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All Is Not Well With The MSM and Obama's CIC Performance

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  • #31
    Re: All Is Not Well With The MSM and Obama's CIC Performance

    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
    It doesn't matter if we announce it or not. As I have said prior, once the US leaves that nation goes back to what it was when we invaded.
    Not true. Germany, Japan, Tripoli, Italy, Mexico, I can go on and on and on about this. The problem mostly happens when there is only an invasion, and no form of "regieme change". In Vietnam we never forced a capitulation on North Vietnam, nor did we in North Korea. But when we forced the old government to collapse, normally it was for the better.

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    • #32
      Re: All Is Not Well With The MSM and Obama's CIC Performance

      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
      I'm not so sure that you are not prematurely dismissing the threat. I guess we’ll find out after the last of the combat troops are pulled out.
      Well, I understand the military community has a two-dimensional analysis of the subject but the layman only thinks of threat in one dimension; do they want to hurt us? The pro's consider beyond mere motivation but opportunity, i.e., capacity to execute a threat.

      In the event they re-gain the capacity to execute a threat, we can always go in again at that time as opposed to remaining there during the interim.

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      • #33
        Re: All Is Not Well With The MSM and Obama's CIC Performance

        Originally posted by JohnLocke View Post
        Well, I understand the military community has a two-dimensional analysis of the subject but the layman only thinks of threat in one dimension; do they want to hurt us? The pro's consider beyond mere motivation but opportunity, i.e., capacity to execute a threat.

        In the event they re-gain the capacity to execute a threat, we can always go in again at that time as opposed to remaining there during the interim.
        So in other words like weeds and multiple applications of Round Up during the course of the summer.

        I was under the impressions that it's bad strategy to pay for the same ground more than once, unless there's a tactical advantage to do so.

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        • #34
          Re: All Is Not Well With The MSM and Obama's CIC Performance

          Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
          So in other words like weeds and multiple applications of Round Up during the course of the summer.

          I was under the impressions that it's bad strategy to pay for the same ground more than once, unless there's a tactical advantage to do so.
          It's bad strategy, from a national point of view, mind you, not a business point of view, to send our tax dollars to a foreign economy.

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          • #35
            Re: All Is Not Well With The MSM and Obama's CIC Performance

            We fought Germany twice, England twice. Why? B/c the war ended. It seems you have accepted the military industrial complex's notion of perpetual war.

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            • #36
              Re: All Is Not Well With The MSM and Obama's CIC Performance

              Originally posted by JohnLocke View Post
              We fought Germany twice, England twice. Why? B/c the war ended. It seems you have accepted the military industrial complex's notion of perpetual war.
              I wish the Muslim extremists would quit, so we wouldn't have perpetual war. But I'd like to do it thoroughly, and be done with it on a permanent basis, rather than an endless repeat with breaks in between.

              Well, let's just say that you might be swinging me around to your perspective, but I just have a few questions or comments. At the very minimum, I acknowledge your position as a valid one to have, which seems to escape some.

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              • #37
                Re: All Is Not Well With The MSM and Obama's CIC Performance

                Originally posted by Imawhosure View Post
                I suggest you watch "the bombing of Germany." It appears according to this documentary, that much longer than we Americans were aware of, our philosophy was to bomb or destroy only military targets or economic targets, and totally shy away from the civilian population.......even as we used rudimentary bomb sites by todays standards.

                In fact------>Roosevelt proclaimed at the begining of our involvement of the war, that we would NOT bomb or attack civilian centers at all. The British did not concur with this philosophy, since the luftwaffe had continuously bombed anything they could throughout the start of the war, including London.

                We tried this tact up to the point that we lost 100,000 of our airmen. At that point, it was told that the only way to end the war before the start of 1946 was to bring Germany to her knees, and thus we went along with the British and bombed the center of Berlin, and firebombed Dresden which allowed the Russians to march into the reich must faster, thus ending the war in mid 1945 with Germany.

                The point is---------->I agree with many posters on this site, that the only way we are going to have military credibility with a region of the world so bassackwards is-------->to warn them what will happen if any involvement from their soil is sent formally, or unformally, to attack our interests. If that happens, destroy the country totally after telling the civilians to leave by leaflets, and if they do not, destroy the country anyway. And then.....do not rebuild it, period!

                We may not like it, but it is the only way to secure peace at least temporarily. If we leave these countrys intact after they show aggression towards us or our interests, we get bogged down in things like Iraq, or Afghanistan.

                All the American people are tired of this, and more than you think would go for fair warning, then destroying them if they broke their word.
                (My emphasis)
                The Allied bombing campaign against Germany in WWII had v. little to do with ending the war. The Germans used slave labor, POWs, civilians to rebuild factories either on-site or in hardened sites - see the Bombing Effectiveness Reports put together by the USAAF post-WWII. The USSR mostly defeated Germany - with material help from the Allies, to be sure. But the USSR incurred such heavy losses that they collapsed (for economic reasons too, tcertainly) in the 1990s.

                The UK & related miscalculated the cost & duration of the war - they went broke in the fall of 1944, as I recall. That information is also available, if not often declared openly. (No point offending our allies, after all.)

                A scorched-earth policy is possible against Al Queda in Iraq & Afghanistan. The late, unlamented USSR tried the same in Afghan, & look what it got them. They went full fury, everything but nukes. It did not avail them anythng, except the revulsion of the World. It wasn't even effective militarily against the Mujahadeen. I believe we've learned from their bad example - we're pulling out of Afghan, come Hell or high water ...

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                • #38
                  Re: All Is Not Well With The MSM and Obama's CIC Performance

                  Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                  I wish the Muslim extremists would quit, so we wouldn't have perpetual war. But I'd like to do it thoroughly, and be done with it on a permanent basis, rather than an endless repeat with breaks in between.
                  The problem here is that the Muslims themselves have to have the desire to change.

                  And yes, it is very possible. Islam has had it's "Golden Ages", when Christianity was the most backwards religion in the world. Where they made greats advances in philosophy and science while Christians burned people for being different, or daring to claim something as revolutionary as the Earth not being the center of the Universe.

                  However, they themselves have to make this step themselves, nobody can make them do it. And I can think of one nation that pretty much did exactly this in the recent past.

                  In 1945, Japan made the conscious choice to disband the majority of their Armed Forces. After starting a catastrophic war wich almost destroyed their nation, they made the choice to not use it again, and turned it's industry from weapons of war to innovation. Japan is much more prosperous then it would have been even if it had won the war.

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                  • #39
                    Re: All Is Not Well With The MSM and Obama's CIC Performance

                    Originally posted by Mushroom View Post
                    Islam has had it's "Golden Ages"
                    Islam's Golden Age of religious tolerance, simply stated, "If you observe your religion, we will let you live. If you do not observe your religion and do not convert to Islam, you will die.".
                    Secularism is a deal breaker for Islam.

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