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  • What feeds Terror ?

    I was told told by a person who prefers to remain anonymous the following:

    The seeds of terrorism and an example are;

    Iraq

    Population 30.000,000

    Avg. household income per year $ 500

    Countries Income from sale of natural resources

    (596 thousand barrels of oil per day "to USA"

    "multiply barrels X prevailing price"

    Under foreign military occupation or control.

    Perhaps someone more skillful in research can check out the veracity of the numbers.

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    Re: What feeds Terror ?

    I was told by a person who wants to remain anonymous the following:

    The seeds of terrorism ad an example are;

    Reading senile babble on internet forums

    Inability to punctuate

    Inability to form a complete, coherent sentence

    "multiplying incoherent posts X number of readers"

    Perhaps someone more patient can check out the veracity of the causes.

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      Re: What feeds Terror ?

      Population:

      30,399,572 (July 2011 est.)

      https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/iz.html

      Avg. household income per year:

      Where is Mr. Anonymous getting his numbers?

      When I research this kind of thing I use CIA World Factbook, World Bank, Datamonitor, EIU, OECD, and the UN.

      None of those are reporting per-household income for Iraq.

      If I were writting a report that required this number I would include the notion "no accurate information available" or "N/A".

      Countries Income from sale of natural resources:

      (596 thousand barrels of oil per day "to USA" "multiply barrels X prevailing price")

      What does that have to do with anything?

      You're talking about the sale of surplus natural resources, to a single consumer, and you're not taking into consideration any of Iraq's other exports, nor any of their other trading partners, nor their GDP more broadly.

      Iraq's GDP was $113.4 billion (2010 est.)

      $48.06 billion (2010 est.) came from exports of which 84% were crude oil.

      Overall trade with the U.S. accounts for 24.3% of Iraq's exports.

      Under foreign military occupation or control:

      Kinda-sorta.

      If your anonymous friends had written this two years ago, okay.

      If he wrote it this morning he needs to pay closer attention to the news.

      We are no longer occupying Iraq and Iraq is very much calling the shots in this relationship.

      Since you just asked for help with research I won't suggest that Mr. Anonymous is an idiot with a pretty transparent agenda and an infantile understanding of Islamic terrorism. But if you were asking my opinion on the validity of this fella's theory I'd offer my opinion.

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        Re: What feeds Terror ?

        I's very generous of you, soot, to proceed as though Mr. Anonymous actually exists.

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          Re: What feeds Terror ?

          REUR Post Matt

          TYPICAL

          Makes me wonder what the future has in store for you.

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            Re: What feeds Terror ?

            Originally posted by skeptic1 View Post
            REUR Post Matt

            TYPICAL

            Makes me wonder what the future has in store for you.
            In what universe does this even make sense?

            No offense meant, but is English not your first language?

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            • #7
              Re: What feeds Terror ?

              What feeds terror?
              Easy answer... religion.

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              • #8
                Re: What feeds Terror ?

                Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                Easy answer... religion.
                I'd be more specific and say Suni Islam.

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                • #9
                  Re: What feeds Terror ?

                  Originally posted by soot View Post
                  I'd be more specific and say Suni Islam.
                  I would not, plenty outside of Suni Islam are just as capable of the need to inflict terror.

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                    Re: What feeds Terror ?

                    Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                    I would not, plenty outside of Suni Islam are just as capable of the need to inflict terror.
                    Just as capable maybe but in the recent past (+/- 30 years) Suni Islam or some sect/off-shoot of Suni'sm has been directly responsible for about 95% of terrorism either as the main participant or the brains behind the operation.

                    The reason for that is that these "branches" of Suni'sm PREACH terrorism. It is a tenent of THEIR religion. Not of all Islam, nor of all Suni'sm, mind you - I'm not saying that Islam is behind terrorism - but of the Whabist/Salifist/Qtubist Suni Islam that preaches and teaches terror as part of the "faith".

                    There are people of other religions who participate in terrorism, and there may even be an odd congregation here and there for which terrorism is central(?) to their group practice of the religion, but the above mentioned sects/schools of Suni Islam are the only ones I know of that hold terrorism to be central to the proper practive of their faith religion-wide.

                    If we were discussing the oppression of Blacks/African Americans in America at the turn of the last century and I said that White/Caucasian Americans were at the root of it you'd be the guy going "NO! Stop right there! The Chinese in California were racist too! PEOPLE were the cause of Black oppression, NOT Whites!".

                    Yeah, sure, some Chinese laundries wouldn't wash a Black man's shirts, but they were really peripheral to the issue of African American oppression - a footnote if you will.

                    Same with religion-in-general in respect to terrorism today.

                    Sure a Christian might be involved in one act of terror out of every thousand but they're a footnote in the 20th/21st Century history of terrorism.

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                      Re: What feeds Terror ?

                      Fear, helplessness, injustice, anger and poverty all feed terrorism.

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                        Re: What feeds Terror ?

                        Originally posted by soot View Post
                        Just as capable maybe but in the recent past (+/- 30 years) Suni Islam or some sect/off-shoot of Suni'sm has been directly responsible for about 95% of terrorism either as the main participant or the brains behind the operation.

                        The reason for that is that these "branches" of Suni'sm PREACH terrorism. It is a tenent of THEIR religion. Not of all Islam, nor of all Suni'sm, mind you - I'm not saying that Islam is behind terrorism - but of the Whabist/Salifist/Qtubist Suni Islam that preaches and teaches terror as part of the "faith".

                        There are people of other religions who participate in terrorism, and there may even be an odd congregation here and there for which terrorism is central(?) to their group practice of the religion, but the above mentioned sects/schools of Suni Islam are the only ones I know of that hold terrorism to be central to the proper practive of their faith religion-wide.

                        If we were discussing the oppression of Blacks/African Americans in America at the turn of the last century and I said that White/Caucasian Americans were at the root of it you'd be the guy going "NO! Stop right there! The Chinese in California were racist too! PEOPLE were the cause of Black oppression, NOT Whites!".

                        Yeah, sure, some Chinese laundries wouldn't wash a Black man's shirts, but they were really peripheral to the issue of African American oppression - a footnote if you will.

                        Same with religion-in-general in respect to terrorism today.

                        Sure a Christian might be involved in one act of terror out of every thousand but they're a footnote in the 20th/21st Century history of terrorism.
                        Everything that you are and I will be speaking of, from historical context to examples to quantity comparison (lack of another way to put it) does not really matter. Said another way, it does not get one religion off the hook just because of a diminished use of Terror today in comparison to another. The point is just about any discussion of a group needing to inflict Terror starts with religion. In my opinion it is because organized religion comes with so many things as building blocks to society division. I could go on for hours about how much religion can be blamed for everything from social divide, to aggression, to war, to even terrorism. Now if that division leads to apathy then we have far less to discuss, but I would argue that is a minority of the time event. But if it leads to division then leading to other conflict or aggression in some form in which one side uses terrorism against another then we have clear intention here and a clear basis for that terror. That basis being people under the inflence of some interpretation of religion itself (mainstream or otherwise.)

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                          Originally posted by soot View Post
                          Just as capable maybe but in the recent past (+/- 30 years) Suni Islam or some sect/off-shoot of Suni'sm has been directly responsible for about 95% of terrorism either as the main participant or the brains behind the operation.

                          The reason for that is that these "branches" of Suni'sm PREACH terrorism. It is a tenent of THEIR religion. Not of all Islam, nor of all Suni'sm, mind you - I'm not saying that Islam is behind terrorism - but of the Whabist/Salifist/Qtubist Suni Islam that preaches and teaches terror as part of the "faith".
                          That isn't really accurate.

                          Wahhabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                          What connection, if any, there is between Wahhabism and Jihadi Salafis is disputed. Natana De Long-Bas, senior research assistant at the Prince Alwaleed Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University, argues:

                          The militant Islam of Osama bin Laden did not have its origins in the teachings of Ibn Abd-al-Wahhab and was not representative of Wahhabi Islam as it is practiced in contemporary Saudi Arabia, yet for the media it came to define Wahhabi Islam during the later years of bin Laden's lifetime. However "unrepresentative" bin Laden's global jihad was of Islam in general and Wahhabi Islam in particular, its prominence in headline news took Wahhabi Islam across the spectrum from revival and reform to global jihad.[40]

                          Noah Feldman distinguishes between what he calls the "deeply conservative" Wahhabis and what he calls the "followers of political Islam in the 1980s and 1990s," such as Egyptian Islamic Jihad and later Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri. While Saudi Wahhabis were "the largest funders of local Muslim Brotherhood chapters and other hard-line Islamists" during this time, they opposed jihadi resistance to Muslim governments and assassination of Muslim leaders because of their belief that "the decision to wage jihad lay with the ruler, not the individual believer".[41]
                          Karen Armstrong, former US "emissary" to Islam, states that Osama bin Laden, like most extremists, followed the ideology of Sayyid Qutb, not "Wahhabism".[42]
                          This represents a tiny fraction of the over 1 billion Muslims in the world who are quite peaceful and deplore any violent acts against civilians, as clearly stated in their religious beliefs.

                          Originally posted by soot View Post
                          Sure a Christian might be involved in one act of terror out of every thousand but they're a footnote in the 20th/21st Century history of terrorism.
                          There have actually been far more Christian terrorism incidents in the US than Muslim. Take the KKK, for instance.

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

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                            Re: What feeds Terror ?

                            The terror Schools of Saudi Arabi were funded by the US government. Go do your research. Al Qaeda is and always has been an ally of the NATO forces in the Middle East and Europe.

                            Al Qaeda is used an excuse to invade countries or as rebel fighters in the overthrow of governments for liberalism and dumbocracy.

                            McCain, Graham, Liberman, Newt Gingrich and many other Pro War Liberals have been strong supporters of the World Revolution movements in Eastern Europe and in the Middle East to spread Liberalism and destroy National Governments.


                            And its very "conservative" to supoprt Anarchy and terrorism in foreign countries that do not have Gay pride parades in their city centers.

                            Just ask your local AM Radio talk host.

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                              What feeds terror?

                              The so called muslim religion. That's what feed terror. Why do you ask?

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