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    Reports of US forces on the ground in Libya as a week long bombing campaign against ISIL continues.

    https://www.google.com/amp/reason.co...-now-in-libya/
    Last edited by JDJarvis; 08-11-2016, 09:58 AM.

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    You can thank Hillary directly for this mess.

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      And Libya has also become one of the centers of the refugee crisis, with hundreds of thousands trying to reach Italy and plenty perishing on the open sea. To not even talk about pushing a country into chaos without political plan. Obama/Clinton may have inherited the mess in Iraq, but Libya is ALSO their own mess :


      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7063311.html

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        This is an epic disaster that the left if vaguely honest here in the U.S, would simply not settle for from any other political party and they certainly wouldn't be backing one of the architects of this mess for the next President but our corrupt and insane two party system and the treacherous U.S. mass media is giving it a pass. Where are the hundreds of thousands of protestors who filled the streets globally when Bush was in office? Everyone of them who is silent on this is a traitor to their nations and humanity.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
          You can thank Hillary directly for this mess.
          Oh yes, she went against the advice of a general, an advisor, for he told her what the outcome would be. And he was right. So, this is he woman with NO judgment, that her supporters want in the oval office.

          Gadafi with his gold backed African currency is the reason he was removed and Libya destabilized, turned into a radical safe haven. In fact all of our breaking of international law in the middle east has been rooted in mammon. Any threat to the banking cabal, their future profits, drives this kind of foreign policy. All of the evidence is there to more of less prove this.

          So, now the insanity of what we have done in Libya, Iraq, and Syria starts to make sense. There is collusion between our gov't, and the banking cabal, for as many people already understand, we are no longer a democratic republic, but an oligarchy. The fuel of oligarchy is of course mammon. And it not only drives our foreign policy, but it drives open borders free trade globalization.

          So now we know, why Clinton went against the advice of a general, and it was just common sense what the general was saying. So how does Clinton get paid, for decisions done on behalf of special interests? How about 21 million for given a 30 min speech for institutions within the banking cabal?

          If you want to understand why our rulers appear to be iinsane, whether it is open borders free trade, or this destabilizing the middle east by removing their rulers, you just have to be able to follow the money, and who benefits from the blood, death and maimed American military men. If you spent the time in doing the research on this, using respectable sources, you would know as well as I do what is going on here.

          Trump, no matter what you think of the man, is a clear and present danger to this oligarchy. Clinton is a part of it, as is Obama, Bush, Clinton, and Bush Sr. You are given your choices in the presidential primaries, but the choices will always be the status quo puppets of the oligarchy, at least up until this year. We got sanders and trump. Sanders could never have won, given the rigging, the fraud. Trump surprised the oligarchy GOP and they were not prepared to keep him out, as the Dems were. But look at the tactics being used to insure he is not elected. The oligarchy will win again, no doubt, but there is a rebellion that arose, which is involved in the domestic economy, an oligarchy economy, that will persist in taking on the oligarchy. It will be interesting to see how far the two parties go, in keeping future candidates, anti oligarchy candidates from winning.

          So, you can make sense out of what appears to be idiocy, stupidity. For these rulers are not stupid. And do not be confused. There is not a conspiracy here written down on paper, greatly organized. Instead, it is elite special interests buying policy, to serve themselves. You can bet there was pressure on the ruling elite to do something about Gafafi, with his gold back African currency shared by several African nations, which he was working on. How would this have affected the Petro Dollar? How would it have affected the whole paradigm of the petro dollar? Does the banking cabal care about the petro dollar? Remember our banking system is not a bank owned by the People, a true national bank. It is owned by the private sector, by very rich eliites who control money supply. If you control the supply of money of a nation like America, that is better than ruling over nations in an official title. There is a great quote about this, from one of the bankers involved in making our national banking system owned by private sector elites.

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          • #6
            Yep, it does kind of show that going in and bombing a country back to the stone age and then buggering off again may not be a great strategy. The locals kind of resent it for some unknown reason who could have guessed.

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              Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
              Yep, it does kind of show that going in and bombing a country back to the stone age and then buggering off again may not be a great strategy. The locals kind of resent it for some unknown reason who could have guessed.
              Strange isn't it? For some odd reasonThe West and Washington especially thinks you can get away with fighting a 1/3rd or 1/2 a war and just deciding it's over before anything is really resolved or put in place to stabilize a region after the damage is done.

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                Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

                Strange isn't it? For some odd reasonThe West and Washington especially thinks you can get away with fighting a 1/3rd or 1/2 a war and just deciding it's over before anything is really resolved or put in place to stabilize a region after the damage is done.
                Germany after WW2 is a great example of a country the US could have left in ruins but you didn't you stayed and put in money and kept troops on the ground (along with the UK) and Germany is now Europe's largest economy. How this rather plain and obvious lesson has been forgotten is amazing.

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                  In the case of Germany, we actually conducted a war. We haven't had the stomach to do that since.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                    In the case of Germany, we actually conducted a war. We haven't had the stomach to do that since.
                    I think you missed my point in that the country was smashed just as Libya and Iraq were but we decided to stay and help the Germans rebuild unlike the recent examples were we did a minimal amount of rebuilding and the result has been less than impressive.
                    The allies certainly did go to war against Iraq and killed tens of thousands and decimated the enemy I'm unsure what more exactly you expect.
                    Not every war needs to be total war and I'm rather puzzled that you somehow seem to think it should be.

                    Are you saying Vietnam wasn't a real war as you lost quite a few people during that, would you like to explain to those that took part why it wasn't a real war.

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                      Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post

                      I think you missed my point in that the country was smashed just as Libya and Iraq were but we decided to stay and help the Germans rebuild unlike the recent examples were we did a minimal amount of rebuilding and the result has been less than impressive.
                      The allies certainly did go to war against Iraq and killed tens of thousands and decimated the enemy I'm unsure what more exactly you expect.
                      Not every war needs to be total war and I'm rather puzzled that you somehow seem to think it should be.

                      Are you saying Vietnam wasn't a real war as you lost quite a few people during that, would you like to explain to those that took part why it wasn't a real war.
                      I was part of that Vietnam "war." I rode on B-52 bombers that bombed the Ho Chi Minh trail daily. We would bomb a stretch of road and the Cong would keep their bulldozers parked off to the side of the road and fill in the craters. They didn't even bother to keep them too far from the road because they knew our bombers were accurate enough to hit the road. It was a running joke. We bomb the trail, they fill it in. We never bombed DaNang until the final days of the war and that was just a parting shot. We never intended to win that war and to get the enemy to surrender as happened in WWII. The same is true in the Mid East. The enemy has not surrendered, and we are doing nothing to make that happen.

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                        August 13 News ISIS is on the run in Syria Yay1 Maybe Donald Trump won't have to water board every Muslim in the world.

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                          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                          I was part of that Vietnam "war." I rode on B-52 bombers that bombed the Ho Chi Minh trail daily. We would bomb a stretch of road and the Cong would keep their bulldozers parked off to the side of the road and fill in the craters. They didn't even bother to keep them too far from the road because they knew our bombers were accurate enough to hit the road. It was a running joke. We bomb the trail, they fill it in. We never bombed DaNang until the final days of the war and that was just a parting shot. We never intended to win that war and to get the enemy to surrender as happened in WWII. The same is true in the Mid East. The enemy has not surrendered, and we are doing nothing to make that happen.
                          So you think the thing that will win a war against terrorists is bombing cities full of civilians?
                          How would that have helped in Vietnam or now as all that will do is make sure you have zero international support while achieving precisely nothing.

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                            Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post

                            Germany after WW2 is a great example of a country the US could have left in ruins but you didn't you stayed and put in money and kept troops on the ground (along with the UK) and Germany is now Europe's largest economy. How this rather plain and obvious lesson has been forgotten is amazing.


                            Well, Germany was a highly developed country with an unquestionable high degree of organization, education and management even when in ruins after the war. It was/is furthermore actually a nation, unlike Libya, Iraq or Syria that are artificial political constructs with borders drawn by colonial powers. Germans were able to build on political and economical know-how, the Allies were careful not to repeat the mistakes after WW I, and then of course they were smart enough to leave administrative structures in place, as long as they were not clearly linked to Naziism. By late 1945 administration was up and running pretty much already, to a degree not existent in Libya. Today.

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                              Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                              This is an epic disaster that the left if vaguely honest here in the U.S, would simply not settle for from any other political party and they certainly wouldn't be backing one of the architects of this mess for the next President but our corrupt and insane two party system and the treacherous U.S. mass media is giving it a pass. Where are the hundreds of thousands of protestors who filled the streets globally when Bush was in office? Everyone of them who is silent on this is a traitor to their nations and humanity.
                              Yes, the blindness of the US on the refugee crisis ( that is arguably the worst crisis of our times in this part of the world) does not cease to amaze even fair-minded observers. Yes, we also have our problems, and yes, we most likely would prefer to spend all that money on something else, but seriousy, and to mention only a small piece of the story : The Yazidi people are a small, very archaic ( non-Islamic) minority, mostly based in northern Iraq. The ISs treatment of the Yazidi has been qualified by the UN as genocide, they mostly execute boys and men, and they typically force girls and women into sex slavery. Around 2000 Yazidi women and girls are estimated to have escaped IS captivity and usually they have nowhere left to go, their communities wiped out and their families often dispersed throughout the world. There is (regrettably) only one country offering help : Germany has a resettlement program specifically designed for them :


                              https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...-enslaved-isis

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