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  • #46
    As I said here;

    https://www.uspoliticsonline.com/for...100#post560100

    This is Satanic death worship out in the open.

    We're not going to like what the future brings if we do this.


    We have done it.

    Only fools aren't afraid of what's coming. . and it's coming.

    We have done away with;

    "..the right to life is the hallmark of a good society."

    because it causes us an inconvenience at times.

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    • #47
      I was going to express concern that an elected official, even a democrat who so consistently shows such contempt for others that he proclaims New Yorks new law as ...the evolution of humankind in America.

      But then i hear a decrepit, evil politician like Nancy Pelosi, obviously drunk with her new power, of all Christians, ...they pray to God on Sunday, then prey on human beings the rest of the week. Suddenly, a miscreant like Cuomo seems sedate.

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      • #48
        It is demonic and evil that democrats are selling America.

        Infanticide now "a womans right"

        Sickness

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        With these state abortion laws, were not talking about someone committing a heinous act and then begging a court for leniency; were witnessing a deliberative body making a conscious, premeditated decision to legalize murder. The radical abortionists who now hold sway in the Democratic Party are either paranoid about toxic males taking away womens freedom or part of a death cult because they refuse to cede even an inch of ground on abortion. From a biblical perspective, this seems nothing short of demonic.

        ...

        https://www.wnd.com/2019/01/abortion...lar-sacrament/

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        • #49

          Kill 'em at any age, it's an abortion and a womans right !

          It's all making sense now . . . .

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          A POST-BIRTH ABORTION ON MY ADULT FETUSES

          Exclusive: Patrice Lewis calls 'hater' on anyone judging her choice to terminate

          I have two daughters, ages 20 and 23. Lately Ive been feeling moody and feminist, so I think its time for a post-birth abortion to show my solidarity for womens reproductive rights.

          These young ladies are nothing but adult fetuses anyway, so its my right to snip their spinal cords, dismember their bodies and sell their organs to labs.

          After all, these fetuses came from my body, and legislators, most of whom are men, shouldnt be telling a woman what she should and shouldnt be doing with her body. Remember, this is solely a decision to be made by the mother and her provider, so butt out. Nothing to see here; move along.


          Of course, the logistics of post-birth aborting my girls might be a bit complicated. Theyre strong fetuses and would probably put up a fight. Maybe it would be better to put them in a room where theyll be allowed to die comfortably.

          You might scoff at my desire to eliminate two adult fetuses, but who are you to tell me what to do with my own genetic output? How dare you suggest these fetuses are independent, living human beings with a right to life? You hater. Hater!

          Dont forget, these fetuses are nothing but collections of cells. Sure, those cells created pretty eyes and nice hair. Those cells created good minds and wonderful personalities. Those cells created a lot of things, except souls. God doesnt exist, therefore souls are a fantasy. My children are soulless globs of cells; thats all they are. And since Im the mother, I get to decide whether they live or die.

          But wait you claim my girls are now adults and I cant kill them? Who says? Why not? At what age does it stop being acceptable to terminate them? At what age do they transition from clusters of unwanted cells to independent persons? Whats the cutoff date? Ten years old? Five years old? One year old? One day old? To borrow Hillarys famous phrase, what difference does it make when it happens? Im feeling moody and feminist, and I want to show my solidarity for womens reproductive rights, so butt out. Hater.

          Im grateful for the support of radical liberal feminists who agree with me that fetuses should live or die at the whim of the mother.

          Im grateful for essays such as those found in the Journal of Medical Ethics, which argues that babies dont have the same moral status as actual persons, so after-birth abortions (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled. (OK, my adult fetuses are a bit older than newborns, but I wont tell if you wont.) After all, infanticide is just at one extreme in a spectrum of parental care. Eliminating older children merely represents the darker side of maternal love. And if you argue with my reproductive choices, then youre just a misogynist and part of the patriarchal oppression. You hater. Hater!

          There is certainly no reason for me to feel the slightest bit of guilt or regret about my decision to eliminate these fetuses.

          After all, abortion is all part of Gods plan, and women who support abortion are really pro-life. In the immortal and highly logical words of Amelia Bonow, cofounder of #ShoutYourAbortion, I feel like if I am forced to create life, I have lost the right to my own life. Abortion is normal. See? Pro-life. (Mine, that is.)

          Im so happy feminists are now setting the standard for morality in todays society.

          No one can argue with my choices.

          Besides, abortions are no big deal, no worse than a tonsillectomy.

          And if you try to shove statistics in my face stuff like surveys of post-abortive women, which found that 28 percent attempted suicide, 31 percent experienced suicidal feelings, 60 percent commented that the decision to abort made their lives worse, and 94 percent regretted the decision to abort I wont believe you. Ill put my fingers in my ears and shout La la la la la, I cant heeeeear you! until you go away. Ill do the same thing if you try to claim theres an abortion/breast cancer link. Youre just part of the male patriarchy and trying to oppress me. You hater. Hater!


          The wonderful thing is I dont even have to pay for my post-birth abortions. You, the taxpayer, are being forced to fund these reproductive choices. Its critical that we feminists continue to pioneer new horizons and chart unknown territory in the fight for womens reproductive rights! Taxpayer-funded post-birth abortions should be allowed at any age!


          Im supported in my decision to do a post-birth abortion on my adult fetuses by those who find the same joy in abortions as they do in childbirth. Since Ive already experienced the joy of childbirth, I get to double my joy by aborting my adult fetuses. The joy just keeps spreading! Joy joy joy! Hurray for woman power!

          Why do I want to abort my adult fetuses, you may ask? Its all for health reasons, of course. These kids have cost me plenty of strain on my body, my time, my energy and my life. For my mental health, its time to get rid of them.

          Im pleased to know Ill never regret this decision. When Im an old woman, I wont have to worry about family visits cluttering up my time. I wont have to worry about grandchildren messing up the house. I wont have to worry about anyone visiting me in a nursing home and holding my hand when Im facing the end. Hurray for freedom!

          So Im all set to conduct a post-birth abortion on my kids. As much as I object to the male patriarchy, however, I may have to enlist the assistance of a couple of strong men to hold my girls down while the deed is done, lest they struggle too much or even get away. But thats OK. Theres enough joy to go around as these abortions are performed. I cant imagine anyone who doesnt want to share in that joy.

          Except, perhaps, my kids. Selfish brats.


          https://www.wnd.com/2019/02/a-post-b...adult-fetuses/

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          • #50

            Openly Satanic.

            Democrats.

            Is this what America wants ????????????

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            Planned Parenthood now says it does not matter that it's a baby.

            A mother has a moral right to abort her baby for any reason she deems necessary before or after birth. Here is a link to a brief video of an abortion doctor explaining to Congress, in graphic detail, the procedure he used to perform second-trimester D&E abortions. Anyone not extremely disturbed by this video is spiritually ill.

            Democrats desiring to murder born alive babies is a whole new level of satanic evil.

            Speaking of Democrats rising to new levels of evil, Democrats are pushing to legalize pedophilia.

            Tom Delay exposed an Obama DOJ secret memo that included pedophilia on a list of 12 perversions it planned to legalize.

            Big Mouth on Netflix is an insidiously evil animated cartoon to sexualize teens going through puberty. The show features boys and girls masturbating and talking to their genitalia. One scene has a boy's father telling him it is okay to kiss another man's penis. Despite public outrage over the show's pedophilia, Netflix has signed on for season three of Big Mouth.


            A film on Netflix titled Desire features play between two girls under ten years old that becomes sexual. Again, public outrage availed nothing.

            Leftists (Democrats) claim that pedophilia is a sexual orientation that society should accept. They will argue that opposing pedophilia is bigotry. They plan to keep forcing pedophilia upon us until we become desensitized or give up pushing back against it. Their narrative is that ped
            ophilia is simply another form of love. Who can argue against love? How many Christians will be deceived into embracing pedophilia, believing that it is what Jesus would do?


            ........


            https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...for_trump.html

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
              Openly Satanic.

              Democrats.

              Is this what America wants ????????????

              ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

              Planned Parenthood now says it does not matter that it's a baby.

              A mother has a moral right to abort her baby for any reason she deems necessary before or after birth. Here is a link to a brief video of an abortion doctor explaining to Congress, in graphic detail, the procedure he used to perform second-trimester D&E abortions. Anyone not extremely disturbed by this video is spiritually ill.

              Democrats desiring to murder born alive babies is a whole new level of satanic evil.

              Speaking of Democrats rising to new levels of evil, Democrats are pushing to legalize pedophilia.

              Tom Delay exposed an Obama DOJ secret memo that included pedophilia on a list of 12 perversions it planned to legalize.

              Big Mouth on Netflix is an insidiously evil animated cartoon to sexualize teens going through puberty. The show features boys and girls masturbating and talking to their genitalia. One scene has a boy's father telling him it is okay to kiss another man's penis. Despite public outrage over the show's pedophilia, Netflix has signed on for season three of Big Mouth.


              A film on Netflix titled Desire features play between two girls under ten years old that becomes sexual. Again, public outrage availed nothing.

              Leftists (Democrats) claim that pedophilia is a sexual orientation that society should accept. They will argue that opposing pedophilia is bigotry. They plan to keep forcing pedophilia upon us until we become desensitized or give up pushing back against it. Their narrative is that ped
              ophilia is simply another form of love. Who can argue against love? How many Christians will be deceived into embracing pedophilia, believing that it is what Jesus would do?


              ........


              https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...for_trump.html
              According to NY state law a woman can only have a late term abortion when the baby is no longer viable so that woman doesn't have to carry a dead baby to term or in cases where the woman's life is at risk. In my opinion you should be able to abort if the head is starting to come out and you see that the baby has red hair.My mother had red hair and the first thing she would ask when I called to tell her of the latest birth "Does she have red hair?" My brother had all the red heads.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by redrover View Post
                According to NY state law a woman can only have a late term abortion when the baby is no longer viable so that woman doesn't have to carry a dead baby to term or in cases where the woman's life is at risk. In my opinion you should be able to abort if the head is starting to come out and you see that the baby has red hair.My mother had red hair and the first thing she would ask when I called to tell her of the latest birth "Does she have red hair?" My brother had all the red heads.
                Everyday, fulfilling the goal of posting the dumbest things. Way to go rover.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by redrover View Post

                  According to NY state law a woman can only have a late term abortion when the baby is no longer viable so that woman doesn't have to carry a dead baby to term or in cases where the woman's life is at risk. In my opinion you should be able to abort if the head is starting to come out and you see that the baby has red hair.My mother had red hair and the first thing she would ask when I called to tell her of the latest birth "Does she have red hair?" My brother had all the red heads.
                  Not only is this the most idiotic suggestion on a par with the Virginia governors contemptible comment, but your fantasy about the new New York Law is just wrong.

                  do yourself a favor: Actually read the New York legislation before you make any more comments and make yourself look even more foolish (as hard to imagine as that is).
                  Last edited by DavidSF; 02-10-2019, 09:30 AM.

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                  • #54

                    Is infanticide, the killing of infants... are it's days numbered ?

                    A "womans right" to kill... I don't see HOW it can last ?

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                    Planned Parenthood demands that womens rights include mothers killing their babies for whatever reason they deem necessary before or after birth.

                    Here is a link to a brief video of an abortion doctor explaining to Congress, in graphic detail, the procedure he used to perform second trimester D&E abortions. Anyone not extremely disturbed by this video is spiritually ill.

                    Every time I lament that my fellow blacks insanely support Planned Parenthood, which targets black babies to kill, I'm flooded with emails from whites. Lloyd, let blacks know Planned Parenthood was founded by rabid racist Margaret Sanger to exterminate blacks. Frustrated, I yell at my computer. I've been telling blacks the truth about Sanger and Planned Parenthood for years to no avail!

                    Unbelievably, over 20 black religious leaders gathered to ceremonially bless a new Planned Parenthood abortion chop-shop in Washington, D.C. These supposed black shepherds are participating in the genocide of their own flocks.

                    To stop the black-on-black genocide via abortion, Godly black ministers put up a billboard. The most dangerous place for an African-American is in the womb. Guess who had a cow and demanded that the billboard be removed? The answer is Rev. Al Sharpton, black civil rights organizations, and Democrats.

                    Black civil rights leaders have betrayed their people and the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Liberalism continues to devastate the lives of black Americans. And yet, black leaders keep preaching the destructive, evil religion of liberalism to their people.

                    I was blown away that the majority of the estimated 300,000 who attended the 46th Annual March for Life were teens, pre-teens, and millennials. It was heartwarming and encouraging to see so many young people overflowing with compassion for the unborn. They were extremely excited, upbeat, and joyful about celebrating and defending babies. Many carried signs, I am the pro-life generation.

                    More pro-life than their parents, over 50% of millennials believe abortion should be illegal in all or most situations.


                    .................


                    https://www.americanthinker.com/arti..._numbered.html

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                    • #55
                      Only fools and the deluded believe otherwise.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by DavidSF View Post
                        Only fools and the deluded believe otherwise.
                        Why ??

                        Women will march !

                        Women will chant !

                        Women will demand that they have a "constitutional right" to murder their offspring !! ... they grew them in their womb after-all, IT'S THEIR RIGHT isn't IT ???

                        That's what we're going to hear from these imbeciles, watch.

                        They'll say these things in different ways ... selling evil is tricky business, but they're going to sell it, or TRY to again !!

                        Killing infants is so important to them (and Satan), THEY'LL RAISE HOLY HELL BEFORE GIVING IT UP !!

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                          Since we now like to argue about the meanings of words to support insane concepts ei "gay marriage" "trans" gender etc etc couldn't this fellow say he was just performing a late term abortion ? A very necessary one even ! What kind of life would this poor innocent have been subjected too had it been allowed to live ?

                          The supreme court already redefined a form of murder into "something else" for us. Something many of us have been hypnotized into accepting as "good" and a "right," even a "choice."

                          We should see this for what it really is, just a not yet accepted form of abortion. An extreme, late term abortion, but AN ABORTION.

                          Yes ?

                          No ?

                          Why why not ?

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                          DAD MURDERS INFANT GIRL WITH 22 PUNCHES
                          4-month-old killed to silence 'baby talk'

                          A Minneapolis man is now charged with murder [murder ? really ?] in the death of his 4-month old daughter at their Prospect Park home. Cory Morris, 21, is charged with second-degree murder for allegedly punching the baby girl in her face and chest to quiet her “baby talk.”

                          According to the charges, Morris called police shortly before 5 p.m. on Saturday, Aug. 13 and admitted he had just killed his daughter
                          [ people kill their offspring every day, this is 'in the news' WHY ?]. When police arrived, they found the 4-month-old unconscious on a changing table.

                          Morris, who was alone watching the child at the time of the incident, told first responders he punched the child approximately 15 times in the face and 7 times in the chest with a closed fist, then squeezed her chest with his hands in an attempt to quiet her. The Hennepin County medical examiner confirmed the baby died from blunt force trauma.


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                          http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/dad-murde...s/?cat_orig=us
                          Well, since I do believe words have meaning, I would suggest that generally speaking "murder" is a legal term. If it isn't against the law, it isn't "murder". That does not mean it is moral, just, or acceptable.

                          That said, what would be the right (or optimal) term for what we are discussing...killing works, it is the killing of a baby, or even slaughter for various methods of abortion.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by DavidSF View Post
                            Clarification: As I said, in my perfect world, no child would be killed or unwanted. I have not accepted a restriction to abortion. I have placed those two issues (rape and life of the mother) on a back burner to avoid the incessant desire of pro-abortionists to drag the discussion over there. They have to: They cannot logically and factually respond to the observation that an in-uterus child is both living and human.

                            Next, I carefully worded my dictum that having sex is not a Biological mandate to stipulate however compelling and desired it is, we always have a choice. I understand religious (albeit, Old Testament) instructions. That was not the point I was making. My obviously feeble attempt was to show a womans (well, and also a mans) choice occurs prior to conception, not after.

                            i am also unwilling to get mired in the swamp of what does a mothers life is at risk mean? It is emotionally manipulative to drag the life of the mother and rape into this argument and, IMO, to eradicate abortion completely, yes, it will have to be dealt with sooner or later, so I choose later.

                            finally, I have now seen twice that your suggestion seems to stipulate that Roe v Wade will be overturned. I dont see it. I definitely see some restrictions like banning partial birth abortions, but outright overturn, no ... cant see it.
                            I actually distinguish between the issues of rape/incest and life or physical well being of the mother.

                            Even as someone who believes that abortion is generally wrong (I am pretty agnostic on it up to the moment where the zygote is no longer capable of splitting into twins, but after that it is a human being, albeit at an early stage of development), However, in the case of the physical well being of the mother (PHYSICAL, not emotional or psychological), I do recognize the need to balance two competing rights/liberties. If the continuation of the pregnancy presents an ongoing and realistic threat to the life (meaning not the hypothetical chance that some could always happen unanticipated, but an actual, diagnosed imminent risk) or the long-term well being of the mother, than I am ok with the premature termination of the pregnancy. Termination of the pregnancy, not abortion. What is the difference? Abortion has as its goal not merely the termination of the pregnancy, but the termination of the life being aborted. Premature termination, on the other hand would take all steps to preserve the life and viability of the baby, without undue increase in risk to the mother. The most morally clear example of this is partial birth abortion (PBA). There is a lot of obfuscation over the distinction between premature termination of a pregnancy and abortion in the discourse over PBAs. Opponents and medical professionals have (correctly) asserted that PBAs are NEVER medically necessary. That is because there is never medically a case where it would make a difference vis-a-vis the life or physical well being of the mother to simply complete the delivery (premature termination, that results in a LIVE birth) and stopping the deliver long enough to kill the child and make sure that it is not alive when it exists the mother's body entirely (a legal distinction, not any honest moral or ethical one).

                            I have no problem taking on the rape/incest exception crowd. In fact, I find them to be more morally obsequious than those who believe that abortion is not inherently wrong. If you believe that it is fundamentally wrong because the baby is a human life with rights, why would the manner of conception change that basic fact such that it could result in denial of life to that human being. In fact my distinguishing between the PHYSICAL and emotional/psychological well being of the mother in terms of justifying premature termination (rather than abortion) addresses that very issue.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                              I don't think Roe Vs Wade will ever be overturned. I doubt it needs to be.

                              I don't think birth control will ever be restricted or taken off the market.

                              I can only theorize what might happen. My hope is that people realize that actions and behaviors have consequences.

                              That's a far reaching hope I know. Human stupidity has always been nearly infinite.

                              ... still, things do change. Nothing surprises me anymore.
                              Let's not forget, if Roe were overturned tomorrow, abortion would still be legal in most of the country in most instances (I suspect late-term abortions would be banned in most states fairly quickly). When we talk of overturning Roe, we should ALWAYS make it clear that this does not make abortion illegal...it merely returns the issues to each of the states, the people of each would decide what the law should be through their elected state representatives. When polled on that specifically (letting each state decide for itself whether abortion should be legal or not) the overwhelming majority of people approve of that (not realizing that this is what overturning Roe does).

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
                                Let's not forget, if Roe were overturned tomorrow, abortion would still be legal in most of the country in most instances (I suspect late-term abortions would be banned in most states fairly quickly).

                                When we talk of overturning Roe, we should ALWAYS make it clear that this does not make abortion illegal...it merely returns the issues to each of the states, the people of each would decide what the law should be through their elected state representatives. When polled on that specifically (letting each state decide for itself whether abortion should be legal or not) the overwhelming majority of people approve of that (not realizing that this is what overturning Roe does).
                                Yet massive ignorance, promoted by big mouths who can only function on ignorance, leads too many people to believe that overturning rvw would make "abortion" illegal.

                                It's very strange how crazy the left is about this issue. It's like their Idol, or the God that they worship.

                                Watch their behavior, listen to their words, read their writings, these people are as passionate as any hard core religious believer or worse !

                                Which is why I often point out the religious aspect of past cultures who sacrificed infants and babies to "Gods" of old.

                                Many pro-abortion people are as over the top passionate about this issue, where human babies are slaughtered, as were those who sacrificed human babies and infants to please a "God."

                                Their religious-like passion for this issue, exposes a dangerous radicalism that should bother us all.

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