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  • Gov't spending needed on this, badly.

    Seems we are behind in quantum communication, which is perhaps the future. Here's a quote from Wired.com.


    "There is an international quantum teleportation space race heating up. Around the world, countries are investing time and millions of dollars into the technology, which uses satellites to beam bits of quantum information down from the sky and and could profoundly change worldwide communication.

    This is not a maybe-sort-of-one-day quantum technology. Quantum teleportation has been proven experimentally many times over and researchers are now eyeing the heavens as their next big leap forward. Most of what remains are the nuts and bolts engineering challenges (and some more money) before it becomes a thing of the present.

    Though it may be disappointing to hear, quantum teleportation is not about instantly sending a person or object between two places this is no Beam me up, Scotty, or Bampf! Instead, the technique involves the perhaps even freakier task of separating a subatomic particle from its quantum state.

    Once you disembody the state of one of particle, you can then recreate the particle in remote copy, said physicist and computer scientist Charles Bennett of IBM, who co-authored the first paper on quantum teleportation in 1993.

    Though the teams paper was purely theoretical at the time, scientists since then have done many experiments teleporting particles over longer and longer distances. In the past year, a team from China and another in Austria set new records for quantum teleportation, using a laser to beam photons through the open air over 60 and 89 miles, respectively. This is many times farther than the previous record of 10 miles, set in 2010 by the same Chinese team. With scientists extending quantum teleportation to such distances, many are already considering the next step: zapping particles and information from an orbiting satellite to a relay station on Earth.

    If developed, quantum teleportation satellites could allow spies to pass large amounts of information back and forth or create unhackable codes. Should we ever build quantum computers which would be smaller and exponentially more powerful than modern computers, able to model complex phenomenon, rapidly crunch numbers, and render modern encryption keys useless they would need quantum teleporters in order to be networked together in a quantum version of the internet.

    China plans to launch a satellite with a quantum teleportation experiment payload in 2016 and the European, Japanese, and Canadian space agencies are hoping to fund their own quantum teleportation satellite projects in the coming years. Conspicuously, the U.S. is far behind the pack because of a bureaucratic reshuffling that left quantum communication research experiments without government support in 2008. Whoever loses this new competition could fail to capitalize on the promise of quantum communication altogether."


    Boys, the private sector here is not sufficient if we are to stay on pace with others.

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    Re: Gov't spending needed on this, badly.

    Well, our current administration has outsourced a lot of our space program. Even if we built a quantum teleportation satellite tomorrow, we have no way of orbiting it, as we have no heavy lift program anymore.

    It seems that if you want this sort of spending, you need to vote Obama out of office next month.

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      Re: Gov't spending needed on this, badly.

      Who says we don't already have these orbiting the planet as we speak?

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        Re: Gov't spending needed on this, badly.

        Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
        Well, our current administration has outsourced a lot of our space program. Even if we built a quantum teleportation satellite tomorrow, we have no way of orbiting it, as we have no heavy lift program anymore.

        It seems that if you want this sort of spending, you need to vote Obama out of office next month.
        Damn, I don't know enough about this to disagree with ya Matt. I do know that the space program isn't perhaps a fav area of spending for pres obama, or that seems to be the case.

        But this quantum communication should be a high priority for gov't spending on research since the private sector isn't doing it while china is indeed putting the money we send them into this new technology. America used to be the nation that was investing into something as important as this, and it really is important.

        To me this is another sign of the bad effects of allowing our half of our industry to move to exploit poor communists, because by doing so we have dropped the demand for certain fields of engineering that manufacturing has to have. I recall when I was in college at a university that had a large engineering school, even aeronautical, as well as a great chemistry program. I was talking to another alumni at a recent football game who still has close ties with this university and he told me that most of the engineering students and chemistry students were all foreigners! When I was at that university in the early 70s, most of these students were americans with only a few foreign students. He then said that america no longer has such a demand for these fields with globalization. And this is BAD for america, who used to be a leader in all things, or at least up there towards the top. We are in decline in so many ways! It's insanity folks, pure, utter insanity, driven by the lust for great profits of MNCs. It's destroying the america I grew up in.

        I wonder about quantum computing? Are we also not involved in that? That too, if they pull it off will change the world even more, and the nation that develops it, along with quantum communication will rule. And today unless something changes, that will not be america but china.

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          Re: Gov't spending needed on this, badly.

          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
          Who says we don't already have these orbiting the planet as we speak?
          Read up on it oldman. We are in, or THEY are in the very important early stages, on the cusp of breakthroughs. As we sit on our hands and allow china to go into it full bore. So make sure you send em more of you money to help em out! Republicans used to hate communists, now they enrich them at every chance they get. You guys ain't real republicans, and I don't know what in the hell you are beside treasonous. Your hatred of the american worker, his pay, make you embrace and greatly aid an enemy, who just this week attacked the computers of the White House, in their cyber warfare. Help em out oldman, go and shop at walmart. They need more of your bucks to push their commie agendas which is to surpass the free nation of america. If not for your money and others, they would still be living in farming villages, instead of being forced into cities to work in sweatshops so you and others can get cheaper widgets. To save a buck you sell out your country, in more ways than one. Boy, you guys sure showed the american worker! And feel real good putting them in their rightful place.

          Back to topic. As you can see private enterprise is not gonna invest the money in this new field, and it is a very important field that will play a big role in the future. It is cases like these in which gov't spending of tax money is money very well spent. I don't think the repubs have room for it, do you? Don't they believe in leaving things of this nature up to private enterprise? If we do that, china will already have it and we will spend years trying to catch up.

          And we don't have it now oldman. The world of quantum mechanics is a very small world, and if we were involved you could not keep that secret. We are not investing tax money in it. And the private sector is too busy investing in china. Where the bang for the buck return is greater.

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            Re: Gov't spending needed on this, badly.

            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
            Read up on it oldman. We are in, or THEY are in the very important early stages, on the cusp of breakthroughs. As we sit on our hands and allow china to go into it full bore. So make sure you send em more of you money to help em out! Republicans used to hate communists, now they enrich them at every chance they get. You guys ain't real republicans, and I don't know what in the hell you are beside treasonous. Your hatred of the american worker, his pay, make you embrace and greatly aid an enemy, who just this week attacked the computers of the White House, in their cyber warfare. Help em out oldman, go and shop at walmart. They need more of your bucks to push their commie agendas which is to surpass the free nation of america. If not for your money and others, they would still be living in farming villages, instead of being forced into cities to work in sweatshops so you and others can get cheaper widgets. To save a buck you sell out your country, in more ways than one. Boy, you guys sure showed the american worker! And feel real good putting them in their rightful place.

            Back to topic. As you can see private enterprise is not gonna invest the money in this new field, and it is a very important field that will play a big role in the future. It is cases like these in which gov't spending of tax money is money very well spent. I don't think the repubs have room for it, do you? Don't they believe in leaving things of this nature up to private enterprise? If we do that, china will already have it and we will spend years trying to catch up.

            And we don't have it now oldman. The world of quantum mechanics is a very small world, and if we were involved you could not keep that secret. We are not investing tax money in it. And the private sector is too busy investing in china. Where the bang for the buck return is greater.
            I was working on a stability augmentation system on the SR71 and no one in the world knew it existed.

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              Re: Gov't spending needed on this, badly.

              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
              I was working on a stability augmentation system on the SR71 and no one in the world knew it existed.
              This may not be the same oldman. But for america, I HOPE you are right! Might be on our black research budget. Yet it seems the leading physicists are not working with us. I think in that small world, its not easy to keep secrets, and this is not secret with other nations in their experiments and research. They are open about it, as its not in the same class and the manhattan project.

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