from his beer glass towards the victim in question and her nether region. And the whole crime scene, to boot, too. Now it is perfectly understandable that with the force of a chopper and all the force it has, that such a small amount of DNA would find its way from a beer can / glass could manifest its way all over onto the entire location where several men gang raped a woman. Right? Of course not...you would to be mentally retarded to believe that. And of course it is no surprise some rapist would come by such a stupid theory to excuse his own deviancy. However a defense attorney to agree to representing that in court as a plausible theory for DNA contamination is another.

    Aside from the fact that several other men already plead guilty to rape / burglary / forcible with an object / assault charges etc, and the fact that there were nearly 20 witnesses who saw and witnessed men running off and were so shocked at her state they assumed her to be dead, the biggest failure of this idiotic defense is that the victim will now be forced to testify in the case. As if she hadn't gone through enough, she will now have to go, into graphic detail what happened to her, but within all that i am sure she can give a detailed description of this bastard and testify to things that can be verified which no "gush of wind from a chopper to a beer can" could ever account for. Like details of his groin / abdomen / genitals / physical presence / texture of palms / hands and unless this defendant plans on practically mutilating himself, he needs to prepare for spending the rest of his life behind bars. A plea deal may have shaved a year or two off, but he deserves life, for the barbaric actions alone but also for re-traumatizing this poor woman all over again by having her need to take the stand go through this ordeal with the jury and then lock him up some more for the sheer stupidity of his defense.

    Breeze blamed: Gang rape defendant claims wind carried DNA from beer can to condom | Fox News

    Now this is all assuming this scumbag presented the idea as such for an explanation ; however this sounds more like a shoddy defense where compromised crime scenes etc are common place. But this one is so short sighted for the reasons stated above that if it is indeed the case that Gordon Brown thought up such stupidity he really should be disbarred.

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    Re: A reason for being disbarred!

    Yeah...both defendant and attorney need to spend a little time some place where the can have an intimate study of DNA transfers.

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    • #3
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      You have to admit, at least it was very creative bullshit. Gordon Brown seems to have put some thought into this helicopter induced airborne DNA transfer defense.

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        Re: A reason for being disbarred!

        Some of the info was sketchy but this guy is actually claiming that not only did the DNA get blown here there and everywhere but that it somehow managed to make it from his beer swig to the inside of the fucking condom that was used.

        Surely, surely the judge will hold the attorney in contempt.

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        • #5
          Re: A reason for being disbarred!

          Shakespeare was right. In what he said about lawyers. At least when it comes to Mr. Brown.

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            Re: A reason for being disbarred!

            Originally posted by Chloe View Post
            Possibly the most ridiculous defense claim ever made but a lawyer named Gordon Brown (yes, it must be something associated with that name) claims that an alleged rapist found his DNA on the inside of a woman's genitals because wind from a helicopter arriving at the scene may have blown DNA from his beer glass towards the victim in question and her nether region. And the whole crime scene, to boot, too. Now it is perfectly understandable that with the force of a chopper and all the force it has, that such a small amount of DNA would find its way from a beer can / glass could manifest its way all over onto the entire location where several men gang raped a woman. Right? Of course not...you would to be mentally retarded to believe that. And of course it is no surprise some rapist would come by such a stupid theory to excuse his own deviancy. However a defense attorney to agree to representing that in court as a plausible theory for DNA contamination is another.

            Aside from the fact that several other men already plead guilty to rape / burglary / forcible with an object / assault charges etc, and the fact that there were nearly 20 witnesses who saw and witnessed men running off and were so shocked at her state they assumed her to be dead, the biggest failure of this idiotic defense is that the victim will now be forced to testify in the case. As if she hadn't gone through enough, she will now have to go, into graphic detail what happened to her, but within all that i am sure she can give a detailed description of this bastard and testify to things that can be verified which no "gush of wind from a chopper to a beer can" could ever account for. Like details of his groin / abdomen / genitals / physical presence / texture of palms / hands and unless this defendant plans on practically mutilating himself, he needs to prepare for spending the rest of his life behind bars. A plea deal may have shaved a year or two off, but he deserves life, for the barbaric actions alone but also for re-traumatizing this poor woman all over again by having her need to take the stand go through this ordeal with the jury and then lock him up some more for the sheer stupidity of his defense.

            Breeze blamed: Gang rape defendant claims wind carried DNA from beer can to condom | Fox News

            Now this is all assuming this scumbag presented the idea as such for an explanation ; however this sounds more like a shoddy defense where compromised crime scenes etc are common place. But this one is so short sighted for the reasons stated above that if it is indeed the case that Gordon Brown thought up such stupidity he really should be disbarred.
            Here’s the real story: Defense: Wind could have transferred defendant's DNA to used condom in Richmond gang rape - San Jose Mercury News
            Gordon Brown, representing defendant Marcelles Peter, who was a teenager charged as an adult shortly after the Oct. 24, 2009, attack involving as many as 20 young male perpetrators, suggested that wind could have transferred his client's DNA from a beer can to a broken used condom found in a campus courtyard where the girl was abused for up to 2½ hours. He also suggested that police officers trampling through the crime scene could have compromised evidence.
            The defense is just as silly, but there’s of course no helicopter involved. Please reserve Fox News for the funny papers.

            The transfer of DNA is not an uncommon defense and neither is police material interference. Disbarred? No, just - sent home.

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              Re: A reason for being disbarred!

              Originally posted by Blue Doggy
              In what he said about lawyers. At least when it comes to Mr. Brown.
              But not all of us.

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                Re: A reason for being disbarred!

                Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                The defense is just as silly, but there’s of course no helicopter involved. Please reserve Fox News for the funny papers.
                Helicopter was the air evacuation to get the victim to hospital.

                Gordon Brown, Peter's attorney, told jurors Monday that wind from the helicopter could have compromised evidence at the scene and carried Peter's DNA from a beer can to a broken used condom found in the courtyard, according to the Contra Costa Times. Brown was not immediately available for comment when contacted Tuesday by FoxNews.com.
                The transfer of DNA is not an uncommon defense and neither is police material interference.
                From a beer can into a condom, it is.

                Disbarred? No, just - sent home.
                I differ on this but sent home at the very least. I find his defense to be frivolous but i am not the judge so i suppose it his call to make.

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                  Re: A reason for being disbarred!

                  I met what might have been the dumbest lawyer in Maryland in 2002. One of my firefighters had separated from her physically abusive douchebag husband, and the crap stain showed up at he firehouse looking for her. While she had a protective order. Bad idea.

                  Long story short, he left the property in the back of a police car. I got called to testify, since I was the officer in charge a the station an the one who talked the moron (and kept the shift guys from beating his ass like a kettle drum).

                  So we get to court, and his attorney says "My client did not contact his wife. He only attempted to contact her." The judge then says "counselor, you do realize that the order forbids your client from any contact or attempt to contact?"

                  Convicted, and sent to jail, in part because his attorney was as stupid as he was.

                  I left shaking my head. The Prosecutor was speechless.

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                    Re: A reason for being disbarred!

                    Right, just a complete lack of knowledge of the order and statute. In that case though, i don't believe the guy as trying to destroy the court's credibility / the entire proceeding, he was just totally inept at his job.

                    Gordon Brown on the other hand probably has some accountability for basically trying to turn a very very serious crime (perhaps the worst for any woman who is the victim), into a circus act! Frivolous was the wrong word above but maybe he has a defense that is, IMO, injudicious with court and defense etiquette. Not sure if CA is a state where you need to show defense proceedings to the prosecution pre-trial as to what your motives and intent are for a judge to rule on admissibility but if that is the case then the prosecution should move to have this defense quashed for the purpose of trying to avoid additional injuries and infliction of pain on the victim, aside of the 6th amendment rights of the accused. She was a minor at the time so i figure precaution should be used.

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                      Re: A reason for being disbarred!

                      Jet75, having read through the article, it quotes Gordon Brown, too. Says that he claims win may have caused it but looking through further articles and pre-trial disclosures and motions including official court records, it does seem to indicate, as he has been quoted to say, that the defense he is giving is that the state is responsible due to the wind being generated by the helicopter.

                      Given that the Medivac was to get the victim to ER, to blame that, is even more repulsive and repugnant.

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                        Re: A reason for being disbarred!

                        Originally posted by Chloe View Post
                        Jet75, having read through the article, it quotes Gordon Brown, too. Says that he claims win may have caused it but looking through further articles and pre-trial disclosures and motions including official court records, it does seem to indicate, as he has been quoted to say, that the defense he is giving is that the state is responsible due to the wind being generated by the helicopter.

                        Given that the Medivac was to get the victim to ER, to blame that, is even more repulsive and repugnant.
                        I missed that; I stand corrected.

                        I still don't like Fox News though.

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                          Re: A reason for being disbarred!

                          Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                          Here’s the real story: Defense: Wind could have transferred defendant's DNA to used condom in Richmond gang rape - San Jose Mercury News


                          The defense is just as silly, but there’s of course no helicopter involved. Please reserve Fox News for the funny papers.

                          The transfer of DNA is not an uncommon defense and neither is police material interference. Disbarred? No, just - sent home.
                          With all due respect, what is the material difference between the story you linked to and the one from Fox as it applies to the OP?

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                            Re: A reason for being disbarred!

                            Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
                            With all due respect, what is the material difference between the story you linked to and the one from Fox as it applies to the OP?
                            I always double check material from right-wing sources. Most often, I find that the differences are remarkable in their naratives. This tmie however, I was too quick and didn't look carefully at the Mercury News source.

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                              Re: A reason for being disbarred!

                              Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                              You have to admit, at least it was very creative bullshit.
                              But it does waste the court's time and on such a serious issue of gang rape it puts the victim through more unnecessary trauma.

                              Gordon Brown seems to have put some thought into this helicopter induced airborne DNA transfer defense.
                              I searched the entire archives of the Brown tenure as PM of the UK and honestly i couldn't find a think to match for wit in regards to him commissioning a new "DNA" fleet of jets or choppers anything. In fact airborne transfer is something that didn't even leave his lips once.

                              I tried.

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