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  • GI response to stupidity of saying they make is fine and they don't need raises.

    Original Editorial that is being responded to below. Be aware this is NOT... NOT... NOT the actress but someone with the same name. Other places have falsely attributed the editorial to the Actress.

    Our GIs Earn Enough (washingtonpost.com)


    The reason this is relevant right now even though the editorial and response are old is that this Cindy Williams has been appointed to assist in the CBO and specifically for National Security issues.

    CINDY WILLIAMS was appointed by Obama as an Assistant Director for NATIONAL SECURITY in the Congressional Budget Office.....

    This is an Airman's response to Cindy Williams' editorial piece in the Washington Post about MILITARY PAY, it should be printed in all newspapers across America .

    Cindy William wrote a piece for the Washington Times denouncing the pay raise(s) coming service members' way this year citing that she stated a 13% wage increase was more than they deserve.

    A young airman from HillAFB responds to her article below. He ought to get a bonus for this.

    "Ms Williams:

    I just had the pleasure of reading your column, "Our GI's earn enough" and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this vaunted overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it disappears every month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting Service) and my bank account. Checking my latest earnings statement I see that I make $1,117.80 before taxes per month. After taxes, I take home $874.20. When I run that through the calculator, I come up with an annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40 after.

    I work in the Air Force Network Control Center where I am part of the team responsible for a 5,000 host computer network. I am involved with infrastructure segments, specifically with Cisco Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs for "Network Technicians" in the Washington , D.C. area reveals a position in my career field, requiring three years experience in my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60 a year. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum............ I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions.

    Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that you NEVER had the pleasure of serving your country in her armed forces.

    Before you take it upon yourself to once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership for attempting to get the families in the military's lowest pay brackets off of WIC and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying soldiers headed for AFGHANISTAN ; I leave the choice of service branch up to you. Whatever choice you make though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will guarantee you the longest possible time away from your family and friends, thus giving you full "deployment experience."

    As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note the spouses and children who are saying good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to note that several families are still unsure of how they'll be able to make ends meet while the primary breadwinner is gone. Obviously they've been squandering the "vast" piles of cash the government has been giving them.

    Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are perennial favorites.. And when you're actually over there, sitting in a foxhole, shivering against the cold desert night, and the flight sergeant tells you that there aren't enough people on shift to relieve you for chow, remember this: trade whatever MRE's (meal-ready-to-eat) you manage to get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add Tabasco to everything. This gives some flavor.

    Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't be nearly long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and be thankful for it. You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with most of the points you present in your open piece.

    But, tomorrow from KABUL , I will defend to the death your right to say it.

    You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your First Amendment right and every other right you cherish...On a daily basis, my brother and sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like you can thumb your collective noses at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful and under conditions that would make most people cringe. We hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector because we can't offer the stability and pay of civilian companies.

    And you, Ms.. Williams, have the gall to say that we make more than we deserve?”
    A1C Michael Bragg, Hill AFB AFNCC
    IF YOU AGREE, PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN FIGHTING MEN AND WOMEN.
    If you get this more than once, feel honored that you know more than one person
    who supports our military and appreciates what they do.

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    Re: GI response to stupidity of saying they make is fine and they don't need raises.

    And to think, all this coming from an airman who has little to no clue what its like in the real military.

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      Re: GI response to stupidity of saying they make is fine and they don't need raises.

      I've got to agree with Ms Williams on this one. Apparently the Airman forgot on how much he doesn't spend on the basic living expenses. Of course, his letter was apparently older than I expected. I made 900 something a month as an E-1. Now it's 1516.

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        Re: GI response to stupidity of saying they make is fine and they don't need raises.

        Originally posted by Porras View Post
        I've got to agree with Ms Williams on this one. Apparently the Airman forgot on how much he doesn't spend on the basic living expenses. Of course, his letter was apparently older than I expected. I made 900 something a month as an E-1. Now it's 1516.
        For an E-1 in the peacetime military, I'd almost be inclined to agree with you.

        But you're also looking at E-5s with over 6 years of service leading five or six man squads in combat and also being responsible for all of the professional development training and general mentorship of those lower-enlisted while in garrison.

        In the corporate world you'd be looking at a (damn near) six figure salary for that kind of job.

        The E-5 will earn a little over $30K with the added benefit of a private room in the barracks.

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          Re: GI response to stupidity of saying they make is fine and they don't need raises.

          When I was an E1 I made $49 base pay and $84 separate rations.

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            Re: GI response to stupidity of saying they make is fine and they don't need raises.

            Originally posted by Porras View Post
            I've got to agree with Ms Williams on this one. Apparently the Airman forgot on how much he doesn't spend on the basic living expenses. Of course, his letter was apparently older than I expected. I made 900 something a month as an E-1. Now it's 1516.
            Who does more for this country. Some congresscritter or an Airman?

            When I worked for the DoD I was a private contractor doing mainly what that Airman was doing around 2000-2002 and made almost 100K a year.

            Yeah you could add in 3 squares and a cot but he is still paid as are most military well below what the should be paid. When was the last time some congressman stood post at 3am in cold drizzly rain? Or any of the other responsibilities that Military of all types are required to do as part of their job.

            I think even if we paid a lowly E-1 50K a year plus their room and board that would be cheap for what they do.

            Congress needs a pay cut equal to their actual part time jobs they do.

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              Re: GI response to stupidity of saying they make is fine and they don't need raises.

              Originally posted by soot View Post
              For an E-1 in the peacetime military, I'd almost be inclined to agree with you.

              But you're also looking at E-5s with over 6 years of service leading five or six man squads in combat and also being responsible for all of the professional development training and general mentorship of those lower-enlisted while in garrison.

              In the corporate world you'd be looking at a (damn near) six figure salary for that kind of job.

              The E-5 will earn a little over $30K with the added benefit of a private room in the barracks.
              No, small team leaders responsible for developmental training and mentorship would not make a six figure salary in the civilian world. Those are called shift leaders and assistant managers in the food and service industry, and those jobs are worth $10 an hour up to maybe $40,000 salary with benefits, assuming they can assimilate back into a system where everyone has the option of the middle finger and walking off the job as opposed to the rather easy position of do what I say because I say so.

              The whole response is cute. But as has been pointed out, and will always be pointed out in these situations, base pay is a small slice of the pie. Full comprehensive medical/dental/vision, housing allowance, food allowance, clothing allowance, 30 days paid vacation, tax free expenditures on base, 100% education expenses while in, GI bill afterwards, enlistment and reenlistment cash bonuses... all of this and more in a career path that is 100% volunteer and a fully vested retirement at 20 years.

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                Re: GI response to stupidity of saying they make is fine and they don't need raises.

                Originally posted by ArmyFerret View Post
                The whole response is cute. But as has been pointed out, and will always be pointed out in these situations, base pay is a small slice of the pie. Full comprehensive medical/dental/vision, housing allowance, food allowance, clothing allowance, 30 days paid vacation, tax free expenditures on base, 100% education expenses while in, GI bill afterwards, enlistment and reenlistment cash bonuses... all of this and more in a career path that is 100% volunteer and a fully vested retirement at 20 years.
                In many ways, I agree. I remember back in the 1980's, once a year we got this breakdown of our pay that showed how much we would be making if all of our benefits were paid for by us. And the amount was really good, but I was also aware that this was mostly a tool for the Career Planners, to help convince us that re-enlistmanet was a good idea.

                And remember, these benefits come and go. When I came back in in 2007, I did not get the "GI Bill". This is because I still fell under the older VEAP program. I was one of many people that wrote to my Congressional Representatives (as well as Senator Leyman) to help force through the changes in Post-9/11, so I could even be eligable for it (under it's original language, I was not eligeable). It seems that when they wrote and passed that law, part of the requirement was that you be invested in Montgomery GI Bill. But like many like me, I did not have Montgomery but the older VEAP program.

                And yea, the "free tuition" is a nice idea, but I was never able to use it. Depending on your job, you may indeed be able to use the gree tuition while you are in. But if you are in one of those jobs that requires you to go into the field regularly or work long hours, that is pretty much impossible. I can't tell you how many people I know that had to pay back money because they had to drop out of a class because training requirements made them miss to much schooling to complete it.

                And as for the 20 years, if you can make it that long. I have now been caught in my second series of RIFs, and stand at 15 years of service. And I know a great many people that are simply unable to make the full 20. Depending on your job, the military can be damned hard on the body. I frequently joke "I spent 10 years in the grunts, and have the knees to prove it". Basically, my knees are shot. 48 years old, and I have osteoarthritis in both knees (and have had it for 10 years now). Add to that the tinnitus in both ears from the hundreds of thousands of small arms rounds and larger explosions I have been exposed to and it is no wonder that 20 is the minimum retirement time.

                If you have some clerical job at a post level, after 20 years you more then likely are in just as good a condition as when you came in 20 years earlier, minus the usual wear and tear. If you spend that 20 years in combat arms, your body has easily aged 40-50 years.

                And with administrations changing every 8-12 years, you may not even make that 20 and find yourself getting out with nothing towards retirement. Even Gunny Hathcock, celebrated Marine Sniper from Vietnam was forced to get out at 19 years and 10 months. And his lifespan was drastically cut short, dying at age 56.

                I am 48 years old, and still trying to reach my 20 years. 10 years active duty in the Marines, then cut in the Gulf War cuts. Then 5 more in the Army, RIFed again. Now trying to finish my last 4 in the Reserves, but worried because they are threatening to cut 200-300,000 reservists in the next 2 years. So I am worried I may find myself at 17 years and still with no retirement benefits.

                As for the original article, I take it with a grain of salt. It is after all over 12 years old, and has been circulating for a great many years now.

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