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  • #91
    Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
    So umm, where is the link that supports your assertion?

    You are making a claim but not supporting it. Should we take your word as gospel? Why?

    Since you popped in while I was typing this I am going to use the argument that liberals always use.

    Thats just a blog not a new article.
    I came back and posted the link, which is from the same newspaper as that earlier story.

    The question is why the media allows the mistranslation to rule perception?

    The question is why you didn't know different?

    As the article I posted the link too lays out, this mistranslation is still the perception of so many people. Why believe in a falsehood? And why is this allowed by the media? This should have been a correction, yet I only heard it accidently, and then found it out to be factual.

    If you can control the perception, you can control most everything. As the conspirators said back when they were planning their coup against FDR, the media will not be a problem at all. They were in at least some part controlling media even back then. Today it is probably much worse.

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    • #92
      Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

      Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
      You know I keep hearing that Iran doesn't need nuclear energy as they have oil. Of course they have no refineries, but yeah they have some oil. So why did we have nucler energy producing electricity even when we were an oil exporting nation and gas was 20 cents a gallon? LOL

      Personally I don't think nuclear produced electricity is safe, especially after what happened in Japan, but Iran has the right to have it as other nations do. So in order to fuel these reactors they need a higher grade material. But we don't want them to produce their own, but instead to buy it from someone else. It is cheaper over the long haul to refine your own to the grade needed, and why should they not be allowed to do that?

      The relationship with Iran is a relationship created by US interference in their nation. And karma is inevitable in this cause effect universe. And since we have to live in such a universe we should be very thoughtful before we assume superiority and think about interfering in another nation's business. America is much to blame, yet we are not supposed to recognize that? That all of the meddling we have done in other nations across the globe is perfectly fine? It isn't. Because it will only create future problems for the US. And we will have to reap what is sowed. But we don't want to do that! We want to sow and then get upset when we have to reap what we sowed. Because we think we are special and therefore not subject or should not be subject to the law of cause and effect. It's American arrogance, with a great dose of human ignorance to boot.
      Thats a good point, and if we had a sane nuclear power program of our own, we could make them a very simple offer. Switch to Thorium, or the bombing begins in five minutes.

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      • #93
        Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

        Originally posted by Commodore View Post
        Thats a good point, and if we had a sane nuclear power program of our own, we could make them a very simple offer. Switch to Thorium, or the bombing begins in five minutes.
        Hey after what happened in Japan, this source of electricity scares me for my grandkids. It's not like the harmful raidation goes away in short order. And it's not like we can actually make these reactors fail safe. Although safer reactors have been devised, but I have no illusions that even a safer reactor could not melt down given the right circumstances.

        I am not familier with thorium very much, but have heard about it of course. There has to be a safer way to generate electricity from energy utilized from atoms. Perhaps one day in the future(if we have a future) we will learn how to source the energy that lies in the vacuum between the nucleus of the atom and its electrons. I read that there is more energy in that vacuum than is contained in all of the stars extending for billions of light years in all directions from earth. That amount of potential energy is hard for me to comprehend, but quantum physicists say that it is indeed there. I have little doubt that humanity will eventually be able to tap into it given the exponential growth in science over the last hundred years.

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        • #94
          Re: Obama negotiates &amp;quot;peace in his time&amp;quot;...

          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
          Here I found it for you from the same source you linked to.

          http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...-the-map/?_r=0
          From your own link...

          Originally posted by Mr. Meridor
          Mr. Meridor also pointed out that Iran’s leaders have continued to deny Israel’s right to exist and used highly inflammatory terms to describe the state. After Ayatollah Khamenei compared Israel to a cancerous tumor in February — adding, it “should be cut off” — Mr. Meridor noted those remarks were echoed by the president just last month. “Israel is unnatural, it will not exist, it’s on the verge of collapse,” Mr. Meridor said. “When you hear this from these people, you need to take it seriously.”
          Nice try though.
          Last edited by Commodore; 11-26-2013, 09:31 AM.

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          • #95
            Re: Obama negotiates &amp;quot;peace in his time&amp;quot;...

            Originally posted by Commodore View Post
            We'll pay for it if Europe gets irradiated. The worldwide economic damage of such a major disruption to the EU would probably spark a new depression.

            I would love to Europe man up again and contribute significantly on the world stage, but they are further off the deep end economically than we are, and have that much further to go to get back on the right track. Wishing for it won't help.
            Dude whats the best way out of a recession? A foreign war. Let THEM handle it as THEY WILL be effected by an exchange in the mideast. In the mean time we can pull our shit out of the strike zone and return to being mostly self sufficient. Then our still put together assets can clean the fuck UP when Europe comes by a beggin. Cynical? yes. Workable? Yes if people stop being such pussies.

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            • #96
              Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

              Originally posted by jet57 View Post
              You're going to have to link the Czechs up. I know we got involved, but I've forgotten your reference.
              The deal chamberlin made which you mentioned in the post just above this one as being shit.
              The deal he made was to give up the czechs and more so hitler could have his "breathing room" and he would totally scouts honor promise not to blitzkreig anyone else. Which TOTALLY happened because after that the germans were always invited everywhere from 1939-1945. Punch was served!@#@#

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              • #97
                Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                Hey after what happened in Japan, this source of electricity scares me for my grandkids. It's not like the harmful raidation goes away in short order. And it's not like we can actually make these reactors fail safe. Although safer reactors have been devised, but I have no illusions that even a safer reactor could not melt down given the right circumstances.

                I am not familier with thorium very much, but have heard about it of course. There has to be a safer way to generate electricity from energy utilized from atoms. Perhaps one day in the future(if we have a future) we will learn how to source the energy that lies in the vacuum between the nucleus of the atom and its electrons. I read that there is more energy in that vacuum than is contained in all of the stars extending for billions of light years in all directions from earth. That amount of potential energy is hard for me to comprehend, but quantum physicists say that it is indeed there. I have little doubt that humanity will eventually be able to tap into it given the exponential growth in science over the last hundred years.
                First familiarize yourself with Fukushima. They used the wrong rods in the wrong reactor. on purpose. Then they didn't do their due dilligence maintenance. For YEARS. They shouldv'e used a thorium or pebble bed reactor. PERIOD. They should ALL be one of those. ALL OF THEM. WHY? because those are safe and produce little waste while maintaining cost and efficiency.

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                • #98
                  Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                  With everyone going to be buying hybrid cars, coming home at night after work and plugging them all in, well there's gonna have to be greater electrical generation capabilities to meet this additional and new demand.

                  Since coal will be nearly completely outlawed by the EPA, and since wind & solar can't generate anything meaningful in scope - especially when it doesn't blow or there is could cover, fracked CNG is only going to last so long and is questionable if the EcoMentalists doen't out law it, it'll have to be nuclear. I don't see another choice in the matter.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                    They also built the reactor in a location prone to earthquakes and hurricanes.

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                    • Re: Obama negotiates &amp;quot;peace in his time&amp;quot;...

                      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                      With everyone going to be buying hybrid cars, coming home at night after work and plugging them all in, well there's gonna have to be greater electrical generation capabilities to meet this additional and new demand.

                      Since coal will be nearly completely outlawed by the EPA, and since wind & solar can't generate anything meaningful in scope - especially when it doesn't blow or there is could cover, fracked CNG is only going to last so long and is questionable if the EcoMentalists doen't out law it, it'll have to be nuclear. I don't see another choice in the matter.
                      There is nothing unsafe about pebble bed reactors and they only produce self contained waste (the pebbles themsevles) rather than masses of strontium 90 etc

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                      Originally posted by Texan View Post
                      They also built the reactor in a location prone to earthquakes and hurricanes.
                      and they used mixed oxide fuel rods in a system not designed for mixed oxide fuel rods. and they didn't maintain it properly.
                      REALLLY poor ideas on all fronts. Like suicidally poor ideas.

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                      • Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                        You quoted Tsquare and directed your comments at him.



                        This was simply a personal insult.
                        Calling a Republican a Republican is an insult?

                        lol....if you insist.

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                        • Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                          Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                          You made the absurd insinuation that there is a moral difference in aiding Great Britain from her foes and aiding Israel from hers.

                          Both are a free people with major geographic shortcomings who have foes hell bent on dominating them, if not outright destroying them.

                          Both have foes who represent a major threat to region peace and global stability.

                          The tactical capabilities are different, but the strategic implications and moral imperative are the same.
                          Actually I said this is nowhere near a world war.

                          Maybe you need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

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                          • Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                            There you go, talking about moral imperatives. There is no such thing in the liberal world.
                            I wonder how many Christian conservatives in America, who blindly support Israel, ever realize that Jews don't believe in Jesus?

                            So how do we know they don't just view America as a bunch of useful idiots. Useful idiots they have managed to guilt into fighting their war for them?


                            That question may ruffle some feathers, but I think it's worth asking.

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                            • Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                              Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
                              I wonder how many Christian conservatives in America, who blindly support Israel, ever realize that Jews don't believe in Jesus?

                              So how do we know they don't just view America as a bunch of useful idiots. Useful idiots they have managed to guilt into fighting their war for them?


                              That question may ruffle some feathers, but I think it's worth asking.
                              Oh I dunno, when you have the same people who want to destroy Israel calling you the "great satan" who needs to be destroyed also, I would have to say that those people are USELESS idiots, and should be thankful a more forceful President isn't in office, from either side of the aisle I might add.

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                              • Re: Obama negotiates &quot;peace in his time&quot;...

                                Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                                You know I keep hearing that Iran doesn't need nuclear energy as they have oil. Of course they have no refineries, but yeah they have some oil. So why did we have nucler energy producing electricity even when we were an oil exporting nation and gas was 20 cents a gallon? LOL

                                Personally I don't think nuclear produced electricity is safe, especially after what happened in Japan, but Iran has the right to have it as other nations do. So in order to fuel these reactors they need a higher grade material. But we don't want them to produce their own, but instead to buy it from someone else. It is cheaper over the long haul to refine your own to the grade needed, and why should they not be allowed to do that?

                                The relationship with Iran is a relationship created by US interference in their nation. And karma is inevitable in this cause effect universe. And since we have to live in such a universe we should be very thoughtful before we assume superiority and think about interfering in another nation's business. America is much to blame, yet we are not supposed to recognize that? That all of the meddling we have done in other nations across the globe is perfectly fine? It isn't. Because it will only create future problems for the US. And we will have to reap what is sowed. But we don't want to do that! We want to sow and then get upset when we have to reap what we sowed. Because we think we are special and therefore not subject or should not be subject to the law of cause and effect. It's American arrogance, with a great dose of human ignorance to boot.
                                OK, lets get real honest about energy production vs arms, OK?

                                Are you saying that you can document and prove that Iran has investigated and pursued a non-weapons grade use of nuclear energy?

                                Because, as I understand this, Iran is allegedly pursuing the type of reactor which gave Pakistan the bomb, Canada's Candu.

                                What is at issue is not nuclear energy. It's the production of weapons grade stuff that destroys entire cities.

                                And no, if its about not having access to usable oil, they could have had seven or fifteen refineries built by now.

                                I truly wish, just once, an Obama defended would actually know something before they started trying to raise straw men, deflect and scatter goo.

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