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  • #16
    Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

    Originally posted by radcentr View Post
    By far the most likely outcome is: The psycho won't use his nukes, even if he gets one. Can't have any fun being a psycho if one is reduced to radioactive ash. Much more fun making empty threats with a nuke, in that case. The psycho can save lots of money, too, because he doesn't need to actually have a nuke. Just provide some evidence that he could have one. Tehran has cheaper electric bills, the grand ayatollah can pretend to threaten the enemies of Allah; the Israelis, Europe and the US can pretend to be intimidated, the press can pretend it's a big crisis & everyone needs to watch 24/7 coverage. Everybody's happy in this latest political thriller, available in theaters near you.
    Pretty sure that was the gamble in Syria, and we see how well that turned out.

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    • #17
      Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

      Originally posted by radcentr View Post
      Time to get with the program. Empire is over. Fighting world wars with massed armies facing off against each other, is over. Tehran is Islamic and not trusted by more than a few neighbors, among them other Muslim states. More than one of those states has nukes, if we include the non-Muslim neighbor. I sleep soundly, knowing that national leaders around the world just can't fight wars like the "good old days". Because, no matter how psychotic a given leader might be, he still wants to survive. Nuclear warheads on ballistic missiles makes his personal survival the first thing to be targeted.
      So the plan is to sit back and wait for Iran to get nukes, knowing that if they get them, MAD will kick in?

      I would prefer to to fight conventional wars where we can actually fight for principles, instead of over the survival of the species.

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      • #18
        Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

        I am more concerned with nuclear material disappearing. Then some dirty bomb goes off somewhere.

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        • #19
          Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

          "Blessed are the peacemakers"

          I don't expect anyone who leans right to like this. I don't expect the right to like it even if it turns out well for all involved. They will not like anything Obama is involved in. But they will not be the final judge, thank god, history will. And personally I hope history proves them wrong, not because I like Obama but because I am sick and tired of these never ending wars, and the killing of americans who joined the military to defend americans and America. We have not had a war in defense since ww2. We have even told lies to get into some of these non defensive wars.

          And so I applaud these attempts by this administration. If the attempts fail, well at least we tried. Blessed are the peacemakers.

          BTW, it is well known that Iran wanting to remove Israel from the map was a misinterpretation of the language used by Iran. How handy was that? And still you hear this being bantered about, the mis translation of language. Just another lie from the war mongers who make sure their own sons don't serve in these wars and conflicts. We send the lower class folks to die for the upper crust with their bank accounts filled by defense contracts.

          Truth is, there are some people who would rather keep Iran an enemy. But how long did it take america to create the atomic bomb from scratch? If Iran wanted a nuke they would already have it. How long have they supposedly been working on one? LOL. And even if they did have one, so what? Would they destroy their own nation just to shoot one off at Israel? Israel would unleash their arsenal before Iran's missile even left their own air space.

          I have no doubts that in the future the use of nukes won't be much of an issue. We are probably closer than you think at taking out any missile before it could reach its destination. When we have that capability, and others don't, that is a game changer. And we will have that, if we already don't. Since we could not win another war like ww2, due to our deindustrialization with China now having our lost industrial power, being the top dog in nuclear defense is the only ace card we will have.

          The only real threat that faces the US today is communist china. That is where all of our attention should be directed, instead of these backwater nations in the middle east. China is a real and present danger going into the future. And the size of the military they could muster with 1.5 billion people should be our concern, instead of being so distracted by these back water nations in the deserts of the middle east.

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          • #20
            Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

            Now someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that John Kerry promised Hassan Rouhani (President of Iran) that if he liked his nuclear program, he could keep his nuclear program and that no one was going to force him to buy a different one.

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            • #21
              Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
              "Blessed are the peacemakers"

              I don't expect anyone who leans right to like this. I don't expect the right to like it even if it turns out well for all involved. They will not like anything Obama is involved in. But they will not be the final judge, thank god, history will. And personally I hope history proves them wrong, not because I like Obama but because I am sick and tired of these never ending wars, and the killing of americans who joined the military to defend americans and America. We have not had a war in defense since ww2. We have even told lies to get into some of these non defensive wars.

              And so I applaud these attempts by this administration. If the attempts fail, well at least we tried. Blessed are the peacemakers.
              I would like to agree with you. I can't.

              When both Israel and Saudi Arabia are not only dead set against it, AND are ready to spend their 'blood and treasure' to go around it... this so called peace isn't worth having. And why is that? They know what you perhaps don't: Iran lies. Iran and it's leadership cannot be trusted. Period...

              Anyway... this isn't about Iran, or Israel or Saudi Arabia... this peace treaty is all about Obama. HE needs it far more than Iran does, after all, it doesn't really limit them anyway, and will get many of the sanctions lifted if only for a while. And they will them go back on it, continue to work on their bomb and once they get one, use it. Obama needs this treaty... he needs the win, he needs the good news... even if it doesn't last.

              And none of that takes nothing away from what you said about China.

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              • #22
                Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                "Blessed are the peacemakers"

                I don't expect anyone who leans right to like this. I don't expect the right to like it even if it turns out well for all involved. They will not like anything Obama is involved in. But they will not be the final judge, thank god, history will. And personally I hope history proves them wrong, not because I like Obama but because I am sick and tired of these never ending wars, and the killing of americans who joined the military to defend americans and America. We have not had a war in defense since ww2. We have even told lies to get into some of these non defensive wars.

                And so I applaud these attempts by this administration. If the attempts fail, well at least we tried. Blessed are the peacemakers.

                BTW, it is well known that Iran wanting to remove Israel from the map was a misinterpretation of the language used by Iran. How handy was that? And still you hear this being bantered about, the mis translation of language. Just another lie from the war mongers who make sure their own sons don't serve in these wars and conflicts. We send the lower class folks to die for the upper crust with their bank accounts filled by defense contracts.

                Truth is, there are some people who would rather keep Iran an enemy. But how long did it take america to create the atomic bomb from scratch? If Iran wanted a nuke they would already have it. How long have they supposedly been working on one? LOL. And even if they did have one, so what? Would they destroy their own nation just to shoot one off at Israel? Israel would unleash their arsenal before Iran's missile even left their own air space.

                I have no doubts that in the future the use of nukes won't be much of an issue. We are probably closer than you think at taking out any missile before it could reach its destination. When we have that capability, and others don't, that is a game changer. And we will have that, if we already don't. Since we could not win another war like ww2, due to our deindustrialization with China now having our lost industrial power, being the top dog in nuclear defense is the only ace card we will have.

                The only real threat that faces the US today is communist china. That is where all of our attention should be directed, instead of these backwater nations in the middle east. China is a real and present danger going into the future. And the size of the military they could muster with 1.5 billion people should be our concern, instead of being so distracted by these back water nations in the deserts of the middle east.
                Peace only works when everyone chooses to be peaceful.

                Iran has been providing military support for its proxy wars all over the ME for more than a decade and hasn't acted in good faith since the 70's. To trust them with a nuclear program would be like trusting Ted Bundy with a steak knife in a sorority house.

                On top of that the US left so much as a mention of that preacher who is locked up over there off the table. Let's think about this...they didn't give a damn about the people on the ground in Libya and now they don't care about this guy either. It sure seems to me that the Obama administration has ONLY their agenda on their minds and they could care less about the people they screw over while while buffing up their optics.

                The Obama administration has been an unmitigated disaster for the US. Whether that disaster is an intentional creation or simple incompetence is the only real question we and the rest of the world should be asking.

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                • #23
                  Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                  Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                  "Blessed are the peacemakers"

                  I don't expect anyone who leans right to like this. I don't expect the right to like it even if it turns out well for all involved. They will not like anything Obama is involved in. But they will not be the final judge, thank god, history will. And personally I hope history proves them wrong, not because I like Obama but because I am sick and tired of these never ending wars, and the killing of americans who joined the military to defend americans and America. We have not had a war in defense since ww2. We have even told lies to get into some of these non defensive wars.

                  And so I applaud these attempts by this administration. If the attempts fail, well at least we tried. Blessed are the peacemakers.

                  BTW, it is well known that Iran wanting to remove Israel from the map was a misinterpretation of the language used by Iran. How handy was that? And still you hear this being bantered about, the mis translation of language. Just another lie from the war mongers who make sure their own sons don't serve in these wars and conflicts. We send the lower class folks to die for the upper crust with their bank accounts filled by defense contracts.

                  Truth is, there are some people who would rather keep Iran an enemy. But how long did it take america to create the atomic bomb from scratch? If Iran wanted a nuke they would already have it. How long have they supposedly been working on one? LOL. And even if they did have one, so what? Would they destroy their own nation just to shoot one off at Israel? Israel would unleash their arsenal before Iran's missile even left their own air space.

                  I have no doubts that in the future the use of nukes won't be much of an issue. We are probably closer than you think at taking out any missile before it could reach its destination. When we have that capability, and others don't, that is a game changer. And we will have that, if we already don't. Since we could not win another war like ww2, due to our deindustrialization with China now having our lost industrial power, being the top dog in nuclear defense is the only ace card we will have.

                  The only real threat that faces the US today is communist china. That is where all of our attention should be directed, instead of these backwater nations in the middle east. China is a real and present danger going into the future. And the size of the military they could muster with 1.5 billion people should be our concern, instead of being so distracted by these back water nations in the deserts of the middle east.
                  Didn't Clinton negotiate something similar awhile back with North Korea? Like shutdown your nuke plants, and we'll give you food and oil? Yeah that was it. You know that North Korea re-started their nuke plants before the last food shipment arrived.

                  I'm thinking something similar is going to happen here.

                  I think that Obama is so desperate to bend the national conversation away from ObamaCare, oh, excuse me, UnAffordable-Try-To-Get-Care, that he'd throw just about anyone under the bus, including long standing allies in the Middle East. Not a dependable ally he.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                    I don't want peace.
                    I want all out war geared to obliterate the enemy.
                    None of the childish politically correct maneuvering with the press corp tagging along.
                    If the press tag along, they should expect to see lots of destruction.
                    Then Halliburton can rebuild.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                      Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                      "Blessed are the peacemakers"

                      I don't expect anyone who leans right to like this. I don't expect the right to like it even if it turns out well for all involved. They will not like anything Obama is involved in. But they will not be the final judge, thank god, history will. And personally I hope history proves them wrong, not because I like Obama but because I am sick and tired of these never ending wars, and the killing of americans who joined the military to defend americans and America. We have not had a war in defense since ww2. We have even told lies to get into some of these non defensive wars.

                      And so I applaud these attempts by this administration. If the attempts fail, well at least we tried. Blessed are the peacemakers.

                      BTW, it is well known that Iran wanting to remove Israel from the map was a misinterpretation of the language used by Iran. How handy was that? And still you hear this being bantered about, the mis translation of language. Just another lie from the war mongers who make sure their own sons don't serve in these wars and conflicts. We send the lower class folks to die for the upper crust with their bank accounts filled by defense contracts.


                      If you are sick and tied of americans [sic] being killed in stupid wars why are you not posting against the Obama-escalated war in Afghanistan and his attempts to hammer in a "Security Agreement" extending the US Commitment? No American soldiers have ever died on Israeli soil defending Israeli soil so I do not get how this agreement is in any way going to prevent american [sic] bloodshed in the middle east.

                      If anything, this destabilizes the region. How secure does it make anything if Saudi Arabia is LEADING the push back? How secure are things now that Israel knows it must massively increase its alleged nuke program? How stable is the region now that Israel is likely to do something unexpected like the Raid on Entebe Airport?

                      Obama caved. It's a sell out to get him some bragging rights as his popularity plummets. Next will be the Afghan Security agreement that Karsai refuses to sign until after their elections. It's all for domestic consumption so the PR machine that is the White House can spin it into something the opposite of what it is.

                      Americans need to remember, this is the president who declared that Israel had to return to it's 1967 borders and was shot down by the entire international community led by the then leading nation in NATO, France and delivered verbally by Stephen Harper, the midget on the international stage at the G-8 talks in Paris. The rest of the world saw that as the real spanking it was.

                      This is not a man who easily grasps the complexities of international politics; he doesn't even know history for f**k sakes. Based on his foreign policy record, with such success as relations with European nations, particularly Germany and Sweden, Canada who have turned their back on any and all future military parties, thank you, Egypt, Benghazi, Syria et alia, anything these clowns say is more fodder for the late night comedy shows.

                      And please, if it is so well know that wiping Israel off the map is a misinterpretation then post it. If you can, give me the original Persian so I can get my neighbor to translate it.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                        Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                        I don't want peace.
                        I want all out war geared to obliterate the enemy.
                        None of the childish politically correct maneuvering with the press corp tagging along.
                        If the press tag along, they should expect to see lots of destruction.
                        Then Halliburton can rebuild.
                        If you're gonna waste the lives, money and time on a war at least do it right so you don't have to do it again or for like 10 years straight AND get something out of it. We should've taken all iraqs oil and that 6trillion dollar mountain range in afghanistan for our trouble, and we should've carpet bombed falluhjah after a 3 day warning. ROEs need to change as well.
                        Or we need to stay home. But one or the other.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                          Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                          Didn't Clinton negotiate something similar awhile back with North Korea? Like shutdown your nuke plants, and we'll give you food and oil? Yeah that was it. You know that North Korea re-started their nuke plants before the last food shipment arrived.

                          I'm thinking something similar is going to happen here.

                          I think that Obama is so desperate to bend the national conversation away from ObamaCare, oh, excuse me, UnAffordable-Try-To-Get-Care, that he'd throw just about anyone under the bus, including long standing allies in the Middle East. Not a dependable ally he.
                          Well, then there was Libya too. How American regime change would make them an ally.

                          And there was Egypt, Obama's great plan there to co-exist with Islam.

                          This city has a huge Iranian population. THEY don't trust the government of Iran, they left because they fear war.

                          To say this will bring peace is like saying you can calm down a gun fight by adding bigger guns. There is no way in hell, Israel is not going to at least dramatically escalate its nuke program, or not do a run and gun raid on Tehran.

                          Look at Israel's record. Does anyone actually believe they are going top simply sit there?

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                          • #28
                            Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                            Originally posted by reality View Post
                            If you're gonna waste the lives, money and time on a war at least do it right so you don't have to do it again or for like 10 years straight AND get something out of it. We should've taken all iraqs oil and that 6trillion dollar mountain range in afghanistan for our trouble, and we should've carpet bombed falluhjah after a 3 day warning. ROEs need to change as well.
                            Or we need to stay home. But one or the other.
                            I'm good with that...

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                            • #29
                              Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                              Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                              Did you mean "now"?
                              Yes, corrected. Thank You

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                              • #30
                                Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                                I have no clue why anyone here would believe the Mullahs or why any of them would believe Obama or Kerry. Did he promise them that if they liked their nukes they could keep their nukes?

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