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    So, while the world goes on around him, Obama plays golf. fearful of making any decisions, it seems the world is falling apart around him. Now, it seems that American reporter Foley could have been saved had Obama been able to make a decision.

    Hostage rescue raid came too late: The president waited nearly a month before giving the go-ahead for a daring bid to free western hostages including James Foley

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...cle1450512.ece

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    This is going to end up being a partisan perception issue if I had to guess.

    Depending upon source you like as of this week Obama has spent all or part of 138 days on vacation, even though no President is really ever on "vacation." At roughly the same number of days in office in his second term Bush 43 racked up 380 (ish) part or complete vacation days. Clinton at this point had some 180 and Reagan had north of 340.

    To be fair the comparison has some complications, they all faced different numbers and types of crisis over their respective terms but overall Obama's golf time has not been too bad all things considered. I cannot see all of the OP article but what I can see suggests vacations got in the way of critical operations. I find that dubious as again, no President is ever really on vacation.

    The left will probably go further to support Obama, the right will make this the issue. They both miss that whatever did not happen well in rescuing anyone probably had little to nothing to do with a tee time.

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      Delaying a response by 30 days while trying to make a decision all the while playing golf would not indicate a very responsible person to me.

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        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
        Delaying a response by 30 days while trying to make a decision all the while playing golf would not indicate a very responsible person to me.
        That is what I find suspect, your comment makes it sound like he delayed responding for 30 days and used those 30 days on the golf course. I doubt it really happened that way but partisan perception does not really care about that, it sounds too good to have a picture of Obama on the golf course suggesting *that* was the reason for the delay. That makes no sense, it is not even plausible that Obama spent 30 back to back days on the course ignoring military and intelligence requests for operations.

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          For me it's a case of Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

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            Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
            This is going to end up being a partisan perception issue if I had to guess.

            Depending upon source you like as of this week Obama has spent all or part of 138 days on vacation, even though no President is really ever on "vacation." At roughly the same number of days in office in his second term Bush 43 racked up 380 (ish) part or complete vacation days. Clinton at this point had some 180 and Reagan had north of 340.

            To be fair the comparison has some complications, they all faced different numbers and types of crisis over their respective terms but overall Obama's golf time has not been too bad all things considered. I cannot see all of the OP article but what I can see suggests vacations got in the way of critical operations. I find that dubious as again, no President is ever really on vacation.

            The left will probably go further to support Obama, the right will make this the issue. They both miss that whatever did not happen well in rescuing anyone probably had little to nothing to do with a tee time.
            I couldn't care less how many days the president golfs. But some people do, and its just a tribal thing really. And its not like any president ever really gets time off, but the cosmetics can somewhat make it appear like he's off. These guys are on 24/7, as that is the nature of the job, and what technology allows these days.

            The sad thing in this is, if a republican wins the oval office in 16, we will have to endure either 4 more years or 8 more years of this same stuff coming from the liberals. Reminds me of the Hatfields and McCoys, except instead of bullets flying, it's accusations and enough ad hominen attacks to fill a decent sized sea.

            I was watching the 5 on FOX the day Obama said a few words on the Foley killing, and the first thing out of one of the mouths of a FOX conservative was, "he's probably in a hurry to get back to his golf game". So, before a critique of his words were in order, an ad hominen attack first. Partisan politics is no different from the behavior coming from small kids on the school yards of America, and the same behavior that we used to try hard to teach the kids to not indulge in.

            And it doesn't look like we will grow up anytime soon. Just a new round of it coming if a repub takes the presidency next time around. Anyone else sick and tired of it, or is it just me? I guess it must be our education system? Well, since this was common in the corruptness that was ancient rome, I guess it just precedes the fall of an empire.

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              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
              I couldn't care less how many days the president golfs. But some people do, and its just a tribal thing really. And its not like any president ever really gets time off, but the cosmetics can somewhat make it appear like he's off. These guys are on 24/7, as that is the nature of the job, and what technology allows these days.

              The sad thing in this is, if a republican wins the oval office in 16, we will have to endure either 4 more years or 8 more years of this same stuff coming from the liberals. Reminds me of the Hatfields and McCoys, except instead of bullets flying, it's accusations and enough ad hominen attacks to fill a decent sized sea.

              I was watching the 5 on FOX the day Obama said a few words on the Foley killing, and the first thing out of one of the mouths of a FOX conservative was, "he's probably in a hurry to get back to his golf game". So, before a critique of his words were in order, an ad hominen attack first. Partisan politics is no different from the behavior coming from small kids on the school yards of America, and the same behavior that we used to try hard to teach the kids to not indulge in.

              And it doesn't look like we will grow up anytime soon. Just a new round of it coming if a repub takes the presidency next time around. Anyone else sick and tired of it, or is it just me? I guess it must be our education system? Well, since this was common in the corruptness that was ancient rome, I guess it just precedes the fall of an empire.
              So, it doesn't bother you that it took him 30 days to decide to try to rescue the Americans held in Syria? And by the time he decided, one of them was beheaded. After which he made a brief statement and headed to the golf course.

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                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                For me it's a case of Nero fiddling while Rome burns.
                Now that could be true. But it has nothing to do with vacation and everything to do with simply being a weak President.

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                  So Bush's Iraq adventure continues, who cares. Ordinary americans neither have to pay for that war, nor have to fight it. The first is covered by the printing press, the latter by the poor who do not have any other perspective.

                  If only we hadn't removed Saddam. Thanks, Obama

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                    Maureen Dowd, of all people agrees with OMD

                    FORE! Score? And seven trillion rounds ago, our forecaddies brought forth on this continent a new playground, conceived by Robert Trent Jones, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal when it comes to spending as much time on the links as possible — even when it seems totally inappropriate, like moments after making a solemn statement condemning the grisly murder of a 40-year-old American journalist beheaded by ISIL.

                    I know reporters didn’t get a chance to ask questions, but I had to bounce. I had a 1 p.m. tee time at Vineyard Golf Club with Alonzo Mourning and a part-owner of the Boston Celtics. Hillary and I agreed when we partied with Vernon Jordan up here, hanging out with celebrities and rich folks is fun.

                    Now we are engaged in a great civil divide in Ferguson, which does not even have a golf course, and that’s why I had a “logistical” issue with going there. We are testing whether that community, or any community so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure when the nation’s leader wants nothing more than to sink a birdie putt.

                    We are met on a great field of that battle, not Augusta, not Pebble Beach, not Bethpage Black, not Burning Tree, but Farm Neck Golf Club in Martha’s Vineyard, which we can’t get enough of — me, Alonzo, Ray Allen and Marvin Nicholson, my trip director and favorite golfing partner who has played 134 rounds and counting with me.
                    read it all... it's priceless

                    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/24/op...f-address.html

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                      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                      So, it doesn't bother you that it took him 30 days to decide to try to rescue the Americans held in Syria? And by the time he decided, one of them was beheaded. After which he made a brief statement and headed to the golf course.
                      Form the guy who supported the Iraq war and still thinks there is WMD there...

                      FAIL.....

                      OMD, you previous positions in middle east have been such a failure (with 3000 US soldiers & 100,000s of civilians dead, $1+ trillion in cost) that when you say we should do something, it has no credibility...

                      So Obama wanted to make sure that the operation would be a success... Well gues what he has a hell of a lot more information than you... He has also been right more times in the Middle East than you...

                      You are now just embarrassing yourself...


                      The only real question should be, how is Obama's handicap so high:
                      Don Van Natta Jr., an author of a book about presidential golf, told the Times that Obama “strives” to be an 18-handicap, which sounds like code for “but he’s really a 22.” Regardless, there are plenty of mediocre golfers who play fast and tons of great ones who play slowly. Golfing ability has no correlation to golfing speed.
                      Now Dan if you want to slag of the President, here is the closest thing you got to valid...

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                        Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
                        Form the guy who supported the Iraq war and still thinks there is WMD there...

                        FAIL.....

                        OMD, you previous positions in middle east have been such a failure (with 3000 US soldiers & 100,000s of civilians dead, $1+ trillion in cost) that when you say we should do something, it has no credibility...

                        So Obama wanted to make sure that the operation would be a success... Well gues what he has a hell of a lot more information than you... He has also been right more times in the Middle East than you...

                        You are now just embarrassing yourself...


                        The only real question should be, how is Obama's handicap so high:


                        Now Dan if you want to slag of the President, here is the closest thing you got to valid...
                        On the one hand liberals say that the government should spend money to stimulate the economy and then on the other hand, they carp at military spending which is government spending which stimulates the economy. As far as WMD's go, there was a long convoy of trucks going into Syria before the war and surprise, surprise, Syria used WMD's against the militants in their country. As far as failing to make a decision, from what I read, it was purely political. The military in charge of the operation were chomping at the bit but Obama was worried about failing and being likened to Carter.

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                          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                          On the one hand liberals say that the government should spend money to stimulate the economy and then on the other hand, they carp at military spending which is government spending which stimulates the economy. As far as WMD's go, there was a long convoy of trucks going into Syria before the war and surprise, surprise, Syria used WMD's against the militants in their country. As far as failing to make a decision, from what I read, it was purely political. The military in charge of the operation were chomping at the bit but Obama was worried about failing and being likened to Carter.
                          So you think Obama should just find a country to invade so he can stimulate the economy.. That explains a lot...

                          On the WMDs, keep it going it makes you you look better and better each day... You must have loved the soldiers getting killed... Keep it up, maybe a few more soliders killed and wounded by Christmas will keep you happy...

                          Where is the proof of 'The military in charge of the operation were chomping at the bit but Obama was worried....'


                          By the way this came up in the Pub in Ireland with one of my friends who is exIrish Army and does a lot of mercenary work... And the one thing he said... Are you bloody serious... "Some stupid reporter goes into a place which he must have known was very dangerious.. He made his choices, why would any government spend millions of dollars and risk dozens of lives trying to save him. F*ck him... Build a Hospital, save more lives..."

                          Dan, you accusations have no proof, quoting a article none of can read... And at the end of the day you want the government to spend millions of dollars of tax payers money saving someone who acted recklessly in full knowledge of what he was doing... But you have a problem with your tax payers money being loaned to a student to go through college...

                          Get your priorities right.

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