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  • #16
    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

    When people started ambushing policemen.
    That would be the entire time police existed OldmanDan, such a concept is totally unacceptable. You, everyone you love and care about, and every other resident of this country has no reason to expect a cop to shove a gun in their face because the cop is frightened.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post

      So being next to someone is a crime worthy of being shot in the US now?
      I wonder just what it would take for you to see a shooting as unlawful.

      Here's a video about the difference between US and UK police.
      Please note even when someone pretends to fire a rocket at the Houses of Parliament the police are still less aggressive than they are in the US to someone who simply walks up to a cop and cracks a joke.



      The ending with the Guy Fawkes guy is bloody hilarious as the police are still polite and British as hell and laughing.
      First I didn't hear anyone saying that this shooting wasn't unlawful. Just that their is no evidence that it is race related.

      And the video's: They were different kinds of confrontations, and the American police were very restrained and professional. As for the first video, the disrespectful little brat that took the attention of police officers away from their job, to antagonize them, insinuating all they do is eat donuts, while the police our out their with a dangerous sacrificing job to protect the community, while police are on high alert because their lives are being taken without reason, is out to cause problems. And to boot, the kid wouldn't go away and continued to try and escalate the situation. And thanks for showing how professional the American police were when the guy said he had a gun. I guess people in the UK don't know the difference between a joke, and harassment or pure idiocy.

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      • #18
        You think the video showed US police being respectful?
        They shoved a guy against a wall in an arm lock and handcuffed him for an obvious joke and the rest had zero tolerance for interacting with the public. The video clearly show the US police being surly and completely unwilling to act without a sense of power madness.
        It's almost like they expect to be able to treat all the public like scum and you see that as fine.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
          Article said there were 3 shots fired. Was he firing at the autistic man playing with his toy truck? Looks to me like we have a problem with the right people being cops.

          Trouble today, and its been like this for years, is that cops draw down on people much more often than they once did. Used to, pulling the gun out and pointing it at people was the last thing to do, not the first. Why would a cop pull a gun out, point it at an autistic man playing with a truck, or a man lying on the ground with his hands up in the air so as not to be shot? What's next? You get pulled over for speeding and the cops jump out and draw down on you, just in case you want to get in a gunfight with a cop?

          This cop isn't fit to police. Yet one wonders if he will be fired? Or just given a leave, and sent into another district to patrol? Perhaps we need to go back to the way police used to interact with the public? That is, you never draw down on someone unless the someone is pulling on you? Getting to where you cannot trust a cop with a gun. I think the problem is we have literally changed a civilian police force, into the military, and its not enemies the police are interacting with generally, but just citizens, americans.

          End the war on drugs, stop using cops as treasure hunters, and you would see less people killed by cops. But I guess owning another man's body is more important than saving lives. Drugs are not evil. The war on drugs is. A man using a drug is exercising a most basic freedom and right. And yet cops treat them, on behalf of the state, like serious criminals. Wonder when we evolve enough to end the insanity? I guess when the people who demand to own your body are no longer in any kind of power.

          If we are gonna have cops policing mentally ill people, housing them in jails instead of mental wards, and given the tremendous rate of autism today, something has got to change. I guess there was a reason we used to have a Commons, that housed and cared for the mentally ill? When Reagan worked on social security, to keep it afloat, he doubled tax paid in to SS. He then tried to find another way to reduce SS costs and cut down on the disability part , which sent mentally ill people to the streets. And we have had homeless people ever since. Just a couple years ago a group of cops unloaded on a mentally ill homeless man when he reached into his bag. This was the excuse needed to fill him full of lead from several guns. ;
          I saw this video the other day and was very upset. I have an autistic nephew that is now 23. A pretty big guy. I worry about his safety if ever in a situation where he were confronted for odd behavior. Not only would he not respond to an officer's request, when he is feeling unsettled, he swings his arm abruptly up and down, and makes clicking noises while stopping his hand periodically next to his face to stimulate his peripheral vision.

          So far I'm thinking the therapist did everything right and from what we know so far I believe the cop was too skittish to be a police officer and a really bad shot. If he was shooting to miss and alert them, he screwed up bad, and if he was trying to take one of them down, a shot in the leg with 2 other shots missing both of them certainly shows no target skills. If it is what I think it appears to be, the cop should be punished. First he should be fired from the police department because he is not qualified to do the job, then he should be prosecuted for gross negligence and endanger a life. Of course this is all on the assumption that the therapist is being honest or accurate in his opinion of the event. And this opinion is before we've learned about the officers previous behavior and reputation.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
            I asked that question earlier, why were there any police officers pointing a gun at anyone in that situation? When did the general public become the opposition to the police?
            I asked the question, but I am not ready to jump to the assumption that police are pulling their guns more often today. This is a department by department issue, and it would take a poll of actual trained police officers around the nation (at least, in the big cities across the nation) to get any real answers. Then, we have the question if police shootings are even up - or if the media attention is just more focused on them today.

            This reminds me of when the media went nuts about shark attacks in the summer of 2001. I remember the timing due to the stark contrast in content that took place that September. Like mind-numbed robots every news outlet jumped on these stories, quickly linking increased shark attacks to global warming. But we later found it was a manufactured story. The amount of shark attacks that summer had not risen at all, in fact, were below average.

            Of course I do not think you should shoot a man laying on the ground with his hands in the air. You should not shoot at an autistic man playing with a truck either. But with over one million officers employed across this nation it is likely that a few are undertrained, irresponsible, have poor eyesight, cannot control their anxiety, or are even racist. That is an issue for those individual departments to rectify. No level of incompetence is acceptable, however, in comparison to the amount of bad apples in the BLM movement - the police have an impeccable record.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by msc View Post

              I saw this video the other day and was very upset. I have an autistic nephew that is now 23. A pretty big guy. I worry about his safety if ever in a situation where he were confronted for odd behavior. Not only would he not respond to an officer's request, when he is feeling unsettled, he swings his arm abruptly up and down, and makes clicking noises while stopping his hand periodically next to his face to stimulate his peripheral vision.

              So far I'm thinking the therapist did everything right and from what we know so far I believe the cop was too skittish to be a police officer and a really bad shot. If he was shooting to miss and alert them, he screwed up bad, and if he was trying to take one of them down, a shot in the leg with 2 other shots missing both of them certainly shows no target skills. If it is what I think it appears to be, the cop should be punished. First he should be fired from the police department because he is not qualified to do the job, then he should be prosecuted for gross negligence and endanger a life. Of course this is all on the assumption that the therapist is being honest or accurate in his opinion of the event. And this opinion is before we've learned about the officers previous behavior and reputation.
              Neither of the people in the video were doing anything that should mean a cop has to draw a weapon.
              Would it really have killed the officer to simply walk up the them and just have a chat about the situation as I'm 100% sure that situation could have been solved with zero drama if he'd just had a normal conversation with the carer as being a carer I have a feeling he's not going to cause trouble as he's busy looking after his friend.

              I'm less bothered about what happens to this officer than I am that the police look at this and see that they should maybe take a long look at when they draw guns.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by msc View Post

                I saw this video the other day and was very upset. I have an autistic nephew that is now 23. A pretty big guy. I worry about his safety if ever in a situation where he were confronted for odd behavior. Not only would he not respond to an officer's request, when he is feeling unsettled, he swings his arm abruptly up and down, and makes clicking noises while stopping his hand periodically next to his face to stimulate his peripheral vision.

                So far I'm thinking the therapist did everything right and from what we know so far I believe the cop was too skittish to be a police officer and a really bad shot. If he was shooting to miss and alert them, he screwed up bad, and if he was trying to take one of them down, a shot in the leg with 2 other shots missing both of them certainly shows no target skills. If it is what I think it appears to be, the cop should be punished. First he should be fired from the police department because he is not qualified to do the job, then he should be prosecuted for gross negligence and endanger a life. Of course this is all on the assumption that the therapist is being honest or accurate in his opinion of the event. And this opinion is before we've learned about the officers previous behavior and reputation.
                You know, it is probably harder today to recruit cops. And because of this, perhaps their standards have been lowered, far too low? This would explain a lot, don't you think?

                We may get to the point, that we have to draft both our military and our police. But I have called for drafting police since day one here, and used to discuss it quite a bit. I still believe it should happen, and we may get to the point that we have to do it. Of course when we end the war on drugs, that will help out in finding good people to be our police. For we will need exponentially less police, and then we can spend our time and treasure in combatting real crime, and with lower numbers of cops, we can pay them a really good wage which would help out in the corruption inherit in police work.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                  You think the video showed US police being respectful?
                  They shoved a guy against a wall in an arm lock and handcuffed him for an obvious joke and the rest had zero tolerance for interacting with the public. The video clearly show the US police being surly and completely unwilling to act without a sense of power madness.
                  It's almost like they expect to be able to treat all the public like scum and you see that as fine.
                  Well, it is a fact that the way cops interact with the public has changed so much since I was a young feller. I mean, it is so noticeable. Why have we seen such a change? I have listed my reasons for this before, so no need to do it again. But a change has happened, and that is just a fact.

                  But let me mention an important thing as this will affect the change in police interaction. You see such a great change in the way the public interacts with cops as well. And that change is negative. Not with all people, but you see it particularly with blacks. Young blacks, and of all things, female blacks. That is my perception was watching hundreds of hours of police reality shows, like COPS. But you also get to see, if you are old like me and the oldman, how our police have changed so much as well.

                  I have gotten to the point, that when I see a good cop, I am more grateful that we still have such men serving. But I think the caliber of cops, generally have gone down. The ones I have interacted with, seem to have an ego problem, and a chip on their shoulder. And they seem to really get off on the power they exercise over citizens. Just like our corrupt politicians. Just like the kings and princes of monarchies. Just like evil dictators. There seems to be a commonality here amongst these groups. And we seem to have more today in police work than when I was younger. But then the entire nation is more selfish, less respectful more arrogant than it used to be, when we were taught by our parents, neighbors and school teachers that we were not more special than the next person. We teach the kids today that they are more special, and even better than others. And that you should let the world know how great you are, for you must love yourself first and foremost. LOL. Everyone else is not that important. We are a nation of "me first" me, me, me. We even have a political ideology that explicitly or implicitly expresses this. They also want to have everyone emulate the rich elites, which is bad advice for any society.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

                    Well, it is a fact that the way cops interact with the public has changed so much since I was a young feller. I mean, it is so noticeable. Why have we seen such a change? I have listed my reasons for this before, so no need to do it again. But a change has happened, and that is just a fact.

                    But let me mention an important thing as this will affect the change in police interaction. You see such a great change in the way the public interacts with cops as well. And that change is negative. Not with all people, but you see it particularly with blacks. Young blacks, and of all things, female blacks. That is my perception was watching hundreds of hours of police reality shows, like COPS. But you also get to see, if you are old like me and the oldman, how our police have changed so much as well.

                    I have gotten to the point, that when I see a good cop, I am more grateful that we still have such men serving. But I think the caliber of cops, generally have gone down. The ones I have interacted with, seem to have an ego problem, and a chip on their shoulder. And they seem to really get off on the power they exercise over citizens. Just like our corrupt politicians. Just like the kings and princes of monarchies. Just like evil dictators. There seems to be a commonality here amongst these groups. And we seem to have more today in police work than when I was younger. But then the entire nation is more selfish, less respectful more arrogant than it used to be, when we were taught by our parents, neighbors and school teachers that we were not more special than the next person. We teach the kids today that they are more special, and even better than others. And that you should let the world know how great you are, for you must love yourself first and foremost. LOL. Everyone else is not that important. We are a nation of "me first" me, me, me. We even have a political ideology that explicitly or implicitly expresses this. They also want to have everyone emulate the rich elites, which is bad advice for any society.
                    I can agree with most of what you say here. However, the first reason I see for rabid cops is the difficulty we have finding people who will do the job. It seems that some of those who gravitate to the job are not the best but it is becoming increasingly difficult to find anyone who will put their life on the line over the law. Along with that goes the screening process that would weed out the unfit. Just look around at the physical build of our police forces and it is not attractive. All that said, I still think there are far more great cops than bad ones. I go to church with a couple and they are wonderful people. I have never had a bad encounter with a police officer but I have always treated them with respect and got the same in return.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                      I can agree with most of what you say here. However, the first reason I see for rabid cops is the difficulty we have finding people who will do the job. It seems that some of those who gravitate to the job are not the best but it is becoming increasingly difficult to find anyone who will put their life on the line over the law. Along with that goes the screening process that would weed out the unfit. Just look around at the physical build of our police forces and it is not attractive. All that said, I still think there are far more great cops than bad ones. I go to church with a couple and they are wonderful people. I have never had a bad encounter with a police officer but I have always treated them with respect and got the same in return.
                      My dad was a cop. I know for sure that he was a racist and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that some of that carried over into his work.My wife worked at the hospital in our town. She said sometimes the cops would bring in some kid in handcuffs. The kid would beg her not to leave him alone with the cop because he was beating the crap out of him. That problem was fixed when we replaced that chief who was a drunk and I think he was responsible for the brutal culture on the force.

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                      • #26
                        Slaves still want the same thing, a "master" to take care of them all their lives. That master being big govt. & the democrat party.

                        The following was authored by a man of color. Just thought I'd mention that to save certain of us the effort of accusations of "racism" "bigotry" and all the rest of the tired old liberal crap they always offer.

                        Oh, do I hear a scream of "uncle tom" coming from off in the distance ? . . . I hope not.

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                        Maybe it is time for us to give up the slave culture. Praise our ancestors who suffered through it, become thankful for their sacrifices while in it and stiffen our backs in dedication to taking advantage of what they only hoped for. We owe it to those who feared even to think of the opportunities we now have.

                        The old culture of servicing must be replaced with a culture of thriving. It has to be us who accomplish this; it cannot be anyone else. It will not be achieved with programs, cliches, marches, protests, demonstrations or demands. And it cannot be achieved through kneeling down or burning down. Neither raised fists nor bowed heads will lift us up.

                        We need to accept full and complete responsibilities for the condition of our families. If it is not our fault, then we are still slaves. If our children are not protected by us, then they also are slaves.

                        Our food was designed for us, not by us. We should develop a culture of our own choosing and leave the culture master designed for us. What has it gotten us?

                        Black men are the strongest men on earth until they become old men. The slave master bred slaves to work hard, make babies and die early. Nobody wanted to feed a retired slave. Its OK to Leave the Plantation is a great book, but I did not write it hoping master will tell you its OK. Master will not appreciate your leaving the plantation.

                        There is no stronger person than a 19-year-old male. He dominates every physical activity he wants. From football to basketball, boxing, track and field and baseball. He is very competitive but at age 65 he has diabetes, high blood pressure and can hardly walk. Why?

                        The beauty of a young black woman is legendary. You can talk to any man on the planet about a woman having a black womans figure, and he would know exactly what you mean. But that is when she is young. When she gets older, her weight doubles, fatigue sets in, and by 30, she can hardly keep up with herself. Why?

                        This culture we are claiming is killing us because it was always meant to kill us. Master wanted strong, hardworking slaves, sexualized to breed their replacements, working themselves to death right at retirement. That way no one needed to feed a retired slave.

                        Today, we blacks are young, strong, highly sexually active and on average die right after retirement, just as it was planned centuries ago. But, it is no longer the plan. No one is instilling a sinister plot to harm black people. We have just failed to cast off or end the slave culture. We still feed our children the slave food, sexualize our youth and support slave training camps called public schools. We accept the rules laid out by the slave system. It is on us. Its going to be hard to change what momma taught us. There will be social rejection from the tribes when we do but FREEDOM requires it.

                        How did we end up begging to be treated better, seeking safe spaces, demanding separation from white people and shivering away from trigger words? If America wont give you 40 acres and a mule, buy one. If the police are too harsh, then elect another chief. Men should marry and protect women, women that will live for their husbands and children, and those children should be in a safe environment created by the parents.

                        It is up to us, only us no one else is capable. All it takes is courage to stand not in front of the crowd and not in front of the police station in protest. Just stand in front of the mirror.


                        http://www.wnd.com/2017/10/how-the-s...black-culture/

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                          Slaves still want the same thing, a "master" to take care of them all their lives. That master being big govt. & the democrat party.

                          The following was authored by a man of color. Just thought I'd mention that to save certain of us the effort of accusations of "racism" "bigotry" and all the rest of the tired old liberal crap they always offer.

                          Oh, do I hear a scream of "uncle tom" coming from off in the distance ? . . . I hope not.

                          ----------------------------------

                          Maybe it is time for us to give up the slave culture. Praise our ancestors who suffered through it, become thankful for their sacrifices while in it and stiffen our backs in dedication to taking advantage of what they only hoped for. We owe it to those who feared even to think of the opportunities we now have.

                          The old culture of servicing must be replaced with a culture of thriving. It has to be us who accomplish this; it cannot be anyone else. It will not be achieved with programs, cliches, marches, protests, demonstrations or demands. And it cannot be achieved through kneeling down or burning down. Neither raised fists nor bowed heads will lift us up.

                          We need to accept full and complete responsibilities for the condition of our families. If it is not our fault, then we are still slaves. If our children are not protected by us, then they also are slaves.

                          Our food was designed for us, not by us. We should develop a culture of our own choosing and leave the culture master designed for us. What has it gotten us?

                          Black men are the strongest men on earth until they become old men. The slave master bred slaves to work hard, make babies and die early. Nobody wanted to feed a retired slave. Its OK to Leave the Plantation is a great book, but I did not write it hoping master will tell you its OK. Master will not appreciate your leaving the plantation.

                          There is no stronger person than a 19-year-old male. He dominates every physical activity he wants. From football to basketball, boxing, track and field and baseball. He is very competitive but at age 65 he has diabetes, high blood pressure and can hardly walk. Why?

                          The beauty of a young black woman is legendary. You can talk to any man on the planet about a woman having a black womans figure, and he would know exactly what you mean. But that is when she is young. When she gets older, her weight doubles, fatigue sets in, and by 30, she can hardly keep up with herself. Why?

                          This culture we are claiming is killing us because it was always meant to kill us. Master wanted strong, hardworking slaves, sexualized to breed their replacements, working themselves to death right at retirement. That way no one needed to feed a retired slave.

                          Today, we blacks are young, strong, highly sexually active and on average die right after retirement, just as it was planned centuries ago. But, it is no longer the plan. No one is instilling a sinister plot to harm black people. We have just failed to cast off or end the slave culture. We still feed our children the slave food, sexualize our youth and support slave training camps called public schools. We accept the rules laid out by the slave system. It is on us. Its going to be hard to change what momma taught us. There will be social rejection from the tribes when we do but FREEDOM requires it.

                          How did we end up begging to be treated better, seeking safe spaces, demanding separation from white people and shivering away from trigger words? If America wont give you 40 acres and a mule, buy one. If the police are too harsh, then elect another chief. Men should marry and protect women, women that will live for their husbands and children, and those children should be in a safe environment created by the parents.

                          It is up to us, only us no one else is capable. All it takes is courage to stand not in front of the crowd and not in front of the police station in protest. Just stand in front of the mirror.


                          http://www.wnd.com/2017/10/how-the-s...black-culture/
                          Liberals are the modern equivalent of the old plantation owners. They use and abuse blacks electorally, and savagely attack them if they stray from the liberal plantation.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
                            Liberals are the modern equivalent of the old plantation owners. They use and abuse blacks electorally, and savagely attack them if they stray from the liberal plantation.
                            All while telling them that they're going to give them more "free stuff" at the expense of everybody else to keep them enslaved.

                            And by God it works well.

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