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  • Again, We Do Not Mean ALL Muslims

    Groups like ISIL and al-Qaeda want to make this war a war between Islam and America, or between Islam and the West. They want to claim that they are the true leaders of over a billion of Muslims around the world who reject their crazy notions.

    They want us to validate them by implying that they speak for those billion-plus people, that they speak for Islam. That's their propaganda, that's how they recruit. And if we fall into the trap of painting all Muslims with a broad brush, and imply that we are at war with an entire religion, then we are doing the terrorists' work for them. -President Obama, June 14 2016

    Since September of 2001 I have heard the disclaimer easily ten-thousand times, I am not referring to all Muslims. before anyone announces Radical Islamic Terrorists as our enemy. After 15 years and thousands of repeats is it not time to declare they the people who still think we mean all Muslims are the ignorant ones and not the people using the proper term radical Islamic terrorists? just saying.

  • #2
    Originally posted by SupPackFan View Post
    “Groups like ISIL and al-Qaeda want to make this war a war between Islam and America, or between Islam and the West. They want to claim that they are the true leaders of over a billion of Muslims around the world who reject their crazy notions.

    They want us to validate them by implying that they speak for those billion-plus people, that they speak for Islam. That's their propaganda, that's how they recruit. And if we fall into the trap of painting all Muslims with a broad brush, and imply that we are at war with an entire religion, then we are doing the terrorists' work for them.” -President Obama, June 14 2016

    Since September of 2001 I have heard the disclaimer easily ten-thousand times, “I am not referring to all Muslims.” before anyone announces “Radical Islamic Terrorists” as our enemy. After 15 years and thousands of repeats is it not time to declare they – the people who still think we mean all Muslims – are the ignorant ones and not the people using the proper term ‘radical Islamic terrorists’? just saying.

    Given this, we need an immigration means test as does Europe. A simple means test that begins off with a statement.

    The statement says that western civilization is secular, not a theocracy, and therefore anyone who wants to immigrate to the west must reject sharia law as being better than secular law. They must want secular law and the freedom to worship all gods, even if it is not Allah. Those that do not meet the criterion are automatically rejected for immigration into secular societies.

    And anyone who calls this islamaphobia or racism, is seen as a village idiot, who's words should be ignored as you ignore children before they begin saying mature things and acting responsibly.

    We need a bird's eye view of existing muslim populations in the west and if they assimilate and respect secular society, or if they form into pockets which is middle eastern culture and rules which they will not let go of in order to fit into the lands they wanted to move into. That they respect the culture they chose to move to, and have no ideas about changing that culture into Islamic culture.

    You might find that such a means test, would have reduced the number of muslims in Europe and America, which might mean that future problems with radical islam will never go away until you start using some intelligence in determining who is allowed to immigrate.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SupPackFan View Post
      “Groups like ISIL and al-Qaeda want to make this war a war between Islam and America, or between Islam and the West. They want to claim that they are the true leaders of over a billion of Muslims around the world who reject their crazy notions.

      They want us to validate them by implying that they speak for those billion-plus people, that they speak for Islam. That's their propaganda, that's how they recruit. And if we fall into the trap of painting all Muslims with a broad brush, and imply that we are at war with an entire religion, then we are doing the terrorists' work for them.” -President Obama, June 14 2016

      Since September of 2001 I have heard the disclaimer easily ten-thousand times, “I am not referring to all Muslims.” before anyone announces “Radical Islamic Terrorists” as our enemy. After 15 years and thousands of repeats is it not time to declare they – the people who still think we mean all Muslims – are the ignorant ones and not the people using the proper term ‘radical Islamic terrorists’? just saying.
      And, it may not be all Muslims but it is a huge number of them, not just a few as the MSM and Obama would have us believe.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

        And, it may not be all Muslims but it is a huge number of them, not just a few as the MSM and Obama would have us believe.
        I recently heard on the Rush radio show, that in 2011, Obama stopped processing applications of refugees from Iraq to come to America, for 6 months. It was said that this was done because it was determined that terrorist would slip in with the refugees. Does anyone know if this is factual? And if so, WTF.

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        • #5
          How will you distinguish between good and bad Muslims?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
            How will you distinguish between good and bad Muslims?
            How will you distinguish between good and bad gun owners?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

              How will you distinguish between good and bad gun owners?
              I'm not trying to ban members of a certain religion from owning guns so I ask my question again

              How will you work out which Muslims are ok to come to the US and which aren't?
              The opening post says only some Muslims will be banned so explain how.

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              • #8
                Personally, I believe we have far too many immigrants as it is. I'm for cutting off all immigration for a couple of years.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                  Personally, I believe we have far too many immigrants as it is. I'm for cutting off all immigration for a couple of years.
                  Fantastic, that's sure to work and won't harm the economy even a little bit.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post

                    Fantastic, that's sure to work and won't harm the economy even a little bit.
                    Our current economic trouble is that we do not have enough jobs for citizens. Walmart and McDs are not adding workers, except to replace those that quit.

                    When does adding people as immigrants create jobs when our jobs have been sent offshore, and continue to be done? Adding jobless immigrants can help growth, but only if they consume, and are paid to make what America consumes. We run huge trade deficts with our free trade partners, which means we are not exporting to employ our own. We might export what robots make, but not what people earn a living making.

                    In the past, we allowed immigrants in, because we needed them to man our busy factories. Or even to help build infrastructure. We are deindustrialized, and we no longer do infrastructure. And we do not make here the materials needed for infrastructure, even if we decided to fix and improve existing infrastructure. In short, we no longer have an economy that needs immigrants, as we cannot employ enough of our own people.

                    You are thinking with a mid 20th century mindset, when the US is no longer that nation. Far from it. But this is common on your side of he argument. If we employ them at McDs and Walmart, they drive up welfare costs. Even as many want to drop taxes on those who still earn enough to pay, especially those at the top who get out of taxes by various loopholes they bought in DC.

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                    • #11
                      I watched a little clip form Morning Joe, the only GOP program on MSNBC, which you would never see its counterpart on FOX. LOL. And they were wringing their hands over the problem of muslims over loading Europe with immigration, and the wars causing the mass exodus of so many people into Europe and of course the US.




                      And of course the panel is hollering for America to do something. And its highly ironic, that us doing something has much to do with these problems the world is being subjected to. The problem is that we have already done far too much, which has helped to create these horrendous problems. For what these GOPhers want to do, is not that much different from what created the problems to begin with.

                      We cannot go back in time and listen to the wisdom that came from men like sanders. Too late for that. But one would think that we would learn from doing the wrong thing, and stop repeating doing those things. And yet, no sir, ain't gonna happen. So, WHY is the question I pose for the bright minds here. Why? Why do we refuse to learn lessons? Why would we give more of the same but expect different results? Are we as a nation, our leaders, just insane? Or does something drive these piss poor decisions, going back decades? My take on this is that indeed something does drive the insanity. And its the same thing that drove our gov't to allow the devastation of the American economy, with the tremendous costs to working people, and the cost of creating more social disorder than we have seen since the 1960s, but with added economic suffering which was not a driving force back then.

                      Horrible decisions in foreign policy has helped to create the crisis in Europe, with it causing a shift towards right wing fascism. These decisions helped to create all of the attacks from muslim terrorists. It created the mass immigration of muslims, which also allows in the terrorists. The intelligent move would be to stop the immigration, but that is not politically correct these days. Solving any problem by common sense is just too extreme or many seem to think. This has created a paralyses which cannot address the problem to solve it.

                      Bad decisions can lead to horrible consequences. And yet we learn nothing in the process. The truth is, we cannot fix what our bad judgment created in the middle east. The only thing that will fix it, is to let the muddy waters over there, settle out no matter how long it takes. But we must stop meddling, and let nature take its course. As that happens, we must stop the flow of immigrants into western nations. We already have allowed too many, and those people have to go home, and solve these problems. We can help by air dropping them food, supplies, but its their problem and only they can solve it. Even if we did help to create it. So, cut off all immigration, for there is no need to bring that Islamic terrorism here, or to Europe. It's stupidity to do that, set ourselves up like that. This is the wise way to go. And its not like more lives will be lost, for if we invade again, lives will be lost. So, let them kill themselves not us killing muslims. For that then gives them new reasons to attack us.

                      Of course I can hear it now. Isolationism!!!!! Well, look what your way created. It set the middle east and Europe on fire. It isn't isolationism, its intelligence which there is so little of.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post

                        Fantastic, that's sure to work and won't harm the economy even a little bit.
                        It would do wonders for our economy.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                          How will you distinguish between good and bad Muslims?
                          You won't.

                          This is why we have the problems we have - the same ones the UK is having with ... "muslims"

                          Here in Americas election cycle poluticians are "coming out" so to speak . . .

                          This newest "speaker" is worse than the pelosi was.

                          Here's what this guy says ....

                          He says he; ".. would sue any president that exceeds his or her powers,..."

                          Another liar... I guess he too wants to follow obama . . . who has "exceeded his powers" many times !

                          Lying ryan has done no such thing ... that he claims he wants to do with a different president ?!

                          Better search this man ryan, something smells real funny ..

                          ------------------

                          ...During an interview with The Huffington Post, Ryan who represents Wisconsin's first district was asked about Trump's proposed immigration ban.

                          "I would sue any president that exceeds his or her powers," Ryan said Thursday.


                          ...

                          http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/ryan.../17/id/734440/


                          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


                          See the video here, it explains why mr obama isn't as bright as some of us think. His speeches are becoming less effective. Less effective because people are seeing that he talks a good game .... but it's all a game !!

                          and people don't like their lives being played with by poluticians who think this is a game !!

                          http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...st_threat.html

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                            Personally, I believe we have far too many immigrants as it is. I'm for cutting off all immigration for a couple of years.
                            Absolutely. We need not only assimilation time, but we have to address the lack of available jobs for the current quantity of citizens. We all have different reasoning and solutions for this, but nothing changes the fact that current status is, not enough jobs to go around.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                              I watched a little clip form Morning Joe, the only GOP program on MSNBC, which you would never see its counterpart on FOX. LOL. And they were wringing their hands over the problem of muslims over loading Europe with immigration, and the wars causing the mass exodus of so many people into Europe and of course the US.




                              And of course the panel is hollering for America to do something. And its highly ironic, that us doing something has much to do with these problems the world is being subjected to. The problem is that we have already done far too much, which has helped to create these horrendous problems. For what these GOPhers want to do, is not that much different from what created the problems to begin with.

                              We cannot go back in time and listen to the wisdom that came from men like sanders. Too late for that. But one would think that we would learn from doing the wrong thing, and stop repeating doing those things. And yet, no sir, ain't gonna happen. So, WHY is the question I pose for the bright minds here. Why? Why do we refuse to learn lessons? Why would we give more of the same but expect different results? Are we as a nation, our leaders, just insane? Or does something drive these piss poor decisions, going back decades? My take on this is that indeed something does drive the insanity. And its the same thing that drove our gov't to allow the devastation of the American economy, with the tremendous costs to working people, and the cost of creating more social disorder than we have seen since the 1960s, but with added economic suffering which was not a driving force back then.

                              Horrible decisions in foreign policy has helped to create the crisis in Europe, with it causing a shift towards right wing fascism. These decisions helped to create all of the attacks from muslim terrorists. It created the mass immigration of muslims, which also allows in the terrorists. The intelligent move would be to stop the immigration, but that is not politically correct these days. Solving any problem by common sense is just too extreme or many seem to think. This has created a paralyses which cannot address the problem to solve it.

                              Bad decisions can lead to horrible consequences. And yet we learn nothing in the process. The truth is, we cannot fix what our bad judgment created in the middle east. The only thing that will fix it, is to let the muddy waters over there, settle out no matter how long it takes. But we must stop meddling, and let nature take its course. As that happens, we must stop the flow of immigrants into western nations. We already have allowed too many, and those people have to go home, and solve these problems. We can help by air dropping them food, supplies, but its their problem and only they can solve it. Even if we did help to create it. So, cut off all immigration, for there is no need to bring that Islamic terrorism here, or to Europe. It's stupidity to do that, set ourselves up like that. This is the wise way to go. And its not like more lives will be lost, for if we invade again, lives will be lost. So, let them kill themselves not us killing muslims. For that then gives them new reasons to attack us.

                              Of course I can hear it now. Isolationism!!!!! Well, look what your way created. It set the middle east and Europe on fire. It isn't isolationism, its intelligence which there is so little of.
                              I understand what you're saying. Though I would say the wisdom that comes from people like Rand Paul. Someone with a much better grip on constitutionality. But I do think it's worth addressing what this guy said about the difference between toppling Saddam and Assad. And the similarity between toppling Assad and Hitler. A regional threat vs. a localized threat. I'm not saying we should topple Assad, I'm saying that the guy does make a point worthy of discussion.

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