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Surprise: St. Louis Rams Who do not Understand the Grand Jury Process...

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  • Surprise: St. Louis Rams Who do not Understand the Grand Jury Process...

    What a freaking travesty! Five Rams players, prior to yesterday's game, entered the field with their hands up (the "hands up/don't shoot" gesture used by the Ferguson rioters and protestors) to show their support of the Ferguson riots, following the grand jury decision.


    The police in St. Louis have expressed disappointment and have asked for the players to be disciplined.

    So what do these faux celebrities have to protest? OTHER than they (also) do not understand the Grand Jury process? Multi-million sides of beef taking one too many hits to the head allegedly supporting neighborhoods in which they would not be caught dead?

    Stick to entertaining us, what say! You make yourself look ridiculous this way.

  • #2
    Not a surprise, they have been hit in the head too many times to have any sense at all. Wonder if they will come on the field next week with hammers to honor the four black thugs who killed a white tourist in St. Louis yesterday?

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    • #3
      But, then, what can we expect from the under-educated when we have neanderthals like Louis Farrakhan proclaiming he and the Ferguson rioters will tear this country up if they don't get what they want.


      Dork like Farrakhan doesn't even remember the name of the city:


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      • #4
        What are you talking about? Most of these players have college degrees

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        • #5
          Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
          What are you talking about? Most of these players have college degrees
          They might have degrees, but did they ever go to class?

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          • #6
            As much as this doesn't fall under freedom of speech, union contracts and media clauses and whatnot, why is there a demand for punishment for an act of expression? Tasteless or offensive? Perspective. Inflammatory? Seemed pretty peaceful, and I don't think I'm ready to charge those players with inciting violence that's already happened.

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            • #7
              What is more unsportsmanlike like, perpetuating a lie about manner in which Micheal Brown died, slandering Officer Wilson in the process, or praying?

              Husain Abdullah should not have received a 15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty after dropping to his knees and bowing in prayer following a 39-yard interception return for a touchdown during the Kansas City Chiefs' 41-14 victory over the New England Patriots on Monday night, the NFL said Tuesday.

              According to Rule 12, Section 3, Article 1 (d), "Players are prohibited from engaging in any celebrations or demonstrations while on the ground."
              Looks like a 75 yard penalty against the Rams right after kickoff to me.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ArmyFerret View Post
                As much as this doesn't fall under freedom of speech, union contracts and media clauses and whatnot, why is there a demand for punishment for an act of expression? Tasteless or offensive? Perspective. Inflammatory? Seemed pretty peaceful, and I don't think I'm ready to charge those players with inciting violence that's already happened.
                Thought the same thing. I myself think those guys are morons. But I do not think they should be charged with anything. Nor do I care that they did what they did. Though I do think that cause and effect will take place. So one could say the Ferguson event or verdict caused this reaction by those Rams. Which they have every right to express the effect it had on them. Now the action of those players have caused many people to be angry. The effect on these angry people could be a new dislike for the team that could cause having less fans of the NFL or perhaps have the NFL cast in an unpleasant light. The NFL has set rules, assumable out of a desire to keep the game out of all controversy and solely a sport to enjoy free from all other issues. They have every right to react as they choose using your Rule 12, Section 3, Article 1 (d). That is their freedom and right. Now I believe the players still have the right to have expressed themselves as they did, though they must be prepared to suffer the consequences, of the rights the NFL may choose to exercise. Even if it was not a policy set forth, the NFL still has the right to react in their best interest as long as they are not violating a contract. Is it a legal issue? I believe NOT. People have every right do or say whatever they want, where ever they want, as long as it is within the law, but must be prepared that if they break a rule in the context of their free expression, or piss people off, then others will also exercise their free rights as an effect to what was caused by their actions. And rightfully so. That's life. Not illegal. Just cause and effect at play. No one is wrong here. IMO.

                And to be consistent, if it were a christian praying after a touch down, they would have had every right to do so, but should also be prepared to suffer the consequences of their action by those who are displeased. They would have the right to make a choice of what is more important to them and if they are willing to sacrifice something that they also enjoy, then that is fair enough. No one has the right to have it all. Though I am a Christian and would be proud of a Christian deciding to put Jesus ahead of worldly pleasures and rules, I accept that others have the right to different opinions and have the right to exercise their beliefs in whatever fashion they choose, even if it is discharging the Christian prayer from the game or giving a penalty, again as long as it is within the law. Nobody is wrong here either.
                Last edited by msc; 12-02-2014, 05:02 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ArmyFerret View Post
                  As much as this doesn't fall under freedom of speech, union contracts and media clauses and whatnot, why is there a demand for punishment for an act of expression? Tasteless or offensive? Perspective. Inflammatory? Seemed pretty peaceful, and I don't think I'm ready to charge those players with inciting violence that's already happened.
                  The NFL can punish players for political expressions on the field (in most cases): That is the price they pay for signing multi-million dollar contracts. Also, I don't think anyone is calling for them to be "charged," per se: That would involve law enforcement which is definitely not called for here.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
                    What are you talking about? Most of these players have college degrees
                    a college degree doesn't guarantee an education: Only attendance in most cases.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Good1 View Post

                      The NFL can punish players for political expressions on the field (in most cases): That is the price they pay for signing multi-million dollar contracts. Also, I don't think anyone is calling for them to be "charged," per se: That would involve law enforcement which is definitely not called for here.
                      I'll gladly throw out the word charged. And I'm perfectly okay with contracted players being punished for whatever is in their contracts... fined, suspended, whatever. And I'm okay with boycotts against advertisers of the NFL, the Rams... I'm okay with a lot of things.

                      What I don't get is the call for discipline. How dare they offend me, punish them, and if we don't get what we want, retribution. From the St. Louis Police Officers' Association of all places. Regardless of what the grand jury returned, perception is reality to those who perceive it, and here the association is going after a peaceful statement because it's high profile and what... they used the word inflammatory... do they really believe this act could incite more violence? The dead boy and the lack of punishment incited violence in people who are already predisposed to violence.

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                        Did they determine that Brown raised his hands or was that just the "testimony" of the lying "witnesses" whose statements contradicted physical evidence?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ArmyFerret View Post

                          I'll gladly throw out the word charged. And I'm perfectly okay with contracted players being punished for whatever is in their contracts... fined, suspended, whatever. And I'm okay with boycotts against advertisers of the NFL, the Rams... I'm okay with a lot of things.

                          What I don't get is the call for discipline. How dare they offend me, punish them, and if we don't get what we want, retribution. From the St. Louis Police Officers' Association of all places. Regardless of what the grand jury returned, perception is reality to those who perceive it, and here the association is going after a peaceful statement because it's high profile and what... they used the word inflammatory... do they really believe this act could incite more violence? The dead boy and the lack of punishment incited violence in people who are already predisposed to violence.
                          The should be disciplined to the extent that they violated their contracts and/or NFL rules (which Commodore cited, above: "Rule 12, Section 3, Article 1 (d), "Players are prohibited from engaging in any celebrations or demonstrations while on the ground." ).

                          The issue is not that they offended anyone because they are uninformed and clueless so it would be a stretch to support that anyone was offended by their idiotic display. They chose that particular display because they believed those reports that said Michael Brown had raised his hands and was surrendering. Those reports were debunked by those same witnesses as they testified before the Grand Jury.
                          Originally posted by Slon View Post
                          Did they determine that Brown raised his hands or was that just the "testimony" of the lying "witnesses" whose statements contradicted physical evidence?
                          @ Slon: This also answers your question: The witnesses statements were contradicted by the physical evidence AND they were effectively recanted during their Grand Jury testimony.
                          Last edited by DavidSF; 12-04-2014, 06:43 AM.

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                          • #14
                            A bunch of over-paid athletes used symbolism that is factual incorrect to show support for a deceased thug and criminal in Ferguson ... how classy.

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