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  • #31
    Originally posted by msc View Post

    If you want to use that asinine analogy, A fetus is at their natural lawful residence. A squatter is not.

    And NO, if a squatter is in your house, you DON'T have the moral or legal right to shoot that person if you don't believe you are in physical danger. Sure, I think it's just fine to threaten with a firearm and hope the squatter believes you'd actually shoot him, and runs out, but no, NO justification for actually harming their person. Boom. Your deplorable analogy holds no water.
    You thInk a pregnancy that is the result of rape is lawful? That is a pretty warped and depolorable worldview right there.

    Now you tell me you think people have no right to use force to defend their homes, health,and liberty ...that's rich, what other lies are you going to tellus?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

      You thInk a pregnancy that is the result of rape is lawful? That is a pretty warped and depolorable worldview right there.

      Now you tell me you think people have no right to use force to defend their homes, health,and liberty ...that's rich, what other lies are you going to tellus?
      Where did you say you lived, because where I live, you don't have the right to shoot a trespasser. And morally, I don't believe killing is an option unless death or torture will be bestowed on you otherwise.

      Yep, someone evil commits a crime and leaves a child behind. The child is not at fault. In the case of a rape, it would be in a uterus.

      So what do you want to do. Kill little children if the parent leaves them behind after committing a crime? That's a pretty sick idea.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

        You thInk a pregnancy that is the result of rape is lawful? That is a pretty warped and depolorable worldview right there.

        Now you tell me you think people have no right to use force to defend their homes, health,and liberty ...that's rich, what other lies are you going to tellus?
        The act that caused the pregnancy may be unlawful. The pregnancy is not unlawful, there is no such thing as a lawful or unlawful pregnancy.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

          The act that caused the pregnancy may be unlawful. The pregnancy is not unlawful, there is no such thing as a lawful or unlawful pregnancy.
          Rape isn't unlawful? You are beyond the pale.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

            Rape isn't unlawful? You are beyond the pale.
            Yes, rape is unlawful and heinous. Pregnancy, on the other hand is not unlawful. Robbery is unlawful, that doesn't make money unlawful. There is no such thing as an unlawful pregnancy.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

              Rape isn't unlawful? You are beyond the pale.
              Yes, A rape is unlawful. I think you're aware that no one here thinks or is saying rape is okay. You can attempt to put words together and twists what's being said, just like the MSM, but you know better.

              Why do you refuse to consider the child? You only discuss, one life in trauma. We've all discussed and agreed that the mother is in a life altering position and emotional trauma. What about the child. Can you tell us what you think the child goes through or doesn't go through, that makes you believe aborting it is causing no harm? What causes you to think that the little human should not even be considered? Did you think everything through, or did you just join a side by listening only to the abortion rights promotion?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by msc View Post

                Why do you refuse to consider the child? You only discuss, one life in trauma. We've all discussed and agreed that the mother is in a life altering position and emotional trauma. What about the child. Can you tell us what you think the child goes through or doesn't go through, that makes you believe aborting it is causing no harm? What causes you to think that the little human should not even be considered? Did you think everything through, or did you just join a side by listening only to the abortion rights promotion?
                I know your reading comprehension is poor as I've explained my point very clearly. Your really think continuing to argue is going to draw me ou tand "trick" me? Abortionn is a horrible choice but it should remain accessable and legal as there is no social benefit to reinstating criminality to the hopeless and desperate in this situation?.

                You make claims of sympathy and empathy but clrearly you think a woman or girl loses the right to make choices after semen has been pumped into her regardless of the source or situation.


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                • #38
                  Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

                  I know your reading comprehension is poor as I've explained my point very clearly. Your really think continuing to argue is going to draw me ou tand "trick" me? Abortionn is a horrible choice but it should remain accessable and legal as there is no social benefit to reinstating criminality to the hopeless and desperate in this situation?.

                  You make claims of sympathy and empathy but clrearly you think a woman or girl loses the right to make choices after semen has been pumped into her regardless of the source or situation.

                  There are lots of choices that do not involve killing the baby.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                    There are lots of choices that do not involve killing the baby.
                    You are right. That fetus isn't a baby under the law. Not every state even has a law that says killing a fetus under any circumstances is a crime. Malice of forethought is a requirement in others, a legal medical practice doesn't qualify as malice of forethought. But we all know you advocates for "small government" want to limit State rights this time.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

                      I know your reading comprehension is poor as I've explained my point very clearly. Your really think continuing to argue is going to draw me ou tand "trick" me? Abortionn is a horrible choice but it should remain accessable and legal as there is no social benefit to reinstating criminality to the hopeless and desperate in this situation?.

                      You make claims of sympathy and empathy but clrearly you think a woman or girl loses the right to make choices after semen has been pumped into her regardless of the source or situation.

                      Talk about reading comprehension. I explained pretty clearly that a women has the right to make choices regarding her own body, but has no right to involve other people in her choices, especially when it involves murder. If taking murder off the table limits her choices, it's no different than anyone who doesn't have that choice . Hiring a hit man is a choice that is off the table to solve ANY other problem.

                      And you indirectly answered the question about your support of abortion. By your response you have said that you refuse to consider the life of the innocent child. Won't even think about what the child is going through, and their human rights. Again you will only discuss the position of the woman. It is not a well thought out decision. You simply took the easiest route, took a side, and left the thought process up to others.

                      If you view forcing the explanation of your rational, reasonable, logical, humane, and compassionate, thought process that makes you come to this conclusion, as "tricking" you, it infers that you could only be "tricked" into thinking about the innocent life. Tricked into challenging yourself to consider anyone but the mother. Why would you not want to understand and explain your thought process if it is sincere and humane. I sincerely explained how I came to my conclusion. I explained how I thought of both parties involved. I didn't need to be tricked into examining every aspect possible and imposing the responsibility upon myself of taking on the struggle to calculate all pain and trauma to be considered when making my decision. I'm asking no more of you than I ask of myself.

                      Tell us, as I have told you, how you processed ALL the information and still came to the conclusion that a woman should be entitled to assistance in taking the life of an innocent, indefensible, little child. Can you explain how you emotionally justify the pain and torture the little human will endure to exterminate his/her life.

                      You say abortion is a horrible choice. You words. So you must know that something bad is going on. What is so bad that makes the choice so horrible?

                      Last edited by msc; 10-26-2016, 05:41 AM.

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                      • #41
                        It's it killing there is no denying that, it isn't murder as the fetus isn't a person under the law just yet. I think soldiers having to kill other soldiers is horrible as well, I don't think that makes them murderers. Just like I don't think potentially lethal force agaisnt a trespasser that refuses to leave in an orderly and timely fashion is murder.

                        In your universe the results of the actions of a rapist, fraud, or abuser has higher priority over everyone else in the world as long as they are able to inseminate a woman or girl and that's outrageous and appalling. After they've been abused you would have them abused further by the state and the law of the land becasue they were a victim.

                        Would you deport a baby in the arms of a Syrian refugee? Of course you would, you have no respect for innocent life you just want to advance an agenda of control over others by using threat of government force against people.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                          It's it killing there is no denying that, it isn't murder as the fetus isn't a person under the law just yet. I think soldiers having to kill other soldiers is horrible as well, I don't think that makes them murderers. Just like I don't think potentially lethal force agaisnt a trespasser that refuses to leave in an orderly and timely fashion is murder.

                          In your universe the results of the actions of a rapist, fraud, or abuser has higher priority over everyone else in the world as long as they are able to inseminate a woman or girl and that's outrageous and appalling. After they've been abused you would have them abused further by the state and the law of the land becasue they were a victim.

                          Would you deport a baby in the arms of a Syrian refugee? Of course you would, you have no respect for innocent life you just want to advance an agenda of control over others by using threat of government force against people.
                          You have adopted the liberal clap trap that a human fetus is somehow not a human being.
                          human being

                          noun

                          1. any individual of the genus Homo, especially a member of the speciesHomo sapiens.

                          2. a person, especially as distinguished from other animals or as representing the human species:

                          As I see it, a human embryo meets both of these definitions.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                            It's it killing there is no denying that, it isn't murder as the fetus isn't a person under the law just yet. I think soldiers having to kill other soldiers is horrible as well, I don't think that makes them murderers. Just like I don't think potentially lethal force agaisnt a trespasser that refuses to leave in an orderly and timely fashion is murder.

                            In your universe the results of the actions of a rapist, fraud, or abuser has higher priority over everyone else in the world as long as they are able to inseminate a woman or girl and that's outrageous and appalling. After they've been abused you would have them abused further by the state and the law of the land becasue they were a victim.

                            Would you deport a baby in the arms of a Syrian refugee? Of course you would, you have no respect for innocent life you just want to advance an agenda of control over others by using threat of government force against people.
                            1. Saying that I would deport a baby in the arms of Syrian refugee is an outright lie. You, just as the MSM does, have presented an opinion as a fact. An opinion that has been derived out of the air. I never said I would do that. I never inferred that I would do that. I've never shown support for that to be done. You made it up.

                            2. I think killing a trespasser is murder unless you believe your person is threatened.

                            3. I have no concern for the rapist, but I have no less respect for the child fetus of a rapist than I have for the delivered child of a rapist.

                            4. I would not have the state and the law take action to abuse a rape victim. But the law does already support it. Ex: Hillary had the legal right to abuse a 12 year old rape victim, and in a court of law. The state takes a stance that a rape victim can be abused by an attorney, but can not by an innocent child. So there is no consistency for the state to be charged with abuse of a rape victim when the law of killing innocent human life outside your own body is upheld, because the state does give a license to take action on abusing a rape victim in other circumstances.

                            But the legal right, (Attorney), to abuse a rape victim, is taking action to abuse. Not assisting a rape victim in a specific way, is not, taking action to abuse.

                            Another legal inconsistency is that people who kill pregnant women have been charged with 2 counts of murder and convicted for killing 2 people. So if a child fetus is wanted, it is a person, but if it's not wanted, it's not? Can you make sense out of that? Scientific and legal sense.
                            Last edited by msc; 10-27-2016, 04:15 AM.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                              You are right. That fetus isn't a baby under the law. Not every state even has a law that says killing a fetus under any circumstances is a crime. Malice of forethought is a requirement in others, a legal medical practice doesn't qualify as malice of forethought. But we all know you advocates for "small government" want to limit State rights this time.
                              It's always about no more than our egos and the games we like to play with words to make us feel good about ourselves in this dance with evil we like to play.

                              Of course this itself will be laughed off .. . ."... why, we know better, we're good people !!!"

                              ... we justify anything - everything we do as rational & good LOL

                              "The law" helps us do this.

                              We see today that "the law" does not apply equally to everyone. We justify so many forms of evil & foolishness with "the law."

                              Who should have respect for, and should feel motivated to honor "the law" ?

                              ... those few it favors and those few who favor it. Law ? What law ?

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                              • #45
                                When did abortion become illegal in our history, and when did it become legal? How is it that it was illegal and then legal? Why was it illegal, and what took place that made a fetus no longer a human life to be protected? Was it just the argument that the unborn had no rights under our laws until it was spurt out of the woman? And why did it have rights before, when it was illegal? Or was it simply that people knew it was a human life at one time and then someone said it was not and then the murdering began?

                                We all know that Planned Parenthood was founded by a racist who wanted to get rid of black babies to keep their population down. So not to be over run with black people who some people used to see as chimps that could dance and talk. And didn't want too many animals running around. I think this was back when some also thought we should get rid of the mentally retarded too, and Hilter liked the idea once he read about what americans were talking about.

                                This abortion idea sounds to me like it goes with the idea of getting rid of any human being being a drag on society, a leech, and what is a bigger leech than the unborn? Contributing nothing, can't pick cotton or cut your grass, nor do your cooking and housework. But how to do that when a part of society saw it as murder. Oh, you could say it was the right of the mother to do what she wanted to her baby for she owned her body. Just do not try to use illegal drugs though, for in that case you did not own your body at all, the State does. But we live with the illogic of this, the incoherence and never question it. For someone might get a woman pregnant, and he is already married, and he might need to get rid of the evidence. Probably a few in the USSC when the law was changed.

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