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Again, We Do Not Mean ALL Muslims

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  • #16
    Originally posted by msc View Post
    I recently heard on the Rush radio show, that in 2011, Obama stopped processing applications of refugees from Iraq to come to America, for 6 months. It was said that this was done because it was determined that terrorist would slip in with the refugees. Does anyone know if this is factual? And if so, WTF.

    Since your question was never directly answered: Visa Delays Put Iraqis Who Aided U.S. in Fear
    This article is from July 2011 when advocates of Iraqi immigrants first noticed (and notified the NY Times) there had been less than 10 Iraqis let in the U.S. for two straight months. It is difficult to find more – as the MSM ignored this entirely. Apparently a ‘bottleneck’ in background checks had brought Iraqi immigration to a virtual halt. (Except for Iraqis with diplomatic connections, I assume). This pace of less than 10 per month did continue for half a year total.
    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
    Personally, I believe we have far too many immigrants as it is. I'm for cutting off all immigration for a couple of years.

    Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
    Fantastic, that's sure to work and won't harm the economy even a little bit.

    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
    It would do wonders for our economy.

    Originally posted by msc View Post
    Absolutely. We need not only assimilation time, but we have to address the lack of available jobs for the current quantity of citizens. We all have different reasoning and solutions for this, but nothing changes the fact that current status is, not enough jobs to go around.

    In fact, American history is littered with changing immigration policy often in the name of preserving our culture and protecting jobs – though I am sure some cannot see beyond the angle of bigotry.


    • #17
      Look, helping people in need and accepting religions that differ from each other is a good thing. I wouldn't want it any other way, BUT, we have limitations individually and collectively. We have to acknowledge our limitations to function and prosper and preserve what we have in order for anyone to have anything. We all, save some selfish, help others, but what we have to offer only stretches so far. Not many martyrs willing to sacrifice all for others. And that's normal, okay. I don't know any individuals that would put themselves or their family in poverty to feed an unrelated person or family. Yet these very people who look out for their own first, believe that somehow collectively we/America can somehow can help others with what we don't have and maintain a life outside poverty.

      Look at it this way, if you had 6 kids, would you allow 2 of you kids to benefit and flourish from what your family possesses while depriving the other 4 so you can help another family? Because that's what many in the our family, called America, are willing to do. Insist on doing.

      We also keep locks on our doors to keep out strangers. How could anyone lock their door to keep themselves or their family safe, yet also support keeping America's door unlocked? It makes no sense and is in fact hypocritical..

      Regarding Islam:

      Fact is, is that Islam has a component that endorses many if not all, to believe in oppression and or murder. There is a culture within the Islamic "religion" that endorses Islam to be the authority, whether it is "radical" or moderate.

      This religion is not like other accepted religions that believe gov't should govern in a secular fashion, (Giving no legal preference to one religion over another). Other religions such as Christianity believe in a secular gov't. The religion itself calls for people to worship of free will. Forced worship serves no purpose in Christianity. This doesn't interfere with gov't policy.

      Acknowledging religious freedom and accepting a worship as a religion, as referred to in our constitution, should not come without requirements. Islam itself opposes freedom to worship as one chooses. To believe it's reasonable to welcome and offer freedom of religion to a "religion" that in itself opposes freedom of religion, is incoherent. How on earth is it anticipated that a society incorporating Islam could ever be a united nation?

      It is fair and reasonable to keep out cultures that oppose religious freedom, as religious freedom is a very important part of our culture. Whether that culture has a religious component or not is irrelevant. It's much easier to stop further entry as not to cause more conflict within America. Because when someone is already an American citizen or has legal status here, there is nothing we can do to prevent them from worshiping as they choose.

      Human rights is the most important part of American culture. We have learned by the sins of the past that it is wrong to deny human rights to anyone, regardless of sex or color. We have progressed in the mindset of Americans to abide by and believe in the law of human rights. Does it make any sense to bring in people with beliefs in a culture that sets back our progression. Why must we challenge ourselves to indefinitely have to teach people what human rights are, and undo what their parents are teaching them? How is that beneficial to the progress and peace in America? A never ending battle. A nation with constant conflict.


      • #18
        Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
        How will you distinguish between good and bad Muslims?

        That is the ONLY question that makes sense and the only one too few media and politicals are asking.

        And, IINM, the current answer is...YOU CAN'T!!!

        And on that basis we must TREAT ALL Muslims as we would approach the task of preparing the deadly Blowfish into a unique gustatory delight called, FUGU.

        And that is what we should reply whenever anyone suggests that anything we can do will stop Jihad.



        • #19
          Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
          How will you distinguish between good and bad Muslims?
          Would the Muslims in the link below be the good Muslims?


          • #20
            Nevermind Muslims, WE'RE the terrorists, we have become ....

            Osama, this was his goal, he reached it !!!

            Disabled teenager beaten up by TSA agents


            There have been so many outrages committed by TSA personnel over the years that we've become inured to their incompetence and arrogance. What it comes down to is this: the culture in the TSA ecourages a lack of accountability, promotion of managers who deserve to be fired, poor training of agents, and an entitled arrogance from top to bottom.

            And the traveling public are the victims.

            Victims of the new, Americanized Al Qaeda


            We've turned against ourselves.

            Go fly a .... an airplane . . . into another building, see what we do next !!!


            May the TSA and all the retarded m*%^$#@*&rs working for it burn in hell.

   - madness @ the core of time


            • #21
              Theocracies never lasted in history. The last Christian versions -"Divine Right of Kings"- went on for a few hundred years, but are long gone. Even the latin american constitutions that declare Catholicism the official state religion, are for appearances for most every issue except abortion. The Muslim theocratic versions -caliphates or sultanates- went down the last rabbit hole several decades ago. Since their demise is relatively recent, we'll see attempts to bring that form of gov't. back from the dead. Isil stated they want to spread their caliphate around the world. They will have as much success with that strategy, as Czar Nicholas had with Rasputin's revival dementia.

              Fortunately, the vast majority of Muslims are content to let the caliphates remain in the ash-heap of history. They are tolerant of various leftovers of Muslim influence with gov't. in their part of the world, because they want to survive. Having stated that, we also have to admit they are risking their safety to move away from the old despot model, ranging from old-fashioned military tinpot to ayatollah knows best "republic". Combine that risk with Muslim women starting to control their family size (limiting the fodder supply for world conquest), that means game over for the Crazy Caliphate strategy. Doesn't mean we'll see no more terrorist attacks, it just means we'll need to keep an eye on the carrot as well as the stick. Modest support for the risk-takers moving away from the despots of old, support for family planning on an individual level. Combine that with a few more decades of chopping off the heads of terrorist organizations (literally as well as figuratively), and we'll help bring in the Age of Moderation. It was done for Europe, it can be done for the ME.