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  • Re: Obama negotiates &amp;quot;peace in his time&amp;quot;...

    Originally posted by jet57 View Post
    I coudn't have said it better myself. It's inevitable I suppose, just like a lot of things. Sometimes I get the feeling that market forces would just like for the baby boomers to just hurry up and die so that they can get on with business.
    I'd just add that 3D metal printing isn't going to replace all metal parts. There are some metal parts that are forged for instance, because of the temperatures and stresses the parts have to hold up to, that 3D metal printing parts are going to be able to manage very well, nor would I believe that 3D metal printing will be cost effective in all cases.

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    • Re: Obama negotiates &amp;quot;peace in his time&amp;quot;...

      Originally posted by jet57 View Post
      I coudn't have said it better myself. It's inevitable I suppose, just like a lot of things. Sometimes I get the feeling that market forces would just like for the baby boomers to just hurry up and die so that they can get on with business.
      well... yeah....

      No offense dude. My own parents are boomers (tail end). But its because there are 5 of yall to 1 of me that this whole system is tanking. It WORKED when it was the other way round (5 boomers to 1 WW2), but this shit is just not mathematically sound. SS, medicare etc all that? THATS why we're tanking.
      So yeah. The market is kinda waiting for yall to die.

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      • Re: Obama negotiates &amp;quot;peace in his time&amp;quot;...

        Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
        Wow....you're actually admitting to succumbing to the "us vs them" mentality.
        since they call us the "great satan" and have exhorted for outright elimination of us several times, yeah I do. They started it. They want to play hardball. I say we let them try. And then smack them down like the red headed stepchildren they are.

        Are you somehow intimating that IRAN is somehow part of the united states?

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        • Re: Obama negotiates &amp;quot;peace in his time&amp;quot;...

          Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
          I'd just add that 3D metal printing isn't going to replace all metal parts. There are some metal parts that are forged for instance, because of the temperatures and stresses the parts have to hold up to, that 3D metal printing parts are going to be able to manage very well, nor would I believe that 3D metal printing will be cost effective in all cases.
          You don't know a whole lot about 3d printing. Granted, there will still be forged materials. But they already make high stress metal parts by 3d printing. How much stress you think a .45 takes?
          World's First 3D Printed Metal Gun Manufactured by Solid Concepts » Solid Concepts, Inc.

          a wiki to point you in the right direction 3D printing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          Its coming and FAST. They are already releasing open source diagrams for metal capable printers that run about 1500. The ones you can buy run 200k. Its gonna get bad man. I'm telling you now.

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          • Re: Obama negotiates &amp;quot;peace in his time&amp;quot;...

            Originally posted by reality View Post
            You don't know a whole lot about 3d printing. Granted, there will still be forged materials. But they already make high stress metal parts by 3d printing. How much stress you think a .45 takes?
            World's First 3D Printed Metal Gun Manufactured by Solid Concepts » Solid Concepts, Inc.

            a wiki to point you in the right direction 3D printing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            Its coming and FAST. They are already releasing open source diagrams for metal capable printers that run about 1500. The ones you can buy run 200k. Its gonna get bad man. I'm telling you now.
            Fair enough. I've not kept current on 3D metal printing.

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            • Re: Obama negotiates &amp;quot;peace in his time&amp;quot;...

              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
              LOL. I think you nailed it oldman. This does seem to be the case with some on the left side.

              Being an old time sort of liberal, actually makes me conservative on some issues. I believe every American should own guns, if they want them. I also believe allowing a Theocracy to have nuclear weapons is like using a flaming torch to inspect a room full of dynamite with fuses sticking out everywhere. Where I differ from cons on this though is that I want honest diplomacy to be given every chance to work. If that fails completely and we know with 100 percent certainty that Iran was working on the bomb I have no qualms about totally destroying every creature in Iran that controls that theocracy. And I don't mean a partial war, but an attack like the world has not seen since the bombing in ww2 of Germany. Blast em back to the stone age so it would take a hundred years to recover enough to even think about making their own nuclear bombs.

              Sad to say, there are times in human history when the only solution to a great problem is to kill everything that moves, although our modern sensibilities recoil at such barbarous acts. I hate war, period. But if you HAVE to indulge in it, you go in to totally destroy the enemy, to the last man. No half measures. And that has been what America has done since ww2, half measures, which generally sends us home defeated with too many young americans giving up their lives for absolutely NOTHING. That is what we should never tolerate even if it does make some elites richer than ever. I see most conflicts we have engaged in as nothing more than filling the purses of defense contractors with BLOOD MONEY. The blood of young americans. I am fed up with it. So while I hate war and it should always be a last resort, if you do go to war, go in it to win it. Otherwise stay the hell home.
              You're actually advocating genocide of an entire nation of people, that we're not even engaged in a war with.

              And all for Israel right....so it never happens to them again.

              Wow......

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              • Re: Obama negotiates &amp;quot;peace in his time&amp;quot;...

                Originally posted by reality View Post
                since they call us the "great satan" and have exhorted for outright elimination of us several times, yeah I do. They started it. They want to play hardball. I say we let them try. And then smack them down like the red headed stepchildren they are.

                Are you somehow intimating that IRAN is somehow part of the united states?
                It's just saber rattling. I use to be just like you.

                It's almost funny that a 3rd world country can make citizens of America the Superpower become so rattled. Did you ever notice Ahmedinjad always had a shit eating grin on his face when he talked. It's almost like a game to them and they think it's funny.

                Just remember the Iranian military is no match for the US military. The theocracy knows that. Iranians definitely know that. They do not want war with America. I have known quite a few Iranians in my day. They were actually very nice people and trust me, they don't want America bombing Iran. They know Iran is not winning that war.

                The theocracy is playing the classic 3rd world dictator game of talk shit to the superpower to make themselves look good to those masses of people who will believe it. People who fall for the "us vs them" way of looking at things.

                Sometimes the best route is not let yourself get antagonized.

                It's called choosing your battles wisely.

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                • Re: Obama negotiates &amp;quot;peace in his time&amp;quot;...

                  Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                  Fair enough. I've not kept current on 3D metal printing.
                  its come a long way in a few short years and the media hasn't said a thing about it so don't feel bad. They only got their panties in a twist recently cause now you can make guns out of it. The plastic ones (Liberator) are crap and break after about 5 shots. The new metal one hasn't had a failure reported that i'm aware of.

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                  • Re: Obama negotiates &amp;quot;peace in his time&amp;quot;...

                    Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
                    It's just saber rattling. I use to be just like you.

                    It's almost funny that a 3rd world country can make citizens of America the Superpower become so rattled. Did you ever notice Ahmedinjad always had a shit eating grin on his face when he talked. It's almost like a game to them and they think it's funny.

                    Just remember the Iranian military is no match for the US military. The theocracy knows that. Iranians definitely know that. They do not want war with America. I have known quite a few Iranians in my day. They were actually very nice people and trust me, they don't want America bombing Iran. They know Iran is not winning that war.

                    The theocracy is playing the classic 3rd world dictator game of talk shit to the superpower to make themselves look good to those masses of people who will believe it. People who fall for the "us vs them" way of looking at things.

                    Sometimes the best route is not let yourself get antagonized.

                    It's called choosing your battles wisely.
                    Yes our ground game is better than theirs. Our air force too. None of that matters if they get nukes, otherwise we would've lost the cold war HARD cause russia would've spanked us HARD with numbers.
                    A wise man chooses overwhelming force against his professed enemy BEFORE said enemy acquires overwhelming force of his own. Nukes BEING said overwhelming force.

                    As to saber rattling: International dealings are like prison. You play by prison rules which are alot like the rules of trial law. Play by the rules, but let the other guy make the rules. He wants to be cool, be cool. No problems. He wants to be an asshole and start some shit? Finish it for him and do so in a way that leaves you unquestioned and unassailable. DESTROY him. Utterly. Otherwise he'll EVENTUALLY make a move and you might not survive that because all it takes is one lucky blow when you're not ready. If you don't destroy him IMMEDIATELY and UTTERLY he simply comes back stronger than before and you have to go through all the BS again. SEE Weimar germany and what happened with that.

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                    • Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                      Even nukes would not change the final outcome of a nuclear conflict with Iran, other than the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dead civilians on either side.

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                      • Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                        Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                        Even nukes would not change the final outcome of a nuclear conflict with Iran, other than the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dead civilians on either side.
                        except that setting off that many nukes over here would be a "bad thing" environmentally speaking. For US that is. Whereas iran setting off a bunch of nukes in israel would not effect us overmuch. problem (other than hanging our allies out to dry which is kinda fucked up) is they wouldn't stop there. They'd simply build up until they could nuke us too.
                        If we're GOING to do something about Iran getting nukes, this sanctions bullshit is not the answer nor is getting them to the negotiating table and giving them a handy under the desk. If you actually want to stop them then nothing short of total war will do it.
                        So do that, or just back the fuck off and let it happen already.

                        For those of you who don't think violence can solve anything: Come over here. Now I'm going to beat the shit out of you until you either a) do what I say or b) defend yourself with violence thus proving my point.

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                        • Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                          I see nothing good coming from this agreement. All that has been done is ease the economy of Iran by exacting a promise that from day one of the agreement they have said they were going to ignore.

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                          • Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                            Originally posted by momsapplepie View Post
                            I see nothing good coming from this agreement. All that has been done is ease the economy of Iran by exacting a promise that from day one of the agreement they have said they were going to ignore.
                            But it makes the Libs "feel" good. That has to be worth something.

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                            • Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                              Originally posted by reality View Post
                              except that setting off that many nukes over here would be a "bad thing" environmentally speaking. For US that is. Whereas iran setting off a bunch of nukes in israel would not effect us overmuch. problem (other than hanging our allies out to dry which is kinda fucked up) is they wouldn't stop there. They'd simply build up until they could nuke us too.
                              If we're GOING to do something about Iran getting nukes, this sanctions bullshit is not the answer nor is getting them to the negotiating table and giving them a handy under the desk. If you actually want to stop them then nothing short of total war will do it.
                              So do that, or just back the fuck off and let it happen already.

                              For those of you who don't think violence can solve anything: Come over here. Now I'm going to beat the shit out of you until you either a) do what I say or b) defend yourself with violence thus proving my point.
                              No thanks. I'll go for answer "c", Bob: Use the threat of extinction to keep the enemy in a rational state of mind (more or less). Israel has moles and assassins in Iran already. They can also deliver a nuclear warhead or 4 into some very intimate corners of Iran, within several minutes. Although their Cleric/Dictators claim they are willing martyrs for Islam, they don't want to flush the rest of their evil plot for world domination down the drain. A castrated (nuked) Iran would give the world that "courtesy flush".

                              Sounds like a plot involving "Dr. Evil" in one of our more recent parodies of spy movies. And yet, strangely, it works.

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                              • Re: Obama negotiates &amp;quot;peace in his time&amp;quot;...

                                Originally posted by reality View Post
                                well... yeah....

                                No offense dude. My own parents are boomers (tail end). But its because there are 5 of yall to 1 of me that this whole system is tanking. It WORKED when it was the other way round (5 boomers to 1 WW2), but this shit is just not mathematically sound. SS, medicare etc all that? THATS why we're tanking.
                                So yeah. The market is kinda waiting for yall to die.
                                Well, it's too bad that buisness wants your parents to hurry up and die.

                                We're tanking because contributions to social security and payroll taxes have been eviscerated. Fedneral income has not been able to keep up with demand because the markets have left everyone for dead as in late 2007. If your banka coount charges you a percentage each month and you stop contributing to your balance inorder to avoid the fees, then after while the fees are going to take all the money in your account.

                                That's been part of plan: Wall Street wants to privatize every nickle that passes through this country so that they can skim 2 % of it right off the top. If you don't that ponzi scheme commin, then you need glasses.

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