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7 Countries where Americans can study for free

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  • 7 Countries where Americans can study for free

    Yes, there are first world countries where university student debt is not a problem, and education fees don´t keep rising like in the US, because they don´t exist. And where the state has made the decision to fully finance all university education, for citizens as well as foreigners (!). The Washington Post article lists seven countries where Americans (and others) can study for free (or almost free), often even partially or completely in English, and it is not talking about socialist Cuba, but f.e. Germany, Finland or Sweden :

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...r-almost-free/

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    Some nations realize if you wanted an educated workforce they have to be educated. Some countries give nationals a living stipend on top of th education as well. Herein the U.S. a college education is important but has become a tool to feed the coffers of the banking system.

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    • #3
      Education should be free for everyone as it's such a fantastic investment in the future.

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      • #4
        For some strange reason the U.S.at large is willing to pay people to stay poor and stupid but doesn't want them to actually be educated.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
          Education should be free for everyone as it's such a fantastic investment in the future.
          True. It is. Especially when measured against job satisfaction.

          Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
          For some strange reason the U.S.at large is willing to pay people to stay poor and stupid but doesn't want them to actually be educated.
          I'd say that the EU model has placed the burden on education on the entire population, centralized government run model, pretty much the same as healthcare. The US has a government / private hybrid system, just like healthcare (at least for now).

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          • #6
            Education benefits everyone- so it fits within the "general welfare" portion of the constitution. The public education system was initiated over 150 years ago in most areas of the country. For some odd reason, it wasn't extended to the technical/university system after high school. Where it was tried (California in the 1960's), it was discontinued. Why?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
              I'd say that the EU model has placed the burden on education on the entire population, centralized government run model, pretty much the same as healthcare. The US has a government / private hybrid system, just like healthcare (at least for now).
              So the U.S. model where we pay for uneducated idiots to live in poverty and an ever growing police state is working?
              I say no unemployment without college or technical training. If we want things to improve, let's actually do something so the lives of our citizens can improve.

              Half of the war on drugs would provide over $24 Billion for education. Might be wiser spending funds teaching men to fish instead of feeding them fish after they dip their lines in the wrong pond.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                Education benefits everyone- so it fits within the "general welfare" portion of the constitution. The public education system was initiated over 150 years ago in most areas of the country. For some odd reason, it wasn't extended to the technical/university system after high school. Where it was tried (California in the 1960's), it was discontinued. Why?
                The "general welfare" clause is not some sort of infinitely huge bucket into which we can keep justifying heaping more into.
                The language has been defined by the constitution and follow on legal interpretations and judgements to be far more narrow than that, and far more narrow than what's become common usage in daily language.

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                • #9
                  By your reasoning, we should not have initiated the public school system in the 19th century, then?

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                  • #10
                    It's not free. The taxpayers of those countries pay for it with their taxes.

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                    • #11
                      Agreed, it is not free. Now, if you would please answer the question from post #9.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                        Education benefits everyone- so it fits within the "general welfare" portion of the constitution. The public education system was initiated over 150 years ago in most areas of the country. For some odd reason, it wasn't extended to the technical/university system after high school. Where it was tried (California in the 1960's), it was discontinued. Why?
                        An educated populous does benefit everyone, but it comes not simply from the expenditure of collective resources, but from the individual choice to apply oneself. We've fallen into the trap of thinking we can just throw money we don't have at the problem, forgetting that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. There are significant portions for the population for which education is simply not a cultural priority, and even larger segment for which education is simply a means to an economic end, which both misses the point entirely and actually turns many people off from the process.

                        An educational infrastructure benefits the general welfare, but not what we are doing now.

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                        • #13
                          I'd agree with that too, and it's more to the point. There were two major mistakes with the original public education project, which began in the 1800's.
                          -An emphasis on university rather than technical education, resulting in a lack of workers prepared for the trades. Equal support is needed, or biased depending on where skills are needed during a given time.
                          -Ignoring the post-high school costs of education. One can lead an extremely intelligent horse to water, but if one insists on charging large enuf fees for the water, the horse will die of thirst regardless of his ability or motivation. If the horse can get the grades and complete the projects, they should be able to get certification from the very best schools. Their income going in should be irrelevant.

                          Take care of these two problems, and we can separate the motivated from the parasites. Until then, we are swimming in the muck, and won't be able to exploit the difference between poor with motivation and talent, vs. the mediocre children of the very wealthy who buy their children's diplomas. We need much more of the former, and much less of the latter category. If that balance is not adjusted -to heavily favor the talented and motivated over the merely privileged- our meritocracy is doomed to failure. Should we make that adjustment, we can lump the mediocre together -whether from the wealthy or poor economic classes- and justify limiting resources they get from the state. Until then, apologists (right and left) will justify mis-spending resources for people who "had no chance" (those poor who may not be motivated) or "too big to fail" (those mediocre children of some wealthy families). Both groups include those who are not motivated to learn and achieve, via legitimate means.

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                          • #14
                            Would Americans be willing to see a small reduction in defence spending if the money was guaranteed (I have no idea how possible this is) to go into public education at all levels up to and including free education for university and mature students.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                              Education should be free for everyone as it's such a fantastic investment in the future.
                              Who will pay for the "free" education? The United States is already neck deep in debt, and increasing the demand for "free" tuition only leads to increased tuition costs and unsustainable long-term expense.

                              What about those that worked hard to earn their college education? What about all those who are still paying off college debt? Would this free entitlement retroactively take care of those individuals?

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