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    A Russian task force, led by the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, arrived in Tartus on Sunday to replenish water and food supplies during a long-term training mission in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean. They have left the habour already.


    Official a supply mission, not official a demonstration of solidarity. The Syrian minister of defence, Dawud Radschiha, on the Russian carrier.



    Is Russia showing the Nato what happens, if they attack Syria?
    At first missiles for Syria and now a visit of the only Russian carrier...


    Along with the carrier:
    Submarine-hunter Admiral Tschabanenko
    Coastal marine ship Ladny
    Tanker Lena
    Tugship Nikolai Tschiker


    Syria hails visit of Russian warships to Tartus | Russia | RIA Novosti

  • #2
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    Russia only has one carrier?

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    • #3
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      I hope the White Christian soldiers destroy the African Warlord.


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      • #4
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        Originally posted by Rude Boy View Post
        Russia only has one carrier?
        In service, yes, apparently. Not many exist. The US only has 11 in service, helping it lead in terms of military spending waste worldwide. Germany has none at all. China only has 1 and it's still under construction. France like Russia has just 1 in service. The UK as much of a seafaring power as it is only has 1 in service. I guess they're expensive to operate, not very useful in modern warfare or both. Against a modern nation they'll probably prove too vulnerable. One nuclear torpedo and the carrier is fucked. It's not like they can maneuver that thing very easily. That restricts its usefulness to subjugation missions of nations with vastly inferior militaries like the ones the US is currently fucking.

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by Rude Boy View Post
          Russia only has one carrier?
          How many do you think you need to challenge the sovereignty of the entire free world? For a brief period, the Soviets even had two.

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            Originally posted by Slon View Post
            In service, yes, apparently. Not many exist. The US only has 11 in service, helping it lead in terms of military spending waste worldwide. Germany has none at all. China only has 1 and it's still under construction. France like Russia has just 1 in service. The UK as much of a seafaring power as it is only has 1 in service. I guess they're expensive to operate, not very useful in modern warfare or both. Against a modern nation they'll probably prove too vulnerable. One nuclear torpedo and the carrier is fucked. It's not like they can maneuver that thing very easily. That restricts its usefulness to subjugation missions of nations with vastly inferior militaries like the ones the US is currently fucking.
            I would object to the notion that the ACs are not useful to modern warfare. It's a mobile air base. They are no more vulnerable than a land base. If the war is a nuclear war, every asset is at risk.

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              The notion that any nation would engage in nuclear war is preposterous. The cold war mentality on these forums however seems to live on.

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                Originally posted by RRAHH View Post
                The notion that any nation would engage in nuclear war is preposterous. The cold war mentality on these forums however seems to live on.
                Well no reasonable, intelligent man would contribute to this sort of warfare. All it takes is an error, a mistake, or a madman. If we have not seen madmen in world history, we are safe from this sort of madness.

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                  Re: Russian warships in Syria

                  Originally posted by Slon View Post
                  In service, yes, apparently. Not many exist. The US only has 11 in service, helping it lead in terms of military spending waste worldwide. Germany has none at all. China only has 1 and it's still under construction. France like Russia has just 1 in service. The UK as much of a seafaring power as it is only has 1 in service. I guess they're expensive to operate, not very useful in modern warfare or both.
                  Not very usefull in modern warfare?

                  Wow, don't tell that to the Argentines, Iranians, Iraqis, the Lebanese, the Lybians, or the Afghans. They have all had carriers used against them in the last 30 years (some in the last 1-10 years), and gotten thoroughly spanked by them. So I have absolutely no idea whhere you got that idea.

                  Originally posted by Slon View Post
                  Against a modern nation they'll probably prove too vulnerable. One nuclear torpedo and the carrier is fucked. It's not like they can maneuver that thing very easily.
                  Excuse me, nuclear torpedo? Are you even aware of how absolutely silly that sounds?

                  Only 2 nations have ever built such a beast, the US and the USSR. And the US disassembled all of theirs in the early 1970's (the Soviets did the same a few years later). And if one of these were launched, it would not matter much, because the US would then be in a nuclear war. Use of any nuclear weapon on US forces gets the same in return, that is US policy and has been for decades.

                  And how are they vulnerable? They have the strongest defensive screen in the world. Most Carrier Strike Groups can attack the entire navies of other nations and still come out on top. Not even during the Cold War did the Soviets look forward to having to engage one of our Carrier Strike Groups. And their navy is a fraction of what it used to be.

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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by Formaldehyde View Post
                    How many do you think you need to challenge the sovereignty of the entire free world? For a brief period, the Soviets even had two.
                    To be accurate, the Soviets never really had "Aircraft Carriers". And no, this is not my just spouting off, they did not even consider them to be carriers.

                    You see, even the Soviet Navy refered to them as "Tyazholyy Avianesushchiy Raketnyy Kreyser", or "Heavy Aircraft Carrying Missile Cruisers". And their capacity tends to confirm that (14 fighters, 214 missiles). This is not an "Aricraft Carrier" as Western nations see or use them. The design is not to carry aircraft into a combat zone and launch aircraft for strike missions. The idea behind this design is to bring a Heavy Missile Cruiser into a combat theatre, and have enough aircraft on board to defend it from airborne or surface threats.

                    The closest they ever came to building a true carrier was the Ulyanovsk. A project started in 1975, construction was started in 1988. Then abandoned in 1991. The ship was scrapped in 1992, only 40% complete.

                    By Naval standards, the Soviets have never had "Aircraft Carriers". Simply ships that carried aircraft. Of course, neither Russia nor the Soviet Union was ever known as being a real Naval power.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Russian warships in Syria

                      Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                      Well no reasonable, intelligent man would contribute to this sort of warfare. All it takes is an error, a mistake, or a madman. If we have not seen madmen in world history, we are safe from this sort of madness.
                      No intelligent man wants to engage in war. I constantly pray that someday all of the weapons we all have can be destroyed, and wars fought with sticks and balls in a more civilized manner. War is a waste. And I wish it was not sometimes needed.

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                        Originally posted by Bleipriester View Post
                        Is Russia showing the Nato what happens, if they attack Syria?
                        At first missiles for Syria and now a visit of the only Russian carrier...
                        I would not get to bent out of shape about this. Port Calls like this happen all the time. During the Cold War, soviet Ballistic Missile subs frequently made port calls at Cuba. And also fleet calls at nations like Egypt, Australia, Falklands, Israel, Japan, England, India, and even the United States on many occasions.

                        http://www.cna.org/documents/5500014500.pdf

                        I do not read to much into things like this. Naval forces do visits like this all the time, for various reasons.

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                          Originally posted by Mushroom View Post
                          No intelligent man wants to engage in war. I constantly pray that someday all of the weapons we all have can be destroyed, and wars fought with sticks and balls in a more civilized manner. War is a waste. And I wish it was not sometimes needed.
                          Some of the American Indian tribes used to play lacrosse to the death to resolve disputes. I would be more than happy to see the president in a cage using his martial arts skills to show how his political views are so much better than those of some other world leader. Just think how many innocent lives it would save.

                          Originally posted by Mushroom View Post
                          I do not read to much into things like this. Naval forces do visits like this all the time, for various reasons.
                          The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

                          Last edited by Formaldehyde; 01-14-2012, 10:24 AM.

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                            Originally posted by RRAHH View Post
                            The notion that any nation would engage in nuclear war is preposterous. The cold war mentality on these forums however seems to live on.
                            Had you said: "any sane nation" you would have been correct. As you left it there are two nation states crazy enough to risk it, and at least one of those would do so in hopes that it would not survive.

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                            • #15
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                              I really don't think the US would ever go that far unless we elected another nutball like Reagan to be president again.

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