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  • Big Tech VS Elizabeth Warren

    Good ? Bad ?

    Agree ? Disagree ?

    Why ?

    Warren says;

    "Warren said in her post that the consumer experience of most internet users is dominated by Facebook, Google and Amazon, which can then "use the Internet to squash small businesses and innovation, and substitute their own financial interests for the broader interests of the American people."

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    Elizabeth Warren calls to break up Facebook, Google and Amazon

    Warren has been a part of a growing group of Democrats calling for greater regulation and antitrust enforcement of major tech companies.

    Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts on Friday called for the government to break up Facebook, Google and Amazon, offering a plan to re-categorize the companies and reverse some major tech acquisitions.

    Warren, who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020, has been a part of a growing faction within the party that has called for greater regulation and antitrust enforcement of major tech companies.

    "Twenty-five years ago, Facebook, Google, and Amazon didnt exist. Now they are among the most valuable and well-known companies in the world," Warren wrote in a post on the blogging platform Medium. "Its a great story  but also one that highlights why the government must break up monopolies and promote competitive markets."

    Warren's call also comes as Democrats have begun to plan for increased oversight of tech companies after taking control of the House. On Wednesday, House and Senate Democrats introduced legislation to establish strong net neutrality protections that would look to prevent major service providers from using their power to manipulate how users experience the internet.

    Few Democrats, however, have actively called to break up tech companies, as Warren did on Friday.

    Warren said in her post that the consumer experience of most internet users is dominated by Facebook, Google and Amazon, which can then "use the Internet to squash small businesses and innovation, and substitute their own financial interests for the broader interests of the American people."

    Warren's plan calls for legislation that would feature a new business category for companies with more than $25 billion of global revenue that also "offer to the public an online marketplace, an exchange, or a platform for connecting third parties." These companies would be called "platform utilities" and be prevented from owning the platform and any of its participants, as well as be required to "meet a standard of fair, reasonable, and nondiscriminatory dealing with users." They would also not be allowed to share data with other companies.

    Warren pointed to Amazon's operation of its marketplace and its sale of Amazon "Basics" as an example of a violation of the proposed legislation. She also said that Google's various businesses would need to be separated, including its ad exchange and its search engine.

    Warren also said that she would be looking to federal regulators to undo some recent mergers, including Amazon's ownership of the grocer Whole Foods and e-commerce website Zappos, Facebook's ownership of WhatsApp and Instagram, and Google's ownership of the navigation app Waze and home device company Nest.

    "Unwinding these mergers will promote healthy competition in the market   which will put pressure on big tech companies to be more responsive to user concerns, including about privacy," she wrote.

    Facebook and Amazon declined to comment on Warren's plan. Google did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

    Luther Lowe, senior vice president of government relations at Yelp, which has repeatedly claimed that Google uses its search engine to scuttle competitors, said Warren's plan was "refreshing and ambitious."

    "I think Senator Warren really understands how these markets work, and I think this type of proposal would inject some much needed oxygen into the consumer internet markets, which today are calcifying as a result of dominant firms like Google stifling innovation," Lowe said.

    Warren is not entirely alone in proposing serious changes to how tech companies are regulated. Rep. David Cicilline, D-R.I., who heads the House antitrust subcommittee, recently suggested in an interview with the Financial Times a similar idea in which tech companies would be forced to split up their platform from their customer data business.

    Dipayan Ghosh, a fellow at Harvard University's Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy, said that while Warren's proposal is in the "right direction," Cicilline's plan targets the heart of the power of big tech companies to use consumer data in conjunction with their platforms to control their markets.

    "The reason I like Cicilline's argument is that one really does get to the meat of the way that these companies have been constructed," he said.

    Ghosh, who previously worked at Facebook as a privacy and public policy adviser, said big tech companies have already been preparing for regulation efforts. He pointed to Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg's announcement on Wednesday that the company would be moving to make it so users can communicate across its various apps.

    Ghosh said these kinds of efforts will make it hard to break up tech companies. He predicted that this is the start of a cat-and-mouse game between tech companies and regulators that will go on for years.

    "I think what these companies are trying to do. especially Facebook, is figure out ways to really unsettle the competition policy arguments that are taking shape by doing strategic things with their companies," Ghosh said.



    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...amazon-n980911


  • #2
    Well, here's my take on this.

    Facebook, Google, Twitter Instagram need to decide whether they are publishers, in which they have editorial control as well as those liabilities, such as copyrighted materials being shared on their systems, or platforms, where they don't have editorial control over what's posted and aren't liable for things such as copyrighted materials. In addition, there have been far to many instances where posters or search results with whom they politically disagree are being censored or biased against, which isn't a role a platform can or should take on.


    Amazon, the shopper knows, or should have the ability to know, what personal data they are collecting, and should have control over what they can and cannot collect on a per shopper basis. For the fools who import Amazon surveillance in the for of Echo or Alexa, well, they are volunteering for that level of surveillance for the convenience of speaking to the device and getting stuff, aren't they? Buyer beware.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
      Well, here's my take on this.

      Facebook, Google, Twitter Instagram need to decide whether they are publishers, in which they have editorial control as well as those liabilities, such as copyrighted materials being shared on their systems, or platforms, where they don't have editorial control over what's posted and aren't liable for things such as copyrighted materials. In addition, there have been far to many instances where posters or search results with whom they politically disagree are being censored or biased against, which isn't a role a platform can or should take on.


      Amazon, the shopper knows, or should have the ability to know, what personal data they are collecting, and should have control over what they can and cannot collect on a per shopper basis. For the fools who import Amazon surveillance in the for of Echo or Alexa, well, they are volunteering for that level of surveillance for the convenience of speaking to the device and getting stuff, aren't they? Buyer beware.
      Good points.

      While I don't care for these businesses getting too large & powerful and mismanaging consumer data, do I think the MOB in D.C. needs to get involved ?

      Seems to me like asking for more trouble..

      MS-13 let me introduce you to the CRIPS, the Bloods and the great Hells Angels, you're going to now work together to make your businesses even better and.....

      ......protect consumers from ... ummm... well, you know
      ; )

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

        Good points.

        While I don't care for these businesses getting too large & powerful and mismanaging consumer data, do I think the MOB in D.C. needs to get involved ?

        Seems to me like asking for more trouble..

        MS-13 let me introduce you to the CRIPS, the Bloods and the great Hells Angels, you're going to now work together to make your businesses even better and.....

        ......protect consumers from ... ummm... well, you know
        ; )
        Yeah, exactly my thoughts as well. While I don't think that these large tech companies should be behaving as they do, I certainly am hesitant at involving the federal government in any of them.

        What I think the congress needs to do is to enact personal data protection legislation based on and modeled on the ones in the EU and particularly Germany and stringently enforce them. Many of the abuses and bad practices from these tech giants would be greatly alleviated by doing so.

        That would then only leave the publishing vs platform question, which would require the altering and / or enforcing of the FCC regulations surrounding such for these social media platforms.

        Do you ever wonder why the Internet carriers are never charged in any child porn cases? In more cases than not, the child porn is sent / received over the Internet, yet the carrier is blameless. Yeah, that's a platform, as the carrier is a platform for the Internet, and not held responsible for the content people send on that platform. it is appropriate, as the platform is open to all to use, for reasonable access fees (your local ISP charges).

        Social media companies want to be platforms, and held as blameless the carriers. Except they also want to be censors of the content they don't like and don't agree with (read conservative voices, opinions and thought). These they take down, temporarily or permanently ban the posters ('de-platform' is the euphemism I take it), or 'de-monetize' (unable to collect fees from users).

        It's merely an example of how much the left is dedicated to free speech, which is not at all, and only for the speech they agree with. Quite hypocritical (and typical) of them.

        The social media platforms need to decide whether they are a platform or a publisher. Can't continue in the present manner. Its untenable.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
          Yeah, exactly my thoughts as well. While I don't think that these large tech companies should be behaving as they do, I certainly am hesitant at involving the federal government in any of them.

          What I think the congress needs to do is to enact personal data protection legislation based on and modeled on the ones in the EU and particularly Germany and stringently enforce them. Many of the abuses and bad practices from these tech giants would be greatly alleviated by doing so.

          That would then only leave the publishing vs platform question, which would require the altering and / or enforcing of the FCC regulations surrounding such for these social media platforms.
          That sounds good.

          BUT, getting these incompetent people in "Congress" to do more than putting on a suit and a "show" for the people, seems highly unlikely.

          They haven't even been able to create a sensible immigration policy and/or border enforcement ... for many many decades LOL

          The rest of the world laughs at how dumb America is over this issue ! This isn't rocket science or particle physics LOL Now we have a president who wants to do the sensible thing and .... we're tearing each other, hating each other about it ! So the invasion continues, and, as they say ; "This isn't sustainable."

          America has far bigger problems than technology giants.

          But yes, it would be good to have more protections in place for consumers.

          But

          At some point, the consumer IS responsible.

          UNLESS those consumers - the people of America - really want a Godlike, or parent like government protecting them from all the "unfair" and "cruel" practices known throughout the world as long as humankind has existed.

          Consumers have always had to protect their valuables, technology has given us a lot of conveniences, it's also given thieves and dishonest people a lot of conveniences. Nothing new, just a different avenue....

          Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
          Do you ever wonder why the Internet carriers are never charged in any child porn cases? In more cases than not, the child porn is sent / received over the Internet, yet the carrier is blameless. Yeah, that's a platform, as the carrier is a platform for the Internet, and not held responsible for the content people send on that platform. it is appropriate, as the platform is open to all to use, for reasonable access fees (your local ISP charges).
          It might be like charging the car manufacturer for an accident, or a boat manufacturer for the illegal importation of cocaine, or a gun maker for murders that might occur with a gun.

          Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
          Social media companies want to be platforms, and held as blameless the carriers. Except they also want to be censors of the content they don't like and don't agree with (read conservative voices, opinions and thought). These they take down, temporarily or permanently ban the posters ('de-platform' is the euphemism I take it), or 'de-monetize' (unable to collect fees from users).

          It's merely an example of how much the left is dedicated to free speech, which is not at all, and only for the speech they agree with. Quite hypocritical (and typical) of them.

          The social media platforms need to decide whether they are a platform or a publisher. Can't continue in the present manner. Its untenable
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          The left does not want free speech !!!

          They absolutely DO NOT !

          They cannot allow it !

          So they've become the tyrants they rant and rave about !!!!

          They've become the tyrants
          they say they hate !!!


          Allowing free speech and truth to be spoken, destroys every immature argument and rationale they have for almost everything they argue in favor of !

          So they make fools of themselves supporting all things that cannot be maintained in peace together.

          The saddest thing, is the number of people that might just buy into their stupidity.

          We need to pray for this country, only God can save it.

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