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  • #91
    Re: Knockout, because it is funny

    Well I'll go out on a limb and say I support the death penalty for any person that attacks someone from behind with the intent to knock them out because this is attempted murder. A person not expecting to be hit is not prepared (nor should they have to be) to defend themselves and also these cowards are hitting old people and woman. I don't care what their excuse is, an example has to be made, and the "game" will end.

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    • #92
      Re: Knockout, because it is funny

      Originally posted by American1984 View Post
      Well I'll go out on a limb and say I support the death penalty for any person that attacks someone from behind with the intent to knock them out because this is attempted murder. A person not expecting to be hit is not prepared (nor should they have to be) to defend themselves and also these cowards are hitting old people and woman. I don't care what their excuse is, an example has to be made, and the "game" will end.
      I wouldn't impose the death penalty on anyone, but if the person playing the knockout game killed that person, life without parole would suffice.

      You know, it takes a morally bankrupt person to indulge in such games. Perhaps we should copy some of the far eastern nations and cane these guys, publically. Or lash their backs with a whip. And allow the victim the chance to do the lashing. After you trained him well with the bullwhip.

      That might be cruel and unusual punishment, but I think we are in a dire need of it. The threat of jail doesn't seem to help much. Physical pain is a great teacher. A good punishment like this was used for much of our history on this earth. It was used perhaps because it worked better than anything else we tried.

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      • #93
        Re: Knockout, because it is funny

        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
        I wouldn't impose the death penalty on anyone, but if the person playing the knockout game killed that person, life without parole would suffice.

        You know, it takes a morally bankrupt person to indulge in such games. Perhaps we should copy some of the far eastern nations and cane these guys, publically. Or lash their backs with a whip. And allow the victim the chance to do the lashing. After you trained him well with the bullwhip.

        That might be cruel and unusual punishment, but I think we are in a dire need of it. The threat of jail doesn't seem to help much. Physical pain is a great teacher. A good punishment like this was used for much of our history on this earth. It was used perhaps because it worked better than anything else we tried.
        So do you have any evidence to show that things were better in the past as a result of this?

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        • #94
          Re: Knockout, because it is funny

          This crap happened in the past the only real difference is in some cases the thugs (andd freinds) tape themselves doing it. There are a lot of cameras out there now compared to the good old days.

          When I was a youth a lot of this crap got swept under the rug with "Boys will be boys".

          Remember "wilding" of 20-30 years ago, a gang of youths runs through an area on a ramapge attack passersby for no good reason.

          How about the story of "The Good Samaritan"? The unique situation is present there because the Samaritans were violent bastards who usually attacked, robbed, and murdered people they didn't know.

          Thugs are a story as old a civilization, they are just making themselves easier to catch in some cases.

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          • #95
            Re: Knockout, because it is funny

            Originally posted by American1984 View Post
            Well I'll go out on a limb and say I support the death penalty for any person that attacks someone from behind with the intent to knock them out because this is attempted murder.
            It's not really attempted murder is it ? Attempted murder is when you, well you know attempt to murder someone. That's why it's called attempted murder......

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            • #96
              Re: Knockout, because it is funny

              Originally posted by Agentorange View Post
              It's not really attempted murder is it ? Attempted murder is when you, well you know attempt to murder someone. That's why it's called attempted murder......
              if I were to purposefully shoot you in the top of your knee I would be charged with attempted murder. Same principle really.

              You might drop it to attempted manslaughter

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              • #97
                Re: Knockout, because it is funny

                Why would be charged with attempted murder ? if all you do is injure my knee and you state " I was just trying to injure his knee " Then how have you attempted to murder ie kill me ?

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                • #98
                  Re: Knockout, because it is funny

                  Originally posted by Agentorange View Post
                  Why would be charged with attempted murder ? if all you do is injure my knee and you state " I was just trying to injure his knee " Then how have you attempted to murder ie kill me ?
                  shooting someone above the knee is classified as attempted murder. For the reason why I suggest you look up Femoral artery

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                  • #99
                    Re: Knockout, because it is funny

                    Originally posted by reality View Post
                    shooting someone above the knee is classified as attempted murder. For the reason why I suggest you look up Femoral artery
                    So....if I get hit below the knee, bleed out and die that's not as bad as being hit above the knee and possibly only suffering something as minimal as a graze ? Seems rather odd to me.

                    Every definition I've ever seen gives murder as a premeditated act ie with malice aforethought etc etc, with intent to kill someone. If I don't intend to kill you how can it be murder ? Manslaughter certainly ( do you have manslaughter in the states or is it 2nd/3rd degree murder and so on ? )

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                    • Re: Knockout, because it is funny

                      Originally posted by Agentorange View Post
                      So....if I get hit below the knee, bleed out and die that's not as bad as being hit above the knee and possibly only suffering something as minimal as a graze ? Seems rather odd to me.

                      Every definition I've ever seen gives murder as a premeditated act ie with malice aforethought etc etc, with intent to kill someone. If I don't intend to kill you how can it be murder ? Manslaughter certainly ( do you have manslaughter in the states or is it 2nd/3rd degree murder and so on ? )
                      If you get hit below the knee and bleed out its still a homicide charge which can range from 1st degree/capital murder to 2nd to voluntary and involuntary manslaughter depending on how good your lawyer is, how good the prosecutor is, evidence, deals etc.
                      But if you shoot someone above the knee you are considered to have intended to kill them. You'll get charged with homicide if they die and attempted if they survive. Just what sort it ends up being depends on the things I mentioned above. Capitol murder does indeed require the mens rea or vicious will which is generally applied if its premeditated but not necessarily restricted to that.

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                      • Re: Knockout, because it is funny

                        Originally posted by Slon View Post
                        So do you have any evidence to show that things were better in the past as a result of this?
                        If you could find stats for school violence, public school, K-12, starting at the 1930 mark, I am certain you would see that paddling asses made for less unruly and violent kids.

                        But it mostly just basic common sense. You do this, you get some physical pain as the results of your unacceptable action. I pissed on an electric fence when I was 10, and the experience made me think twice about doing it again. Same principle. It works. When puppies are small if they nip the mother too hard, she doses out a little pain, as a teaching aid. Works in the animal world and the human world. Say you get into a fight with a guy you have been picking on, and he finally yields and give you a great little ass whipping, totally dominating you, and hurt you pretty bad in the process. If you go and pick on him after that, something is wrong mentally with you. Or you just love getting your ass whipped.

                        First time I ever fed a horse an apple when I was a small kid, I didn't know to give it to him from the palm, with the hand arched back. And so he bit the stew out of my little fingers. Pain, learn. Pain, learn. It has always been natures best teacher and all higher life forms seem to use it. And yeah, I know some of the more primitive people, like the Amerindians perhaps didn't use pain as a teaching aid, but the kids were still taught by nature, using pain.

                        A little pain has always been one of the best teaching aids, and its natural. While in boot camp if one single guy really screwed up, the entire company was punished. And boot c camp back when I was in was already a type of punishment, just being there. LOL. When this happened in my company in boot camp, the guy that screwed up got the old soap bar in the sock routine after lights out. I refused to partiscipate, but 8 guys had no trouble. They grabbed his sheet as he was on the top bunk, pulled in down with their weight on the 4 corners, and the other 4 went to town. It was actually quite cruel, but that kid never screwed up again. The thing is, our company commander kinda suggested it by telling the company how such things were handled when he was in boot camp years before. He didn't tell anyone to do it, but it was inevitable, after we took the punishment for this one guy messing up badly. Yeah, I have seen it work my entire life.....pain as a teaching tool.

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                        • Re: Knockout, because it is funny

                          Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                          This crap happened in the past the only real difference is in some cases the thugs (andd freinds) tape themselves doing it. There are a lot of cameras out there now compared to the good old days.

                          When I was a youth a lot of this crap got swept under the rug with "Boys will be boys".

                          Remember "wilding" of 20-30 years ago, a gang of youths runs through an area on a ramapge attack passersby for no good reason.

                          How about the story of "The Good Samaritan"? The unique situation is present there because the Samaritans were violent bastards who usually attacked, robbed, and murdered people they didn't know.

                          Thugs are a story as old a civilization, they are just making themselves easier to catch in some cases.
                          Absolutely agree. Thugs are as old as civilization, and a product of civilization, along with so many other ill behaviors.

                          But the degree of thuggery varies, with it never completely going away. Same with morality, it cycles, and is always in degrees. Sometimes better, sometimes worse. My youth saw a greater morality generally speaking if you took segregation out of the mix, in the south where I am from. We never had to lock our doors at night, even in the town here. That seems like a pipe dream these days, but I can attest that it is true, as the oldman can. People were a great deal more courteous to one another as a general rule. No road rage that I ever heard of. But when you say things of this nature there is always the guy who will retort that each generation always says this. The reason each generation always says it is because morality and common courtesy is a cyclical thing. It may reach an apex in the positive and then slowly degenerate into an apex in the negative, and then it generally over time repeats. It reminds me of a living thing, always changing, cycling, etc.

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                          • Re: Knockout, because it is funny

                            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                            If you could find stats
                            You make claim. You find stats.


                            for school violence, public school, K-12, starting at the 1930 mark, I am certain you would see that paddling asses made for less unruly and violent kids.

                            But it mostly just basic common sense. You do this, you get some physical pain as the results of your unacceptable action. I pissed on an electric fence when I was 10, and the experience made me think twice about doing it again. Same principle. It works.
                            All the easier for you to find your evidence then. You make it sound so easy, it's as if there's no reason for you to ask me to find your stats for you!

                            When puppies are small if they nip the mother too hard, she doses out a little pain, as a teaching aid. Works in the animal world and the human world. Say you get into a fight with a guy you have been picking on, and he finally yields and give you a great little ass whipping, totally dominating you, and hurt you pretty bad in the process. If you go and pick on him after that, something is wrong mentally with you. Or you just love getting your ass whipped.

                            First time I ever fed a horse an apple when I was a small kid, I didn't know to give it to him from the palm, with the hand arched back. And so he bit the stew out of my little fingers. Pain, learn. Pain, learn. It has always been natures best teacher and all higher life forms seem to use it. And yeah, I know some of the more primitive people, like the Amerindians perhaps didn't use pain as a teaching aid, but the kids were still taught by nature, using pain.

                            A little pain has always been one of the best teaching aids, and its natural. While in boot camp if one single guy really screwed up, the entire company was punished. And boot c camp back when I was in was already a type of punishment, just being there. LOL. When this happened in my company in boot camp, the guy that screwed up got the old soap bar in the sock routine after lights out. I refused to partiscipate, but 8 guys had no trouble. They grabbed his sheet as he was on the top bunk, pulled in down with their weight on the 4 corners, and the other 4 went to town. It was actually quite cruel, but that kid never screwed up again. The thing is, our company commander kinda suggested it by telling the company how such things were handled when he was in boot camp years before. He didn't tell anyone to do it, but it was inevitable, after we took the punishment for this one guy messing up badly. Yeah, I have seen it work my entire life.....pain as a teaching tool.
                            So like I said, come up with some evidence that shows, in practice, that it works in the larger population. Not anecdotal "I pissed on an electric fence" crap.

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