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  • Civil Wrongs

    Those who remember me from past years on this forum may recall I am extremely logical and unapologetically literal. Over the past 90 months I have observed race relations steadily decline in a nation which, as a whole, has proven to be post-racial. The disappointment and frustration over an issue I care deeply about is only multiplied by the fact I saw this coming from light years away and still have a college writing assignment proving so.

    It was 1987 in my Freshman College Writing 102 class where I first began recognizing modern liberalism. My professor insisted on racial dialogue claiming it were the secret to achieving ethnic equality. After I had suggested obsessing over skin color may not be the path toward unity she then led the class in relentless denigration of my character and opinions. That was the moment I realized liberal thought had no room for diversity of opinions. Disagreement on its own indicates bigotry in the progressive mind.

    http://drivebias.com/civil-wrongs/

    Twenty-Nine years later we have a twice elected a black President proving we are not a racist nation. Regardless, the same civil rights leaders continue demanding increased racial dialogue as a path toward racial equality. As I had discovered in 1987, racial dialogue is code word for white people apologizing. Anything less than an apology is unacceptable.

    Just as I suggested nearly three decades ago, our preoccupation with skin color cannot possibly lead toward a color-blind society. The real road toward equality will be evident when we stop fixating on our differences.
    Civil Wrongs - racism in America is fueled by emotions rather than reason. This path has been in place since the 1980's. Why progress stopped 30 years ago.

  • #2
    I think black folk have been seriously screwed over in the U.S. policies of agencies and banks have screwed them out of generations of wealth building property investmment. A lot of the problems that are seen among Black today is related to wealth, equally as financially disenfranchised commmmunities of other ethnicities do poorly as well. We are seeing a problem of wealth, education, and reduced opportunity presented because of previosuly enforced policies. Getting hung up on a nonexistant fairness and trying to make amends for bad policies of the past by imposing new unbalanced policies sure as heck doesn't look like it's worked .

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SupPackFan View Post
      Those who remember me from past years on this forum may recall I am extremely logical and unapologetically literal. Over the past 90 months I have observed race relations steadily decline in a nation which, as a whole, has proven to be post-racial. The disappointment and frustration over an issue I care deeply about is only multiplied by the fact I saw this coming from light years away – and still have a college writing assignment proving so.

      It was 1987 in my Freshman College Writing 102 class where I first began recognizing modern liberalism. My professor insisted on ‘racial dialogue’ claiming it were the secret to achieving ethnic equality. After I had suggested obsessing over skin color may not be the path toward unity she then led the class in relentless denigration of my character and opinions. That was the moment I realized liberal thought had no room for diversity of opinions. Disagreement on its own indicates bigotry in the progressive mind.

      http://drivebias.com/civil-wrongs/

      Twenty-Nine years later we have a twice elected a black President proving we are not a racist nation. Regardless, the same civil rights leaders continue demanding increased ‘racial dialogue’ as a path toward racial equality. As I had discovered in 1987, ‘racial dialogue’ is code word for white people apologizing. Anything less than an apology is unacceptable.

      Just as I suggested nearly three decades ago, our preoccupation with skin color cannot possibly lead toward a color-blind society. The real road toward equality will be evident when we stop fixating on our differences.
      If we do that, Jessee and Al and company will be out of business. Obama has done more damage to race relations in this country than anyone alive today. Liberals are vicious when they are challenged. They get really nasty in behavior.

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      • #4
        As I said in the thread the other day, the only way to break the cycle is to get the kids off the streets and out of the broken homes, where they can be supervised, so they stay out of trouble, and properly mentored, so the education being offered can really sink in. That is the only way anyone can survive adolescence, and still have higher education and employment opportunities open to them. That kind of environment is produced naturally where real functioning families exist, but as of now certain government policies seriously discourage that sort of thing. The only way I can see to reintroduce that culture into a people who haven't had it for generations is with public boarding schools, which seem counter-intuitive when government policies have created the problem to begin with, but a teacher can't help but be a better father figure than a welfare check, and you have to start somewhere. The real challenge is enforcing a curriculum that actually makes functional people. Knowing math is great and all, but if they can't identify their gender by looking in their pants, you still haven't created functional adults.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Commodore View Post
          As I said in the thread the other day, the only way to break the cycle is to get the kids off the streets and out of the broken homes, where they can be supervised, so they stay out of trouble, and properly mentored, so the education being offered can really sink in. That is the only way anyone can survive adolescence, and still have higher education and employment opportunities open to them. That kind of environment is produced naturally where real functioning families exist, but as of now certain government policies seriously discourage that sort of thing. The only way I can see to reintroduce that culture into a people who haven't had it for generations is with public boarding schools, which seem counter-intuitive when government policies have created the problem to begin with, but a teacher can't help but be a better father figure than a welfare check, and you have to start somewhere. The real challenge is enforcing a curriculum that actually makes functional people. Knowing math is great and all, but if they can't identify their gender by looking in their pants, you still haven't created functional adults.
          You were doing good before you slipped in your hang-up at the end.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
            You were doing good before you slipped in your hang-up at the end.
            Thank you for proving why all previous efforts to truly bring people out of poverty has failed, and why my modest proposal would probably be perverted as well.

            Social issues matter. If you can't govern your baser instincts, your never going to be able to govern your finances, your education, or a career capable of raising the next generation. If it's not taught at home, and it's not taught at school, it sure as hell is not going to be taught on the streets.

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            • #7
              If it's not taught at home, and it's not taught at school, it sure as hell is going to be taught on the streets and in the shadows.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                If it's not taught at home, and it's not taught at school, it sure as hell is going to be taught on the streets and in the shadows.
                As evidenced by the overabundance of morals exhibited by those raised by the streets?

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                • #9
                  The moral values of this country have been totally perverted. As was said in Timothy:

                  [2Ti 4:3-4] 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
                  People today have reached that stage. They will listen to what they want to hear. The will be taught what is politically correct by the so called "teachers" of our society.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                    The moral values of this country have been totally perverted. As was said in Timothy:



                    People today have reached that stage. They will listen to what they want to hear. The will be taught what is politically correct by the so called "teachers" of our society.
                    No doubt this nation, American society, would be much better off if honesty, integrity, and basic traditional western morality was of value. Of course it has never been anywhere complete, practiced by all, but we do seem to cycle on how much of society embraces these things, and their value system then flows from that good foundation. In these times, honesty and integrity seems to be making a comeback in the millenials., but I am not at all sure about the common, basic morality issues. I know that my own generations, the baby boomers, suffered from a lack of honesty, integrity, and a western moral compass, so many of them. They are our politicians today. You know, I was born into an America in which the American people by and large trusted their gov't and thought gov't could help to make their lives better by intelligent, compassionate policy, but also by looking out for them, instead of the rich elites. And the reason we trusted them is because they were representing us in DC. Looking out for average citizens. There is probably a correlation between when our public servants stopped representing the People, and the rise of the mistrust, and disapproval ratings.

                    A voter with honestly, integrity and a basic moral compass, would never vote for a candidate that exhibited none of these. For people with these good things, tend to expect them from others, especially one given a job that can literally affect your daily life. These things should be a means test for any man or woman who would be King. And the princes and princesses.

                    IMO, and its just a personal opinion, one of the things that helped to create what America once was, were Judeochristian morality and values. This morality and values does not necessarily have to come from Judaism or Christianity, but it is just the fact that this is where American got these things. But even given that, the founders, learning from how the Church of England was deeply in politics, and the problems this created, gave us separation of church and state, to keep one denomination from abusing the others, by having gov't on its side, The founders who were not Christians, were Deists, and Deists share the same moral compass and value system as what Christ taught. That we have moved away from these moral and values has consequences and determines what kind of society you have to live in. The current society that I live in is night and day from the one I grew up in. And aside from a few positive changes, the negetives far outweigh the positives and we have seen a tremendous net loss. Much of what you see in society today is destructive, creates disorder, division. And it is celebrated, deepening the conditioning.

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                    • #11
                      For baby boomers like Blue Doggy I ask the main point of my article referred to in my OP - the question I hint at but never really answer. Why did the radical advancements of the baby boom generation come to a screeching halt in my Gen-X?

                      The base of my article is a college lecture hall in 1987. I think it is unarguable that life for blacks in American dramatically improved between 1957 and 1987. The back of the bus to the front of the line, thanks to the baby boom generation. If that trajectory had continued over the next three decades we would not even have a 'race issue' today. It is my generation who has completely dropped the ball on racial equality. I enjoy the ideas - especially from baby boomers - of what exactly went wrong.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Commodore View Post

                        As evidenced by the overabundance of morals exhibited by those raised by the streets?
                        You are under the misconception there is just one moral reality, or just one that will be taught.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SupPackFan View Post
                          For baby boomers like Blue Doggy I ask the main point of my article referred to in my OP - the question I hint at but never really answer. Why did the radical advancements of the baby boom generation come to a screeching halt in my Gen-X?

                          The base of my article is a college lecture hall in 1987. I think it is unarguable that life for blacks in American dramatically improved between 1957 and 1987. The back of the bus to the front of the line, thanks to the baby boom generation. If that trajectory had continued over the next three decades we would not even have a 'race issue' today. It is my generation who has completely dropped the ball on racial equality. I enjoy the ideas - especially from baby boomers - of what exactly went wrong.
                          Honestly, I really do not know what went wrong. But I do not think Obama helped at all, even as he was in the position to actually stand a chance at advancement rather than regression. The fact that Obama won as in did in 08 should be the real story here, that we went from a nation that would have never elected a guy who looked black, to one that would, and did, by large numbers. Historical turnout in 08.

                          Perhaps it is not all of Obama's fault, and was helped along by the age of good cell cameras and the number of these that are out there, where a regular person can video a police incident where blacks are killed, when in many cases the black could have been subdued and arrested, and taken safely to jail. Now, no doubt the treatment of cops of black law breakers has probably gone on forever, even if it may have actually gotten better, from what it once was. I dunno for sure. And now we are in an age where police behavior towards blacks is finally being made known, and it looks to some people like perhaps some racial hatred is involved, whether it is or not.

                          So while I just do not know the answer to your question, we all have opinions. We basically gave blacks equal protection under the law, where it was illegal to discriminate against them,, because of skin color. That was a tremendously good thing, a moral action, and it was good. And black lives benefitted from it. But a new black culture arose, created in part by the way the war on poverty was structured, and that black culture produced some really negative facets, that when objected to, is called racism. Yet it has everything to do with what black culture created and gave society, and perhaps not that much to do with the color of one's skin. So if you speak out against the negative things predominant in black culture, the racial divides come up and get reinforced, and we have seen that happen. I do not know what the role of generation x plays in this. Are you saying they may have dropped the ball or what?

                          I saw real racism in the south when I was maturing. And, I see hardly any of that today, so for me, the gains have been astronomical. And we do not celebrate that enough, for then you get accused of thinking that everything is just great, when it isn't. And therefore are accepting of the status quo.

                          I have little doubt though, that what sort of economy we have cannot be separated from the rest of what goes on in this area being discussed. No more than you can separate a tomato plant from its environment, except as an intellectual exercise. To ignore the earth, the air, the sun, the rain, when it comes to a tomato plant is just not intelligent at all. The tomato plant is an expression of what its environment can and will or will not produce. So, this racism, the fact of poverty being a fertilizer for crime, cannot be looked at without understanding the role of the environment, yet that is what many tend to do. You see more of it on the right side of the spectrum. And if you only see reality in this manner, you are missing one of the key elements that needs consideration if one is ever gonna address it in any serious meaningful fashion.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Commodore View Post

                            Thank you for proving why all previous efforts to truly bring people out of poverty has failed, and why my modest proposal would probably be perverted as well.

                            Social issues matter. If you can't govern your baser instincts, your never going to be able to govern your finances, your education, or a career capable of raising the next generation. If it's not taught at home, and it's not taught at school, it sure as hell is not going to be taught on the streets.
                            Bringing people out of poverty is possible in the modern world, where scarcity is no longer a driving factor for capitalism. We could end poverty today in America, by simply using rationality, reason and intelligence. What holds it back from happening is nothing more than ideological beliefs, and assumptions that then flow from such beliefs.

                            If you really want to reduce crime, where one person takes what another person works for, you end poverty by a guaranteed income, which actually is enough to end poverty. It would be a redistribution of income, and it would end hundreds of gov't burocracies that cost vast amounts of money to maintain, and which always grow like cancers, sapping the blood from its host. It would shrink gov't like nothing else, given the long reaching tenacles of the hundreds of welfare programs. It would get rid of these entrenched means tests which cost money.

                            Where this experiement was tried in a small town in Canada, it broke all of the negative assumptions that people had about a guaranteed living wage income. That it would make everyone lazy, and they would wear out the seats of their pants, sitting on their arses. Which is nonsense, although there would be many who would do just that, the unmotivated, the drug addicts but these are not a major part of any population. What it would do for the people working service sector jobs, in which you could drop the wages, is it would make their jobs which added disposable income and greater comfort, and status, worth working. That job now with the other income gives great security and prosperity to all working people, and they do not feel exploited for they now have enough to live on, well.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                              You are under the misconception there is just one moral reality, or just one that will be taught.
                              Mankind has tried to create his own moral reality for thousands of years, with each new effort causing more death and destruction than the last.

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