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Air Force responsible for disposing of 273 service member's remains in a landfill.

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  • #16
    Re: Air Force responsible for disposing of 273 service member's remains in a landfill.

    Thank you for the link. Very interesting article indeed. I agree with your conclusion as always when mistakes of this type are made everyone hides under their desk.

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    • #17
      Re: Air Force responsible for disposing of 273 service member's remains in a landfill.

      So what should be done with cremated remains?

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      • #18
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        Well, If there is existing family then I'd of thought the answer was ask them what they wanted done. If no family then I'm not sure. Maybe some kind of communal grave or perhaps interment or scattering in some kind of formal gardens ?

        PS Why have I suddenly acquired a massive Amazon add in my post and how do I get rid of it ?

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        • #19
          Re: Air Force responsible for disposing of 273 service member's remains in a landfill.

          Originally posted by jviehe View Post
          So what should be done with cremated remains?
          I've read a bit more on this than just that article and I've been discussing it on some military/veterans BBs that I'm a member of for a couple days now so bear that in mind when I answer your question because I'm drawing on information that's not in the one article I post (and no, I'm not going to go fetch a half-dozen articles and posted quotes from other discussions I've been having - not that you'd ask or expect it, but no just the same).

          Okay...

          Here's the thing. To the best of my understanding the remains that were being dumped weren't bodies, they were body parts. Some of them may have been fingers or toes but in many cases they were much smaller tissue samples taken from the site of explosions (IED/RPG/Other) which had been tested (the body parts, that is) for explosive residue.

          Generally speaking, and by way of example, say that Pvt. Joe Snuffy got blowed up by an IED in Basara. Either his unit or a BDA team or some other element would recover his remains or as much of his remains as it was possible to retrieve (which may or may not have been recognizable as Pvt. Snuffy or even as a human being).

          Say that they were able to recover 75% of this Soldier's body from the battlefield.

          Those remains would flow through the Graves Registration pipeline and eventually find their way back to Dover AFB.

          Either at Dover or at some point along the way someone would take 0.5% of those remains for testing.

          74.5% of the remains would be returned to the family and/or given a proper burial.

          The 0.5% that was held aside for testing would be tested and eventually find their way to Dover AFB (because that's where remains go) and eventually they would be creamated in batches with other remains that were similarly in testing/transit.

          That's what was getting thrown away in the landfill.

          Now clearly you're not going to want to send a grieving family a small envelope containing their son's/father's/wife's cremated pinky toe six months after the family burried their loved one. You just don't want to tear open that wound just as its begun healing.

          And it isn't economical to run the cremation process individually for each individual tissue sample (some of which may have been no loager than a postage stamp) anyway so you're essentially sitting on a box of the mixed ashes of a dozen or more Servicemembers all of which were cremated together. You couldn't return individual samples to individual families even if you'd wanted to.

          But you still don't throw them in the fucking trash.

          So to answer your question, "What should be done with the cremated remains?"

          In my opinion, one of two things.

          1. You keep gathering those remains in an urn until the next aircraft carrier battle group is leaving Norfolk and then you put them on board, tell the Captain to give them a proper ceremony and burial at sea, and you put all of the cherry Servicemembers who are on their first float in the front row so the seriousness of the business they're in really hits hom.

          2. You keep saving them in that urn until every last Servicemember leave the ME AO and then you inter them in some kind of GWOT "Tomb of the Unknown Warrior" on the national Mall.

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          • #20
            Re: Air Force responsible for disposing of 273 service member's remains in a landfill.

            Both good ideas.

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            • #21
              Re: Air Force responsible for disposing of 273 service member's remains in a landfill.

              Originally posted by AmericanPatriot

              Air Force responsible for disposing of 273 service member's remains in a landfill. Wondered what your thoughts might be and ask anyone if they know how long this protocol has been in effect. Who enacted this policy and why? Do you think this is the appropriate way to honor our brave fighting men and women? Is Obama responsible, directly or indirectly for this activity?


              OMG, is it true that Barack Obama is personally ordering certain members of our military killed and thrown in landfills to reduce military spending? He's the fucking anti-christ and he's Black.

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              • #22
                Re: Air Force responsible for disposing of 273 service member's remains in a landfill.

                Originally posted by soot View Post
                In light of your more recent posts I understand that you're neither laying blame nor seeking too.

                But since you asked, no President Obama is not responsible for this.

                The practice of interring remains at the landfill occured between 2004 and 2008 according to the original Washinton Post investigative report.

                President Obama did not assume office until 2009.

                This practice began and ended under president Bush's watch.
                I was listening to this on NPR and they suspect it might date back into the 90s.

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                • #23
                  Re: Air Force responsible for disposing of 273 service member's remains in a landfill.

                  Originally posted by jviehe View Post
                  So what should be done with cremated remains?
                  I think Agentorange had the answer. But I an in disbelief that the need to question what to do exists.

                  We need to drain the fucking swamp !

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                  • #24
                    Re: Air Force responsible for disposing of 273 service member's remains in a landfill.

                    Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
                    I was listening to this on NPR and they suspect it might date back into the 90s.
                    RE: "Commerce" I'll buy that !

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                    • #25
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                      bad and sad news..no idea..but yeah i also want to know...

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                      • #26
                        Re: Air Force responsible for disposing of 273 service member's remains in a landfill.

                        From everything I have read also, these are not complete bodies, but parts of bodies. And while I do think the "scandal" is a bit blown out of proportion, this should have been handled better. But this is hardly unique. Mortuaries and funeral homes are regularly caught disposing of bodies in even more offensive manners.

                        Funeral home accused of stacking bodies in a garage - CNN

                        Tri-State Crematory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                        And I do not blame the President for what has happened here. But I do have to wonder if many of those in here would have blamed the President if this had been uncovered 3 years ago.

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