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  • Unrestricted cell phones are doing more harm than good!

    Cell phone's are no doubt useful in emergency and are mostly being used as an asset for those adults that did not grow up in the cell phone age. Other than that the harm it has created is greater than the benefit.
    The Children and young adults of today that will one day, along with their children, be the only people in this country.

    Our children do not know what it is like to form long lasting personal relationships with people. When they are present in the flesh, they are most often not present in mind. A society of socially dysfunctional people is what we've created.

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    Re: Unrestricted cell phones are doing more harm than good!

    Originally posted by msc View Post
    Cell phone's are no doubt useful in emergency and are mostly being used as an asset for those adults that did not grow up in the cell phone age. Other than that the harm it has created is greater than the benefit.
    The Children and young adults of today that will one day, along with their children, be the only people in this country.

    Our children do not know what it is like to form long lasting personal relationships with people. When they are present in the flesh, they are most often not present in mind. A society of socially dysfunctional people is what we've created.
    I agree, when I was in School, you had the pay phone in the lobby and the office had phones. Why does a kid need a cell phone? To even suggest to some people that they should hang up and pay attention to their driving for example, you would think you just told them they were losing their homes.

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      Re: Unrestricted cell phones are doing more harm than good!

      Originally posted by msc View Post
      Cell phone's are no doubt useful in emergency and are mostly being used as an asset for those adults that did not grow up in the cell phone age. Other than that the harm it has created is greater than the benefit.
      The Children and young adults of today that will one day, along with their children, be the only people in this country.

      Our children do not know what it is like to form long lasting personal relationships with people. When they are present in the flesh, they are most often not present in mind. A society of socially dysfunctional people is what we've created.
      Would you say that modern tech has had a dehumanizing effect upon society? If so, it is logical that given we evolved as social animals, that such a trend would be destructive of human relationships. And anything that destroys human relationship is harmful to a species that evolved in relationship.

      There seems to always be an upside as well as a downside to some technology. And we seem to lack the intelligence to control this. For me, I think the brains, intelligence of humanity evolves, and the solution lies in that evolution. So, I do have some optimism when it comes to our species. I am placing some trust in evolution. But an evolution that does have a purpose, instead of being purposeless.

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        Re: Unrestricted cell phones are doing more harm than good!

        Well you have more optimism than I do. Though we have advanced in technology, We are going in the opposite direction socially. Technology definitely makes life easier, but with some technology, or unrestricted implementation of, not better. In the end we all want to be happy. Are we a happier society now? Before cell phones, we spent time with the people we were with. We chose who we were with. Now, many, I find most bring multiple other people to our interaction leaving less time for each to get to know each other. Before, as a child our friends learned respect. They had to have interaction with our parents when calling us, because there was one line in the house and more often than not a parent would answer. And no phone calls allowed after a certain time. Now children bypass the parent test. Before, while growing up we had time alone, to think, dream, create activities for ourselves. Now, children call or text a friend whenever bored. We had more time to be influence by our parents. Now, with unlimited access to outside influence. Before, it took time to get close to a love interest because we saw them at school and knew we had to wait a whole day to see them again, and an entire week before we could hang out with them in a social situation. We experienced (anticipation, excitement, dreaming, wanting, hoping, missing). We spoke to each other a few minutes here, a half hour there. Other people around during much of the weekend face to face time. Things went much slower allowing those good experiences to happen. Now, two kids like each other and they spend more time speaking in one week, where it would have taken months in the past. Now, eliminating all other people from there relationship, only influenced by each other. No guidance from anyone. Not a healthy situation for a learning,growing child to be in. This is molding them as adults. And with all the politics and issues being addressed today. I do not see anyone trying resolve this issue or acknowledging how important this issue is.
        Last edited by msc; 07-12-2014, 09:01 AM.

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          Re: Unrestricted cell phones are doing more harm than good!

          Originally posted by msc View Post
          Well you have more optimism than I do. Though we have advanced in technology, We are going in the opposite direction socially.
          People said the very same thing about both the railroads and the automobile.

          Time passes... things change.

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            Re: Unrestricted cell phones are doing more harm than good!

            Originally posted by tsquare View Post
            People said the very same thing about both the railroads and the automobile.

            Time passes... things change.
            That is the optimistic view, the other view would be a cultured state such as Germany changed into a Nazi state. So change is not always good or beneficial. And when it comes to change, we have to get there before anyone pays attention to what the change yielded. In many cases, it is too late to go backward, for going backward is regress, not progress, and we all know that progress is always good.

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              Re: Unrestricted cell phones are doing more harm than good!

              Originally posted by msc View Post
              Well you have more optimism than I do. Though we have advanced in technology, We are going in the opposite direction socially. Technology definitely makes life easier, but with some technology, or unrestricted implementation of, not better. In the end we all want to be happy. Are we a happier society now? Before cell phones, we spent time with the people we were with. We chose who we were with. Now, many, I find most bring multiple other people to our interaction leaving less time for each to get to know each other. Before, as a child our friends learned respect. They had to have interaction with our parents when calling us, because there was one line in the house and more often than not a parent would answer. And no phone calls allowed after a certain time. Now children bypass the parent test. Before, while growing up we had time alone, to think, dream, create activities for ourselves. Now, children call or text a friend whenever bored. We had more time to be influence by our parents. Now, with unlimited access to outside influence. Before, it took time to get close to a love interest because we saw them at school and knew we had to wait a whole day to see them again, and an entire week before we could hang out with them in a social situation. We experienced (anticipation, excitement, dreaming, wanting, hoping, missing). We spoke to each other a few minutes here, a half hour there. Other people around during much of the weekend face to face time. Things went much slower allowing those good experiences to happen. Now, two kids like each other and they spend more time speaking in one week, where it would have taken months in the past. Now, eliminating all other people from there relationship, only influenced by each other. No guidance from anyone. Not a healthy situation for a learning,growing child to be in. This is molding them as adults. And with all the politics and issues being addressed today. I do not see anyone trying resolve this issue or acknowledging how important this issue is.
              But what is the solution? As I mentioned to T, we have been conditioned to think regress is horrible and only progress is good. So, the things that break down the prior social order is seen by the world as progress. And since that is the fact, we will continue to move in the direction which we perceive as progress.

              I still remain somewhat optimistic that our intelligence will evolve out of chaotic thinking, and if not, who knows where we as a species will end up? We very well could be analogous to a cancer that destroys is host. Only time will tell.

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                Re: Unrestricted cell phones are doing more harm than good!

                Yep Blue Doggy. Can't argue with that. Adding that progress also means initializing a plan to counteract the bad effects. Don't know what the resolution is. Have come up with idea's, but always found a fault in them at the end. Hoping someone of the many, with higher intelligence than myself will come up with something.

                Example:
                Heart attack - Death - Progress - Heart medication - Bad effect from meds. - Damaging another body part - Progress - New med to counteract original med. - Bad effect from that med. - Progress - Another new med to counteract that one. And so on. Progress? Yes. My Dad gained 7 more priceless years to meet his last three Grandchildren and had so much more time for his children, grandchildren, friends, and all who loved him to have so many more precious memories and learn so much from him.

                No comparison in my heart, but used as one for this purpose. With cell phone's we made progress that has assisted us in life saving situations, but the second step towards progress has yet to be taken by creating a medication to counteract the bad effects. Merely gaining a little extra time for a longer, drawn out, and more painful death. Death to social function. Decreasing opportunity to fulfill our need for human companionship. IMO without that, technology has no purpose. It should assist primary needs, not annihilate them.

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                  Re: Unrestricted cell phones are doing more harm than good!

                  People on cell phones aren't talking to robots they are talking to other people. What's happened is cell phones got big after a generation of rudeness was the norm so cell phone ettiquette (or absolute lack of ettiquette) is tied up with that rudeness.

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                    Re: Unrestricted cell phones are doing more harm than good!

                    Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                    People on cell phones aren't talking to robots they are talking to other people. What's happened is cell phones got big after a generation of rudeness was the norm so cell phone ettiquette (or absolute lack of ettiquette) is tied up with that rudeness.
                    Yes, no doubt that society is much courser today than when I was growing up. We didn't know what road rage was back then, as an example. People may have felt some rage, but they were conditioned to not turn it into a public spectacle. Yet I think people just feel more rage today in regards to other drivers. I think as a society we are just a bit more ill tempered. I know overall we are more selfish, in the area in which I live.

                    I can recall a time when you didn't see kids picking on other kids at school because they didn't have the popular status symbols on their clothing. In my 12 years of public school, I never saw one incidence of that nature. Whereas when my own kids were in school, it was fairly common. So something changed.

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                      Re: Unrestricted cell phones are doing more harm than good!

                      Originally posted by msc View Post
                      Cell phone's are no doubt useful in emergency and are mostly being used as an asset for those adults that did not grow up in the cell phone age. Other than that the harm it has created is greater than the benefit.
                      The Children and young adults of today that will one day, along with their children, be the only people in this country.

                      Our children do not know what it is like to form long lasting personal relationships with people. When they are present in the flesh, they are most often not present in mind. A society of socially dysfunctional people is what we've created.
                      So... with this issue, your proposal is?

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                        Re: Unrestricted cell phones are doing more harm than good!

                        My (newly minted) 13 year old has a cell phone: He has been asking for one since he was 10 and the "rule" became he can have one when he turns 13 if he shows us he can own one responsibly; which meaning varies with the situation and I want him to determine how it applies in each situation as part of his maturing into a proper decision maker.

                        when he first got it, "responsibly" meant "no using it for any reason at school: No texting, no internet, no phone calls, no selfies ... no nothing." At first he bristled at that rule "then what's the point of even having it?" To which my response was "exactly! Your sister had to wait until she was 15 so if you see no point in having one, I will return it to Sprint this afternoon."

                        Sometimes, I find him Face-timing with his friends, which is O.K. (at least it is quase-Face to Face), but his friends are into these text-rages (my term) where they spend hours in group-texting. I have asked him to not participate because, as the OP inferred, my son has to develop socially as well as technologically. While I'm not about to issue a blanket indictment against an entire technology driven generation, I do see some dangers and I am doing my best to build awareness of those d angers into my children.

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                          Re: Unrestricted cell phones are doing more harm than good!

                          I am not against technology by any means. And honestly I don't know what the resolution could be. It's just that I have three children of my own and I tried to hold fast to my anti-cell phone standard. My kid's didn't get them until they were into JH school. When my youngest was in 6th grade, a cell phone went off in class. The teacher told the children to check their backpacks to make sure it wasn't an emergency. This was a while ago. My child told me the story and said to me. "Can you guess who was the only one still sitting in there chair?' Well clearly it was her, as she was pointing out that she was the only one without. When they first received them I blocked texting. I found it harder and harder to hold out as there were no other children without and this was there new method of making plans. Through text and group messages. Of course when they are with me, no cell phones are allowed at dinner or while I am driving them in the car. I'm not the chauffeur. I also agree that it is a wonderful technology, but without any restriction, they have become quite destructive. Thought maybe there should be children's cell phone's. Programmed with only 5 numbers, Mom, Dad, and 3 other people the parents find necessary. If a child was caught with an adult cell phone, there would be a penalty to the parents and or child. But I found many faults with that idea. Can't come up with a plausible solution. I feel bad for my children. I think they would have enjoyed there social interaction so much more had they, and their peers not had cell phones. I feel like they've missed out on a lot. Adults are rude with cell phones as well, but that's on them. My concern is more for the generation we are grooming.

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                            Re: Unrestricted cell phones are doing more harm than good!

                            Originally posted by msc View Post
                            I am not against technology by any means. And honestly I don't know what the resolution could be. It's just that I have three children of my own and I tried to hold fast to my anti-cell phone standard. My kid's didn't get them until they were into JH school. When my youngest was in 6th grade, a cell phone went off in class. The teacher told the children to check their backpacks to make sure it wasn't an emergency. This was a while ago. My child told me the story and said to me. "Can you guess who was the only one still sitting in there chair?' Well clearly it was her, as she was pointing out that she was the only one without. When they first received them I blocked texting. I found it harder and harder to hold out as there were no other children without and this was there new method of making plans. Through text and group messages. Of course when they are with me, no cell phones are allowed at dinner or while I am driving them in the car. I'm not the chauffeur. I also agree that it is a wonderful technology, but without any restriction, they have become quite destructive. Thought maybe there should be children's cell phone's. Programmed with only 5 numbers, Mom, Dad, and 3 other people the parents find necessary. If a child was caught with an adult cell phone, there would be a penalty to the parents and or child. But I found many faults with that idea. Can't come up with a plausible solution. I feel bad for my children. I think they would have enjoyed there social interaction so much more had they, and their peers not had cell phones. I feel like they've missed out on a lot. Adults are rude with cell phones as well, but that's on them. My concern is more for the generation we are grooming.
                            So, can a fast developing tech weaken the social fabric that has served humanity for 50,000 years? Sure, it is possible.

                            Humans are like a herd of blind herd animals, that can't see but hold onto the other tails in order to navigate and follow where the blind leader is taking them. The destination might not be at all healthy for that herd.

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                              Re: Unrestricted cell phones are doing more harm than good!

                              I read an interesting story where a restaraunt was trying to figure out why so many customers were complaining about the speed of service and they couldn't figure out where the time was being spent until they realiized they had video survailance of current business hours and business 10 years ago. 10 years ago the average person was in and out in 1hr and 5 minutes, These days it's 1 hour and 55 minutes and cell phone use by customers is the difference between now and just 10 years ago. Customers spend longer before ordering because they are checking smartphones, they spend longer eating because they are using smartphones, and they take longer paying the bills because of cell phones. One big surprise to the restaraunt owners was how many refires or warm_ups had nothing at all to do with the restaraunt practices but with many customers ignoring their foor for up to 20 minutes because of cell phone use by customers.

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