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  • Originally posted by msc View Post
    The only racial divide we have in this nation is due to a false narrative put forth by race batters, ...

    We have to stop claiming our country with a two time elected Black president, elected by more than half of the population is a country that wants to keep the Black man down. How does anyone believe racist people will vote for a black president? Twice!? If we must address race, we have to stop talking about why and what the black man can not do, and talk about what the black man CAN do.

    Our media needs to stop defining race when the perpetrator is Black and the office is white, or perpetrator is white, especially before any information is uncovered that it is a racist attack. When a white person is killed, the media never seems to alert the public to the color of the perpetrator. Only when a black person is killed. Our leaders and media is race batting us all. We are all subjects of injustice and are being made fools of. We are all being encouraged to resent the other by the portrayal of events. Black people harmed just as much by it.
    I just want to add the 'Why?' factor. There is no demographic in the United States as politically partisan as African Americans. 85% to 95% of blacks have voted democrat in every election over the last several decades. One political party is deeply invested in continuing this trend. I contend the democrat partnership, what I call the DAHM liberals (democrat, academia, Hollywood, media), are directly to blame. I became aware of that in a university lecture hall 1987 - which is why it is a big moment I have written about - realizing I oppose what they stand for. The DAHM liberals are intent on keeping the dominant black vote even if they have to create a race war to do it. Keeping the black man angry is to their advantage. Never forget that.

    Republicans play games to keep their base constituents as well - but in no place do I see them literally damaging the future of an entire group for personal gain. They hype the supposed desire to take peoples guns away and exaggerate the 'evils' of Planned Parenthood, all to keep Christian gun-owners pulling the republican lever. But even evangelical gun-owners do not vote anywhere near the 90% mark for republican candidates. Keeping voters on edge concerned about losing constitutional rights does not destroy the future potential of the very base you claim to be protecting. The republican party does not intentionally support legislation which covertly causes more abortions or decreased gun rights - simply to keep their base angry and voting republican. Yet that is exactly what the civil rights movement has been doing for three decades or more.

    The 'Why?' is the most disturbing part of the post-MLK civil rights movement.

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    • Originally posted by msc View Post
      The only racial divide we have in this nation is due to a false narrative put forth by race batters, and citizens being pumped up to believe Police and White people want to keep the Black Man down. We will always have racists on BOTH sides, but that is not the mass of the nation we live in today. The so called Dialogue has to stop. We need to stop defining each other. We have to stop giving grants because one is black or a minority. We have to stop filling out race on forms and applications. We have to stop claiming our country with a two time elected Black president, elected by more than half of the population is a country that wants to keep the Black man down. How does anyone believe racist people will vote for a black president? Twice!? If we must address race, we have to stop talking about why and what the black man can not do, and talk about what the black man CAN do.

      Our media needs to stop defining race when the perpetrator is Black and the office is white, or perpetrator is white, especially before any information is uncovered that it is a racist attack. When a white person is killed, the media never seems to alert the public to the color of the perpetrator. Only when a black person is killed. Our leaders and media is race batting us all. We are all subjects of injustice and are being made fools of. We are all being encouraged to resent the other by the portrayal of events. Black people harmed just as much by it.

      MLK's message to America is (We Are NOT Animals), we are equal human beings and must be recognized and treated EQUAL. The behavior of today's Black activists, protests turned into violent riots, and excessive criminal behavior in black communities, is telling America that (We ARE Animals). Leaders excusing this behavior is telling the nation that we should treat Black people as equals even though they behave like animals. This is a narrative also created by the choice of publications showing righteousness to violent activities and sympathizing with those who participate in crime and violence. MLK would be ashamed. Ashamed that the black people have allowed the white race batters and black one's as well, to encourage bad behavior in black communities and allow themselves to be represented by the criminals and violent human beings of color by sympathizing and defending them.
      Well, IMO, there are forces in this society that want the division, whether its racial, or political. What the motive is, is up for discussion.

      Yet I am not at all surprised by this division, which would happen regardless of such forces. Hard economic times will always create division, unrest, disorder, a weakening of societal bonds that hold any nation together. In fact, hard times is a primary driver of such things. Because during such times, every nuisance becomes untenable, an itch becomes the hives of an allergic reaction, in perception. And a minimal amount of racism, which is natural in any society, becomes a perception of monumental and wide spread racism. This is happening today.

      People who are economically stressed, worried, anxious acts out in other areas of existence. This is irrefutable, for we always see it, in one form or another. This is the reason that the kind of economy a nation has is just so important to the overall health of the society. It is one thing, when the economy is structured to provide what is needed for a society,and goes into a natural business cycle recession, but quite another if the economy has been restructured not to provide for a society, in order that profits at the top may be maxed out. We are living in the latter case. And so division and societal breakdown is done because of a total irresponsibility, created by nothing more than what has always hurt societies, the greed of the elites, when allowed to flower and rule. And yet some people see this as some kind of freedom, and not only acceptable, but desired. And that is utter irresponsibility. And its not like we cannot see this in history, and what it has always created. But if you are for this kind of freedom, of course you will not look, you will not understand, for it goes against an ideological belief. And so these people simply do not care. But they do care about their beliefs. This has gone on for years.

      We should look at economic models with a scientific mind. And from that, construct the economic model. Instead of leaving it up to the economics of greed, which is at the top. I think the FDR model was looking at the economy as the means to provide prosperity for the greatest number of people, which creates a more healthy society, and the dismantling of that, gave us an economy that is driven by something else. Maxing out profits of the top. You cannot max out profits of the top, by open borders free trade globalization, and have an economy that serves the rest of the population. To think you can have both is just not reality. For it has never been done. And can never be done. It is one, or the other. Most things in life fall into this category. And yet so many will just deny the fact.
      Last edited by Blue Doggy; 07-20-2016, 08:31 AM.

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      • Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
        Well, IMO, there are forces in this society that want the division, whether its racial, or political. What the motive is, is up for discussion.
        My theory - written in the post directly above - is that modern liberals in the democrat party are the forces you refer to. Without such consistent domination of the black vote the democrat party would find its viable future in serious trouble. There is way too much at stake for them to ever allow the race issue be resolved. Democrats cannot survive in a colorblind society.

        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
        And so division and societal breakdown is done because of a total irresponsibility, created by nothing more than what has always hurt societies, the greed of the elites, when allowed to flower and rule. And yet some people see this as some kind of freedom, and not only acceptable, but desired. And that is utter irresponsibility. And its not like we cannot see this in history, and what it has always created. But if you are for this kind of freedom, of course you will not look, you will not understand, for it goes against an ideological belief. And so these people simply do not care. But they do care about their beliefs. This has gone on for years.
        And may you someday reach this utopian society we dream of - where power and greed of the elites never manifests. To date it has never existed. Human nature prevents it. But at least with freedom - even if oligarchy and crony capitalism wrongfully develop - at least our liberty and potential to flourish cannot be denied. However, when that power and greed is concentrated among the same ruling class directing the police and military your very freedom is at risk. Any ability to succeed has nothing to do with effort and potential - but only to do with being chosen by political elites. Despite all of its shortcomings I choose rugged individualism over oppressive rule without hesitation.

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        • Originally posted by SupPackFan View Post

          My theory - written in the post directly above - is that modern liberals in the democrat party are the forces you refer to. Without such consistent domination of the black vote the democrat party would find its viable future in serious trouble. There is way too much at stake for them to ever allow the race issue be resolved. Democrats cannot survive in a colorblind society.


          And may you someday reach this utopian society we dream of - where power and greed of the elites never manifests. To date it has never existed. Human nature prevents it. But at least with freedom - even if oligarchy and crony capitalism wrongfully develop - at least our liberty and potential to flourish cannot be denied. However, when that power and greed is concentrated among the same ruling class directing the police and military your very freedom is at risk. Any ability to succeed has nothing to do with effort and potential - but only to do with being chosen by political elites. Despite all of its shortcomings I choose rugged individualism over oppressive rule without hesitation.
          I think I agree with you on both points. First, it is the modern liberal, which I see as an aberration of what I consider to be liberalism. And of course, you know that I am not a democrat, nor republican. I have generally for a very long time, since Perot, voted 3rd party out of conscience.

          And I agree with you that a utopia, where greed of the elites, who's great wealth can be turned into a power that trumps the best interests of America and her over 300 million souls, is totally neutralized, either by an evolution in human nature, or legislators completely denutting them has never happened, is perhaps impossible. But what we can do, is to work to minimize what the power of wealth does to gov't, law, policy. That can be done, and has been done in the 20th century. And it bore fruits, which had a role in creating the largest middle class in history, along with the rise of the American dream. And the way that this was achieved of course is within the realm of possibility. For it has already been accomplished once. Books were written on how it was pulled off, but yet the power of wealth didn't go away. It was just limited enough in particular areas. One great example is that the deregulation of the banking sector gave us too big to fail. And now, given the recent story on that one huge bank laundering narco trafficking money, which they were caught red handed doing, they are now too big to jail. For Holder said the reason they were only fined a bit over a billion, instead of being sent to prison, was because to do so would perhaps cause a major financial crisis, hurting both American and European economies, when we can hardly stand it. The bankers had the wealth, which means power, to get themselves deregulated, and look what that led to. We cannot even jail them when they laundry drug cartel money. And that is just unacceptable. The solution to stop this, is to regulate them in specific areas again, but also to break them up. Break up any bank that is too big to fail, too big to jail. And yet, who will do this, in either party today? NO ONE. And why? Because banking money to win elections have served as bribes, to keep this break up from happening. And yet, what conservative voter is demanding their party to do it? The only demands were sanders supporters, who were siding with sanders on breaking up these dangerous institutions.

          The point being, we regulated banking so they would not become too big to jail or fail, earlier, but those regulations were ditched. So, here is one example of what I am talking about, in castrating the elites and their greed, who are now too big to be subject to LAW. Think about that for a moment. We have got to end this, stop it. And the bankers will not do it themselves.

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          • Originally posted by SupPackFan View Post

            I just want to add the 'Why?' factor. There is no demographic in the United States as politically partisan as African Americans. 85% to 95% of blacks have voted democrat in every election over the last several decades. One political party is deeply invested in continuing this trend. I contend the democrat partnership, what I call the DAHM liberals (democrat, academia, Hollywood, media), are directly to blame. I became aware of that in a university lecture hall 1987 - which is why it is a big moment I have written about - realizing I oppose what they stand for. The DAHM liberals are intent on keeping the dominant black vote even if they have to create a race war to do it. Keeping the black man angry is to their advantage. Never forget that.

            Republicans play games to keep their base constituents as well - but in no place do I see them literally damaging the future of an entire group for personal gain. They hype the supposed desire to take peoples guns away and exaggerate the 'evils' of Planned Parenthood, all to keep Christian gun-owners pulling the republican lever. But even evangelical gun-owners do not vote anywhere near the 90% mark for republican candidates. Keeping voters on edge concerned about losing constitutional rights does not destroy the future potential of the very base you claim to be protecting. The republican party does not intentionally support legislation which covertly causes more abortions or decreased gun rights - simply to keep their base angry and voting republican. Yet that is exactly what the civil rights movement has been doing for three decades or more.

            The 'Why?' is the most disturbing part of the post-MLK civil rights movement.
            If you are interested, there is a history behind the black vote changing from GOP dominant to primarily Democrat. That happened before the rise of the welfare state, when FDR was barely getting started.

            That means ...what? It means there is (or was) a majority of black citizens who chose the party of opportunity and business over the party of labor unions. One argument from the right has some legitimacy on why the majority of black votes went to the GOP back in 1910. -Even if Democrats were more favorable to unions than the GOP, the D's were also home to violent white racists, at a time when murdering black people was often left unpunished. But the other reasons? If the Dems need to do some soul-searching on their "anything but a job" welfare system, the GOP has yet to answer the question: Why did the black vote abandon the GOP, long before the rise of the Welfare State?

            Neither party did enough to make a decent transition away from Jim Crow. That observation is separate from the lack of action by the black community to correct their own faults.

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            • Democrats Should Know Jim Crow, They Created Him

              Moreover, decrying all Republicans as racists is a Democrat article of faith. But why dredge up Jim Crow?

              In 1832, the phrase “Jim Crow” was born. By 1900, every former Confederate state (including Wyoming, Missouri, Ohio, Utah, Kentucky, Kansas and Oklahoma) had enacted “Jim Crow” laws prohibiting everything from interracial marriage to racially integrated public school systems. These state laws served to place blacks back on a virtual plantation. Similar to the “Black Codes” that came before them, Jim Crow laws were numerous. However, one denominator codified their sound support in Southern states: They all resulted from Democratic legislators of the “Solid South.”

              http://humanevents.com/2011/07/10/de...y-created-him/



              http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/index.html

              My advice to the republican party would be to speak about the creation of the Republican Party, (created with the goal of abolishing slavery), and history of the Democrat party, (how they fought tooth and nail to secure slavery and even tried to retract anti-racist laws).

              At every turn Republicans should be speaking about how the Democrat party is the party of slavery. Put out that label. Inform the Black community about how they, the Republican have alway fought for equality among races. Explain that as time progressed Republican continue to fight for equality meaning that blacks are equal and should be treated as such. With all the legal rights as white people have, but equal in the ability to succeed with the opportunity America offers. Equal respect for the intelligence, ability, and strength of the Black man. Equal in responsibility to society. Equal in EVERY way, shape, or form.

              Republicans should be speaking about how the Democrats have tricked and manipulated black people to believe they, the party that fought for slavery against Republicans, are in fact the party that wants to help the Black people. They offered candy to the black people in order to steel their vote away from the party that fought for them. How now the Democrats have been highly successful in getting many black folks to turn their back on their friends, that fought, risked their lives, and died along side blacks to free their brothers.

              Republicans should focus on challenging the black community to research the history, as most, if not all of what is true will be found on every site or in every history book. I'd question what have the Democrats done, to make the black community free and equal, and convince the Black folk to turn their backs on the very people that died for them. And why so many black people vote for the very people that died to keep slavery and segregation as law. Tell the people that the Democrats continue this practice by giving Black people almost just enough to survive and vote for them, yet cleverly portray their efforts to point out race as an asset to helping blacks out. A handicap is given, which insinuates that black people are handicapped. While Republicans insist that color is erased as the black humans are as equally capable as white humans.

              Give more time to explaining abortion was endorsed to limit the black population. So much can be said. So much can be said about what Republicans have done FOR, the black community and what Democrats have done TO the black community. Keep, keep, keep, pointing it out. Don't even refer to the Democrat party by it's formal name, but refer to it as the party of slavery. ALL the time.

              All this has been said here and there occasionally, but I'd pound on it with every speech, debate, and interview so any media coverage would HAVE to incorporate this information.

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              • Originally posted by msc View Post
                Moreover, decrying all Republicans as racists is a Democrat article of faith.

                Republicans should be speaking about how the Democrats have tricked and manipulated black people to believe they, the party that fought for slavery against Republicans, are in fact the party that wants to help the Black people. They offered candy to the black people in order to steel their vote away from the party that fought for them. How now the Democrats have been highly successful in getting many black folks to turn their back on their friends, that fought, risked their lives, and died along side blacks to free their brothers.
                The democrats will do anything to keep black America on the liberal plantation. It is a difficult battle to win when one side fights with facts and reasoning while the other plays on jealousy and anger. The democrats fight dirty - and their willing accomplices in academia, Hollywood, and the Washington press corp. give a helping hand every step of the way. Perfect example today. After several really good speeches laying out the vision of the republican party - here is what the media chooses to focus on: Did Laura Ingraham secretly signal to all of the Nazi's in Cleveland that Trump is with them. The assumption, of course, is that a bunch of republicans in that room are fans of the Final Solution. How, exactly, do you reason with people who actually believe crap like this? Laura.jpg

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                • Originally posted by msc View Post
                  Democrats Should Know Jim Crow, They Created Him

                  Moreover, decrying all Republicans as racists is a Democrat article of faith. But why dredge up Jim Crow?

                  In 1832, the phrase “Jim Crow” was born. By 1900, every former Confederate state (including Wyoming, Missouri, Ohio, Utah, Kentucky, Kansas and Oklahoma) had enacted “Jim Crow” laws prohibiting everything from interracial marriage to racially integrated public school systems. These state laws served to place blacks back on a virtual plantation. Similar to the “Black Codes” that came before them, Jim Crow laws were numerous. However, one denominator codified their sound support in Southern states: They all resulted from Democratic legislators of the “Solid South.”

                  http://humanevents.com/2011/07/10/de...y-created-him/



                  http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/index.html

                  My advice to the republican party would be to speak about the creation of the Republican Party, (created with the goal of abolishing slavery), and history of the Democrat party, (how they fought tooth and nail to secure slavery and even tried to retract anti-racist laws).

                  At every turn Republicans should be speaking about how the Democrat party is the party of slavery. Put out that label. Inform the Black community about how they, the Republican have alway fought for equality among races. Explain that as time progressed Republican continue to fight for equality meaning that blacks are equal and should be treated as such. With all the legal rights as white people have, but equal in the ability to succeed with the opportunity America offers. Equal respect for the intelligence, ability, and strength of the Black man. Equal in responsibility to society. Equal in EVERY way, shape, or form.

                  Republicans should be speaking about how the Democrats have tricked and manipulated black people to believe they, the party that fought for slavery against Republicans, are in fact the party that wants to help the Black people. They offered candy to the black people in order to steel their vote away from the party that fought for them. How now the Democrats have been highly successful in getting many black folks to turn their back on their friends, that fought, risked their lives, and died along side blacks to free their brothers.

                  Republicans should focus on challenging the black community to research the history, as most, if not all of what is true will be found on every site or in every history book. I'd question what have the Democrats done, to make the black community free and equal, and convince the Black folk to turn their backs on the very people that died for them. And why so many black people vote for the very people that died to keep slavery and segregation as law. Tell the people that the Democrats continue this practice by giving Black people almost just enough to survive and vote for them, yet cleverly portray their efforts to point out race as an asset to helping blacks out. A handicap is given, which insinuates that black people are handicapped. While Republicans insist that color is erased as the black humans are as equally capable as white humans.

                  Give more time to explaining abortion was endorsed to limit the black population. So much can be said. So much can be said about what Republicans have done FOR, the black community and what Democrats have done TO the black community. Keep, keep, keep, pointing it out. Don't even refer to the Democrat party by it's formal name, but refer to it as the party of slavery. ALL the time.

                  All this has been said here and there occasionally, but I'd pound on it with every speech, debate, and interview so any media coverage would HAVE to incorporate this information.
                  Uh, no. You were spot on with the history of the Democratic party and Jim Crow laws. Then you followed with an epic fail on why the GOP lost the black vote.

                  The GOP didn't lose the black vote in 1865, they lost the black vote after the 1929 crash and '32 bank failures. Inspiring a group to join the opposing political party, when that party was still the home of a segment that murdered members of your group? That takes some mighty inept inspiration. I gave you a giant hint on why the black vote went D, although there were incidents earlier in the 1920's that helped convince most black voters to go elsewhere. Try again.

                  Why is a trend that happened in a 20 year period, ending 1940, relevant today? Because the GOP hasn't corrected the failure that lost the black vote way back when.

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                  • Originally posted by SupPackFan View Post

                    The democrats will do anything to keep black America on the liberal plantation. It is a difficult battle to win when one side fights with facts and reasoning while the other plays on jealousy and anger. The democrats fight dirty - and their willing accomplices in academia, Hollywood, and the Washington press corp. give a helping hand every step of the way. Perfect example today. After several really good speeches laying out the vision of the republican party - here is what the media chooses to focus on: Did Laura Ingraham secretly signal to all of the Nazi's in Cleveland that Trump is with them. The assumption, of course, is that a bunch of republicans in that room are fans of the Final Solution. How, exactly, do you reason with people who actually believe crap like this? [ATTACH=CONFIG]n527785[/ATTACH]
                    I haven't heard that yet. I listened to her speech and it was so real, empowering, and delivered so eloquently. I was very impressed. Never for a moment thought they would have come up with something like this.

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                    • Originally posted by radcentr View Post

                      Uh, no. You were spot on with the history of the Democratic party and Jim Crow laws. Then you followed with an epic fail on why the GOP lost the black vote.

                      The GOP didn't lose the black vote in 1865, they lost the black vote after the 1929 crash and '32 bank failures. Inspiring a group to join the opposing political party, when that party was still the home of a segment that murdered members of your group? That takes some mighty inept inspiration. I gave you a giant hint on why the black vote went D, although there were incidents earlier in the 1920's that helped convince most black voters to go elsewhere. Try again.

                      Why is a trend that happened in a 20 year period, ending 1940, relevant today? Because the GOP hasn't corrected the failure that lost the black vote way back when.
                      That's a fair opinion, however, my opinion is that, (also based on fact), the Democrat party lies and manipulates, never delivers to the black community, and never INTENDS to deliver for the black community. And indeed are the party of white supremacy.

                      Republicans and Trump need to start speaking TO the black community instead of speaking about the black community. This is where I see a big difference in how Republicans and Democrats direct their speeches. This is another reason why the black community listens to Dems. because the Dems. are talking directly TO the black communities.

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                      • Of course the Dems can't deliver to the black community, when quality education isn't addressed, nor actual employment. Actual results are barely functioning public schools and public assistance independent of employment.

                        Since you didn't address the GOP failure, which persists even longer than the Dem failure, let's go there as well. The black vote to the GOP was lost by 1936, because that party insisted that Big Business was the main driver of employment and therefore the economy. That strategy was obviously a failure in 1936, and was in stark contrast to FDR's primitive welfare -public works programs. Rather than learn the lesson, the GOP veered away from Eisenhower's modification of FDR/Truman policies, going back to Coolidge's Big Business model. That worked for a well-educated employee in good economic times, when America was clearly dominant in world trade. If black voters realized they weren't going to enjoy consistently good public education, the GOP returned to Big Business as the Main Employer, and Big Business required a good education to advance employees. Then ...what? Black voters rightfully concluded the GOP was not interested in the black voter. Ike sent in federalized troops to enforce the first actions against Jim Crow, then did little else to improve public education for black children. Black voters got the message, opportunistic Dem politicians took advantage by attaching non-employment, politically dependent benefits, and here we are.

                        The GOP failure was internal: By 1960, it placed the condition of a disadvantaged group in the hands of a sector (big biz) that was not in control of correcting their condition (poor education, discrimination). Correction of public education is a political function, because adequate profit is not made on low income. Adequate profit is one of the critical functions of big business. As for racial discrimination as a social ill. Big business might see the cost benefit of minimizing discrimination, but it needs a legal framework to make it happen. It is easier when all their competition follows the same law, so customers and associates have no place to take their prejudice.

                        There are things that should be done by the private sector, and things that should be done by gov't.

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                        • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                          Of course the Dems can't deliver to the black community, when quality education isn't addressed, nor actual employment. Actual results are barely functioning public schools and public assistance independent of employment.

                          Since you didn't address the GOP failure, which persists even longer than the Dem failure, let's go there as well. The black vote to the GOP was lost by 1936, because that party insisted that Big Business was the main driver of employment and therefore the economy. That strategy was obviously a failure in 1936, and was in stark contrast to FDR's primitive welfare -public works programs. Rather than learn the lesson, the GOP veered away from Eisenhower's modification of FDR/Truman policies, going back to Coolidge's Big Business model. That worked for a well-educated employee in good economic times, when America was clearly dominant in world trade. If black voters realized they weren't going to enjoy consistently good public education, the GOP returned to Big Business as the Main Employer, and Big Business required a good education to advance employees. Then ...what? Black voters rightfully concluded the GOP was not interested in the black voter. Ike sent in federalized troops to enforce the first actions against Jim Crow, then did little else to improve public education for black children. Black voters got the message, opportunistic Dem politicians took advantage by attaching non-employment, politically dependent benefits, and here we are.

                          The GOP failure was internal: By 1960, it placed the condition of a disadvantaged group in the hands of a sector (big biz) that was not in control of correcting their condition (poor education, discrimination). Correction of public education is a political function, because adequate profit is not made on low income. Adequate profit is one of the critical functions of big business. As for racial discrimination as a social ill. Big business might see the cost benefit of minimizing discrimination, but it needs a legal framework to make it happen. It is easier when all their competition follows the same law, so customers and associates have no place to take their prejudice.

                          There are things that should be done by the private sector, and things that should be done by gov't.
                          You seem to blame the lack of a good education purely on government but totally ignore the reticence of the black community to take advantage of what is available. Government spends huge amounts of money on education but you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Until the black community values education, there is no hope for them. You can't force them to learn. And it has no bearing on party. GOP or Democrats.

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                          • As far as the black community not taking advantage of schools, sure, there are some families who don't try. If the school district they attend is just plain bad, no families will be able to take advantage, regardless of individual initiative.

                            The failure of gov't. for this issue was funding mainly by property values, rather than equal investment per student statewide. The other was failure to separate violent or otherwise dysfunctional kids from those with normal capacities to learn. Topping off the poor objectives, going for short term, "discount education" rather than long term success. Bad business practice, poor management of our education system, overall.

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                            • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                              As far as the black community not taking advantage of schools, sure, there are some families who don't try. If the school district they attend is just plain bad, no families will be able to take advantage, regardless of individual initiative.

                              The failure of gov't. for this issue was funding mainly by property values, rather than equal investment per student statewide. The other was failure to separate violent or otherwise dysfunctional kids from those with normal capacities to learn. Topping off the poor objectives, going for short term, "discount education" rather than long term success. Bad business practice, poor management of our education system, overall.
                              Well, you should look at the results in Texas. Since 1984 the state has been taking money from the wealthier school districts and sending it to the poorer districts in what is known as the Robin Hood law. It has made no difference in the performance of the poorer schools.

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                              • If they invested equally between students, went for long term results and segregate the dysfunctionals, I think they would get results. Failing to subsidize to an adequate level, instead they redistribute one fund (property tax?) between all students. That is lame, a variation of bad business practice in long term education objectives.

                                Now Texas can continue to piss away $30k on each prisoner, instead of bumping up -per student- to 20k. That is one measure: How many stay out of jail due to an adequate education and employment? Could be saving the state multiples of 10k per year. That's good business, good management of society in the bargain.

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