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  • Originally posted by Good1 View Post

    Not going to argue theology with you: Neither of us knows the mind of God, but you're selecting out pieces of Scripture you believe support your position and neglecting the "big picture."

    I get your passion about the states "must" decide, but while they didn't make something up "out of whole cloth with gay marriage," they just blew States rights out of the water by making such a sweeping decision at all: They effectively took the decision (in this case) out of the states' hands and made it a national precedent.

    And, with that, set the stage for all other abnormal sexual preferences to take their spin at the big wheel. As with homosexuals, other groups should have a similar plan that probably shouldn't start with a court case: First, I think, they build public support, then public outrage at the "injustice" ... and then a few court losses before they get their chance at SCOTUS.

    You can "easily predict" all you want. You might be learning jurisprudence, but you are not accounting for cultural shifting. What used to be unacceptable, is lauded today. What is unacceptable today, could be heralded tomorrow. You still don't now the future; best you can do is base your expectation on what you see today and extrapolate what that looks like tomorrow: EXACTLY what I'm doing, yet we arrive at different potential results.

    I'm not actually. Old testament God was perfectly ok with polygamy as you can see from his multiple implied and even outright endorsements of it by deed.. That's not to say that was the only way in the old testament, just that he both enabled it (david) and did not smite over it specifically.
    New Testament Christ has a single passage about a man and woman leaving their families to become one flesh. << That's where Christians derive the concept of traditional marriage from. And then there is the cord of 3 strands bit which can be implied to reinforce that concept.


    Well yeah they did. States don't get to abridge constitutional rights to equal protection under the law. That's not a state right. As explained polygamy doesn't fall under that umbrella.


    All? No. Polygamy? Sure. They'll try a court case and get slapped down, I think one of those TLC stars is already trying such in Montana IIRC? Doesn't mean they'll win. They will try to drum up support for legislative action and might actually do so. Might not too.
    But bestiality or pedophilia? Not a chance. Why? Because children cannot consent and neither can animals. They lack the capacity as a matter of scientific fact. That's not going to change. NAMBLA has been around for years and no significant portion of the population supports their abomination. Likewise with bestiality. Its just not going to happen unless you can get scientists to fake studies showing kids are perfectly able to consent and so are dogs etc. <<< Its never going to happen. I can actually say that with surety.
    No amount of cultural shift is going to allow for grown adults raping small children legally. Likewise for raping an animal. Or rather if it is it will be post WW3 in some sort of dystopian mad-max/walking dead style fuckery >> Which doesn't really count as under our laws anymore now does it?

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    • Originally posted by msc View Post
      You did, and there have been past wordings that marriage is between a Man and a Woman. It was challenged and the definition was changed. Who's to say that the number will not be challenged and changed?

      If you're going to start getting worried that the wording may at some future time be changed then you can start worrying about everything.
      I don't mean this to be insulting but it seems like you're looking for reasons to see that things are falling apart and have a gloomy outlook and I just don't think there's any reason to be so gloomy about the future.

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      • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post


        If you're going to start getting worried that the wording may at some future time be changed then you can start worrying about everything.
        I don't mean this to be insulting but it seems like you're looking for reasons to see that things are falling apart and have a gloomy outlook and I just don't think there's any reason to be so gloomy about the future.
        Look, all is good, I don't take it personally. But honestly I don't get why you're so interested and appearingly passionate about the going ons with the US. I get your interest in our foreign policy.

        I have interest in foreign countries and how they work, but put no judgement on civilized nations that choose for their country to work the way it does. Who am I to say that socialized medicine is bad if the people experiencing it within their own country like it. I understand that societies are different, with different likes and desires and different ways of life. Yet you don't afford the US the same respect.

        In the US we are the ones that have to suffer some laws and get to enjoy what our constitution gives us. We have experienced capitalism and a free market, small gov't. And many if not most of us like it and are willing to fight for it. Someone who has never experienced it in it's entirety would not be able to make a fair judgement on the liberties it affords Americans. With every advantage something awards us, there is always a downside. It is for people within the US to decide which disadvantages we will accept to gain certain advantages that are important to us, that other people from other countries may not find as important. You too are choosing a downside. Just different from Americans.

        And as I too do not wish to insult, but I find it rather arrogant to believe only your way is the right way and ridicule those within the US who don't believe as you do. I show no such arrogance to people of other civilized nations.

        If you have something that you enjoy, it is harder to give it up then someone who has never had the opportunity to know it's merits, and just has to give up the idea or never consider it.

        I never missed rainbow cookies until I had one. (I try to stay away for my health, but often falter). If I never had one, all would be good. My parallel is that I have also had freedom and liberty that a small gov't free internal market allows. I and many Americans have chosen which sacrifices we choose to make and are willing to fight for them internally against people who do not believe we should continue with the rewards our type of society allows. A family fight if you will.

        And I guess my question is: What's it to you?

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        • They tell us; "Don't be hateful and discriminate."

          Then ....are hateful and discriminate.

          You see, there ARE still hypocrisies & double standards.

          Double standards & hypocrisies we'll pretend don't exist.

          This isn't new. What great and new things are liberals bringing us again ???

          New and different double standards and hypocrisies to lie to ourselves & each other about.

          It's Ok to discriminate against people who go to church and believe "The Bible."

          Even going so far as denying couples the ability adopt children who go to church and believe that * GASP * Bible.

          On the other hand, we won't inhibit homosexual people from adopting kids.

          I guess we felt off balance ... didn't feel like we had enough ways to be hateful and discriminate..

          ... we just found new ways !

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          Dr. Charles McVety, who leads Canada Christian College as president, says the married couple's beliefs don't match the supposed "values" of the province of Ontario and its leaders.

          Yet it's widely known, he says, that CAS favors same-sex couples as foster parents over religious couples.


          Such a discriminatory practice would be an eye-opening revelation, since the argument from same-sex couples has been excluding them from fostering children is discriminatory.

          Canada's far-left leaders view Christianity and its followers as the enemy of progress.

          The rejection letter reads:

          We also want to let you know that the policies of our agency do not appear to fit with your values and beliefs and therefore, we will be unable to move forward with an approval for your family as a resource home.

          "It wasn't enough that we demonstrated that we would love any child that was placed in our home," Levi denBok wrote in his Facebook message. "It wasn't enough that we would provide a safe place for a child to learn and grow. We had to BELIEVE differently. That's not conformity that's conversion."

          Hoping to foster a child in their home, husband and wife Levi and Amanda denBok applied with Children's Aid Services (CAS) but were informed via letter that their religious beliefs disqualified them, The Christian Post reported.

          The couple shared the rejection letter in a Facebook post, describing how they were asked by a CAS adopting agent what church they attend and if they believe the Bible is true.

          In the interview, the husband and wife were asked: "Are you one of those churches that still believes the Bible is true?"

          The agent informed the couple that the Bible was written "thousands of years ago" and the world has since changed, the couple claims.


          https://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2...d-quiet-church

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          • Yes, just another step towards normalizing aberrant behavior by discriminating against one group that disagrees with that behavior.

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            • Originally posted by DavidSF View Post
              Yes, just another step towards normalizing aberrant behavior by discriminating against one group that disagrees with that behavior.
              How does this make sense ?

              From those who tell us not to be bigoted & intolerant ?

              "Don't be bigoted & intolerant, that's only for us !" - Say the intolerant bigots

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