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    I ran across this fear mongering propaganda piece on the MSN homepage a few minutes ago, and its class fear mongering propaganda, devised in order to support a negation of the recent agreement with Iran.

    Just four days after U.S.-led global powers and Iran completed their nuclear deal, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's supreme leader, reaffirmed the "Death to America" mantra that has pervaded his regime since its establishment in 1979, stating, "The entire country is under the umbrella of this great movement." Iran has killed hundreds of Americans in the Middle East, both directly and through its terrorist proxies. It has threatened U.S. regional interests by funding anti-Israeli terrorists, propping up Syria's terror-backing Bashar al-Assad and de-stabilizing U.S.-backed governments.
    Moving forward, this deal will enable Tehran to threaten U.S. security more directly in at least two ways:
    First, Iran could deploy a nuclear warhead on one of its ballistic missiles and fire it at the United States. Iran is building increasingly sophisticated ballistic missiles, with its Shahab-3 able to reach Israel, and the Sejjil that it's developing capable of reaching Italy and Poland.
    Tehran also announced plans to build missile silos in what experts consider a precursor to deploying longer range missiles.
    Second, Iran could detonate a nuclear device over the United States in an electromagnetic pulse attack that destroys our electric grid, putting the nation in the dark for months and eventually leaving 90 percent of Americans dead from disease or starvation.
    Iran has tested how to conduct an EMP attack, such as by attaching a nuclear weapon to an orbiting satellite or launching a nuclear-armed missile into the atmosphere from a ship.
    Iranian military leaders have endorsed an EMP attack against America, according to secret Iranian military documents that Pentagon officials have translated, and the Pentagon's North American Aerospace Defense Command is moving back into Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado because it can resist an EMP attack.
    That Iran can develop nuclear weapons under the deal, making these two scenarios plausible, is clear; the only question is when.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinio...ion/ar-BBlIdS2


    Do you think that Iran KNOWS, that as soon as an ICBM left its airspace heading towards the US that before it reached our air space Iran would be a nuclear wasteland? But the question is also do the people who would respond to fear mongering propaganda also understand this? Or is it that once the mind becomes irrational, there is no hope for that mind to think rationally?

    Is there anyone here that believes Iran's entire reason to live is to try to attack the US using a nuke? Even radical muslim leaders always send others as suicide bombers. They seem to value their own lives more than they value the lives of those they send with bombs strapped on their backs. Iran's leaders do not want to be turned into charcoal, which would happen if they were to ever step into insanity.

    Frankly, people who are using fear mongering are despicable human beings, who I wish we could send when we invade Iran, so they get some skin in the game. It is the only treatment that stands a chance of curing them.

    Is it mere coincidence that Iran is the nation left in the middle east that has not been invaded or destabilized, that was on that Neocon New American Century scheme? I think not. Do enough americans have the intelligence to see this? I think not.

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    So who is driving the fear mongering which is used to war monger? Well sirs, it is the exact same forces that changed our economic model into something that no longer builds a large middle class, and instead sends the income and wealth to the top few. They have, aided tremendously by conservative economic ideology, to stage a coup that has turned us from a republic into an oligarchy. So who are these powerful forces that dictates all of that policy laid out by the Princeton Study?

    First its the banking cabal. Second its the oil companies, and third, the MNCs or TNCs depending upon what you want to call them. But huge corporate entities. The combined power of these extremely rich entities have been allowed to basically buy our gov't, to operate only on their behalf, which destroyed any representation of the People. And this is what the neoliberalism that Reagan brought back had done. It removed gov't from interfering with these 3 entities, who's interests are counter to the interests of a middle class, of the People. This was done by the GOP and Clinton's dismantling of the FDR model which allowed for such a huge middle class and working American prosperity, keeping the income and wealth from going to the top as it does today.

    And these 3 powerful forces are involved in our war mongering, our perpetual war for perpetual peace. These forces which own this nation are responsible for all of the propaganda that passes as news today. These forces have turned America into a host for parasites, to suck dry as they increase their own assets and bank accounts. These forces send our poor people to die in the middle east, in the interest of the wealth of these powerful 3 groups. So our nation is serving mammon, but its the mammon of those insatiable greedy men who are impossible to satiate. And if you want to stop them, all that is needed is to play the socialist card, and the conditioned knee jerk reactions take over to help insure that this kind of destructive predatory capitalism of these 3 groups go unchallenged.

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    • #3
      With our porous borders, smuggling a nuclear weapon into the U.S. in a truck would be a much more likely scenario. Should we wait until they set one off in L.A. or NYC before we take any action?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
        With our porous borders, smuggling a nuclear weapon into the U.S. in a truck would be a much more likely scenario. Should we wait until they set one off in L.A. or NYC before we take any action?
        Well obviously since both establishment political parties want illegal workers to depress wages, we will indeed wait until one goes off before they are forced into securing the borders. If DC actually feared radicals here, as much as they do in the middle east, they would have addressed this border issue right after 9-11. But their owners want the flow of illegal labor...so....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
          I ran across this fear mongering propaganda piece on the MSN homepage a few minutes ago, and its class fear mongering propaganda, devised in order to support a negation of the recent agreement with Iran.




          http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinio...ion/ar-BBlIdS2


          Do you think that Iran KNOWS, that as soon as an ICBM left its airspace heading towards the US that before it reached our air space Iran would be a nuclear wasteland? But the question is also do the people who would respond to fear mongering propaganda also understand this? Or is it that once the mind becomes irrational, there is no hope for that mind to think rationally?

          Is there anyone here that believes Iran's entire reason to live is to try to attack the US using a nuke? Even radical muslim leaders always send others as suicide bombers. They seem to value their own lives more than they value the lives of those they send with bombs strapped on their backs. Iran's leaders do not want to be turned into charcoal, which would happen if they were to ever step into insanity.

          Frankly, people who are using fear mongering are despicable human beings, who I wish we could send when we invade Iran, so they get some skin in the game. It is the only treatment that stands a chance of curing them.

          Is it mere coincidence that Iran is the nation left in the middle east that has not been invaded or destabilized, that was on that Neocon New American Century scheme? I think not. Do enough americans have the intelligence to see this? I think not.
          I'm glad you brought this up. You have said, in so many words, that if Iran wanted to attack the US, or Israel with nukes, then why haven't they done it yet? Well for the reasons you described, is the answer to your question.

          Iran does have evil intent, but they are not stupid. As technology advances, capabilities become greater. Possibilities that we haven't fathomed, have become realities in following decades. The weakness that America displays to the world, weakening of the military, infiltration gaining knowledge of American law, knowing that American laws will overrule necessary defensive measures, America's concession's to, "gain peace", all assists with the growing technology, for Iran to accomplish the goal of destroying what they oppose.

          They are an intelligent and patient people. They will wait until the time is right, so they can succeed or have a great possibility of succeeding. It's not that they have not attacked yet because they don't want to, it's that they have not attacked yet, because they know as it has stood, and so far stands, they would be demolished. But this new Iran agreement, it brings them closer to balancing the field. As America weakens, Iran strengthens. Do enough Americans have the intelligence to see this? I hope so.

          The propaganda is coming from the liberal Dems. The lack of humanity shown within the Iranian civilization and verbalization of hatred, is consistent with my theory. It is not consistent with a theory that they are being bullied and just want to be left alone.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by msc View Post
            I'm glad you brought this up. You have said, in so many words, that if Iran wanted to attack the US, or Israel with nukes, then why haven't they done it yet? Well for the reasons you described, is the answer to your question.

            Iran does have evil intent, but they are not stupid. As technology advances, capabilities become greater. Possibilities that we haven't fathomed, have become realities in following decades. The weakness that America displays to the world, weakening of the military, infiltration gaining knowledge of American law, knowing that American laws will overrule necessary defensive measures, America's concession's to, "gain peace", all assists with the growing technology, for Iran to accomplish the goal of destroying what they oppose.

            They are an intelligent and patient people. They will wait until the time is right, so they can succeed or have a great possibility of succeeding. It's not that they have not attacked yet because they don't want to, it's that they have not attacked yet, because they know as it has stood, and so far stands, they would be demolished. But this new Iran agreement, it brings them closer to balancing the field. As America weakens, Iran strengthens. Do enough Americans have the intelligence to see this? I hope so.

            The propaganda is coming from the liberal Dems. The lack of humanity shown within the Iranian civilization and verbalization of hatred, is consistent with my theory. It is not consistent with a theory that they are being bullied and just want to be left alone.
            You actually believe Iran is planning on becoming more advanced technologically to actually take on the US? You think they want to work to a place where they can take out the US with nukes, without us destroying them before their first ICBM entered our airspace? I think you are greatly underestimating just how advanced and powerful we are, and chances are, no one knows of the depth of our capabilities at defending the US from attacks. Iran doesn't have the money to catch up with us, not even giving them a hundred years to do it. We do not outspend the rest of the world in military technology and get nothing from it. Most people do not understand just how badass we are.

            You are manufacturing enemies, that do not amount to much at all. Hyperbolizing a future threat. The greatest threat from the middle east today is irrational fear, driven by the fear mongers. It is embarrassing to think americans are such cowards as to respond to this fear mongering. Iran is not Nazi Germany, nor will the ever be Nazi Germany. They do not have what it takes. Comparing Iran to Germany as some on the right have been fond of doing, is like comparing a minnow to a great white shark.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
              With our porous borders, smuggling a nuclear weapon into the U.S. in a truck would be a much more likely scenario. Should we wait until they set one off in L.A. or NYC before we take any action?
              You really think they want to commit national suicide? Why? They gain so much more by doing virtually anything else.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

                You really think they want to commit national suicide? Why? They gain so much more by doing virtually anything else.

                All they have to do is build a few bombs and sell or give them to ISIS who will gladly deliver them to Israel or New York. How would you know where they came from?

                And, from my perspective, evil knows no bounds.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


                  All they have to do is build a few bombs and sell or give them to ISIS who will gladly deliver them to Israel or New York. How would you know where they came from?

                  And, from my perspective, evil knows no bounds.
                  North Korea could of course do the same thing, today. How about we start a new war with them, because one day they might sell some nukes to isis, who could come through our open borders and blow up Washington dc when congress is in session? What about Russia. We are waging economic war against them because they will not bow down to the western banking cabal, and trying to starve their people out so we can get a ruler in Russia that will play ball with banking, MNCs and big oil, and let that group of the new world order have their way with Russia. Russia has every reason in the world to sell a load of suitcase sized nukes which would be easier to get across our borders and take out DC, really well. You know, cut off the snakes head. Then there is Pakistan another muslim nation that hates our guts, and they too have nukes. Hell, if Iran eventually gets a nuke, she is the least of our worries. Perhaps Iran, Russia, Pakistan and N. Korea will all cooperate and send isis in here with a hundred nukes and just allow the wrath of god to clean this Sodom and gormorrah clean. Future religious texts, muslim, will detail how god destroyed the great satan with fire and brimstone.

                  So, given we can fear monger ourselves into insanity, perhaps we need to use those other threats too, so we can get real good and crazy. This deal about Iran is trumped up, for we must feed this industrial complex that demands perpetual war or they do not make their obscene profits on death and destruction. That looks like what the old satan would do, if he could run a gov't and an economy. Think about it.

                  It is past the time when this country needs to act upon the principles that we were founded upon and stop the interference, the meddling, the war mongering in order that particular corporations can rake in the dough. It is past the time that we set an example to the world on how great and powerful nation should interact with the rest of the world, setting up examples grounded upon integrity, honesty, and humane values, taking care of our own people instead of allowing the banking cabal, the big oil companies and the MNCs run this nation for only their own benefit as they worship mammon. I love America, but I am getting sick and tired of this nation looking like a great force of evil instead of a force for good. Hell, we do not treat our own citizens right, which means we will treat others even worse.
                  Last edited by Blue Doggy; 08-15-2015, 08:35 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


                    All they have to do is build a few bombs and sell or give them to ISIS who will gladly deliver them to Israel or New York. How would you know where they came from?
                    Why would they give or sell them to ISIS they've been fightig ISIS more the we have?

                    It is possible to identify the point of origin for a nuclear weapon
                    http://www.lanl.gov/science/NSS/issu...ory2full.shtml
                    Last edited by JDJarvis; 08-16-2015, 03:23 PM.

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                    • #11
                      I agree with Dan that a much more likely scenario would be terrorists smuggling in the parts and assembling a dirty bomb near a target of their own choosing.

                      Further, I wouldn't think it would matter that much to the entrenched powers in Iran (if they launched and we retaliated with our own launches) where dying for the Caliph is considered high value to a lot of those folks (the terrorists who would launch against the U.S. or Israel, I mean ... they don't care much about or for the rank-and-file Iranian).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                        I agree with Dan that a much more likely scenario would be terrorists smuggling in the parts and assembling a dirty bomb near a target of their own choosing.

                        Further, I wouldn't think it would matter that much to the entrenched powers in Iran (if they launched and we retaliated with our own launches) where dying for the Caliph is considered high value to a lot of those folks (the terrorists who would launch against the U.S. or Israel, I mean ... they don't care much about or for the rank-and-file Iranian).
                        Of course I disagree. I think Iran is a rational actor. They are conservative muslims, which is why they are enemies with the conservative muslims in Saudi Arabia. These sects have been fighting and hating one another ever since the split in Islam. We are stupidly interjecting ourselves in this old conflict, on the arab side. And have no business doing so. For it only creates other problems. We love to create additional problms, obviously.

                        Iran has a very young population, and want to be a part of the modern world. That is what the people from Iran say when they come here. When we sanction them to where it hurts these people, well, that ain't creating friends. Which of course we do not actually want to create friends, we want enemies. Gotta feed the corporations who keep our economy going by making war goods. If you think this doesn't affect our policy, you must think Ike was a conspiracy theorist.

                        Who are we worried about attacking us here on our oil soil? Persian Shiites, or arab sunnis? This should matter, but of course to the war drummers, it makes no difference at all. So they let their imagination run wild on what iran will do tomorrow.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

                          Of course I disagree. I think Iran is a rational actor. They are conservative muslims, which is why they are enemies with the conservative muslims in Saudi Arabia. These sects have been fighting and hating one another ever since the split in Islam. We are stupidly interjecting ourselves in this old conflict, on the arab side. And have no business doing so. For it only creates other problems. We love to create additional problms, obviously.

                          Iran has a very young population, and want to be a part of the modern world. That is what the people from Iran say when they come here. When we sanction them to where it hurts these people, well, that ain't creating friends. Which of course we do not actually want to create friends, we want enemies. Gotta feed the corporations who keep our economy going by making war goods. If you think this doesn't affect our policy, you must think Ike was a conspiracy theorist.

                          Who are we worried about attacking us here on our oil soil? Persian Shiites, or arab sunnis? This should matter, but of course to the war drummers, it makes no difference at all. So they let their imagination run wild on what iran will do tomorrow.
                          The bolded puts us on categorically opposing viewpoints.

                          I have never thought so and, since we see it so entirely differently, there is no point in arguing the finer points of it. Frankly, I don't understand how a rational person can view Iran as rational in any way.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                            The bolded puts us on categorically opposing viewpoints.

                            I have never thought so and, since we see it so entirely differently, there is no point in arguing the finer points of it. Frankly, I don't understand how a rational person can view Iran as rational in any way.
                            Rational nations look out for their best interests. Rational nations do not personally attack the US on its own soil. When Iran attacks us as their enemy as, the sunnis did, on our own soil, I will then see them as irrational. Iran has much to hate the US over. Like what we did in inserting a dictator in their own nation. Why some people just ignore our history with Iran, and then blame Iran for reacting, is what is irrational. A rational actor would look at Iran and the US, what we have done, and then make an appraisel. That is what is rational.

                            I do not see how you can believe Iran is not a rational actor, when you consider what the middle east is. And then include our own history in regards to Iran. Taking all of this into consideration, I see a rational actor. Yet we want to treat them like we treat the radical sunnis? Who have actually attacked us on our own soil? I think some americans lump Iran and the radical sunnis together, and blame iran for what the sunnis have done. I doubt many even know the difference.



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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

                              Rational nations look out for their best interests. Rational nations do not personally attack the US on its own soil. When Iran attacks us as their enemy as, the sunnis did, on our own soil, I will then see them as irrational. Iran has much to hate the US over. Like what we did in inserting a dictator in their own nation. Why some people just ignore our history with Iran, and then blame Iran for reacting, is what is irrational. A rational actor would look at Iran and the US, what we have done, and then make an appraisel. That is what is rational.

                              I do not see how you can believe Iran is not a rational actor, when you consider what the middle east is. And then include our own history in regards to Iran. Taking all of this into consideration, I see a rational actor. Yet we want to treat them like we treat the radical sunnis? Who have actually attacked us on our own soil? I think some americans lump Iran and the radical sunnis together, and blame iran for what the sunnis have done. I doubt many even know the difference.


                              I don't agree with your threshold for determining rationality. From your above statement, the only criterion is Iran looks out for its best interests. Even mindless, brutal dictators look out for their own best interests. And I can't see determining Iran to be rational in comparison to the rest of the middle east.

                              So, like I said, you and I disagree on whether or not Iran is rational... so we will not find common ground in this argument.

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