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  • #91
    ,Abortion becomes more common, crime goes down. Maybe just dumb luck, maybe a result of less unwanted and needy children. I'd rather it was choice than the heartless policy of the state.

    There have been over 50 million abortions in this country since 1970. If by some quirk of fate all of them would have been born and survived to adulthood what do you imagine this country would look like? 50 million more people, their children, and even grandchildren all needing somewhere to live and food to eat.
    Last edited by JDJarvis; 03-17-2017, 06:10 AM.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
      ,Abortion becomes more common, crime goes down. Maybe just dumb luck, maybe a result of less unwanted and needy children. I'd rather it was choice than the heartless policy of the state.

      There have been over 50 million abortions in this country since 1970. If by some quirk of fate all of them would have been born and survived to adulthood what do you imagine this country would look like? 50 million more people, their children, and even grandchildren all needing somewhere to live and food to eat.
      They'd be building homes and growing food and countless other tasks, just like their brethren allowed to survive gestation.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Commodore View Post

        They'd be building homes and growing food and countless other tasks, just like their brethren allowed to survive gestation.
        They'd be needing homes, they'd be needing jobs, they'd be needing food, they'd be needing healhcare. The country can't seeem to afford to provide for those here now, it would't be happening with 50-100 million more people. Crime would be worse, poverty wouuld be worse... but maybe the half-assed greed based policies of the "conservatives" would be proven to be as much nonsesne as it really is with the burden of having to deal with a population that couln't afford to sit and listen to the lies.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
          They'd be needing homes, they'd be needing jobs, they'd be needing food, they'd be needing healhcare. The country can't seeem to afford to provide for those here now, it would't be happening with 50-100 million more people. Crime would be worse, poverty wouuld be worse... but maybe the half-assed greed based policies of the "conservatives" would be proven to be as much nonsesne as it really is with the burden of having to deal with a population that couln't afford to sit and listen to the lies.
          And that's why we want to have open borders and not enforce our immigration laws correct ?

          Because we can't even provide for "those here now." So we should allow even more to come in - neverminding the "illegal" aspect.....

          ... yes, this makes perfect sense . . . if we're trying to replace those aborted with other people - which is what it amounts to.

          Why don't we stop killing our own and instead, stop illegal immigration ?

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          • #95
            Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
            They'd be needing homes, they'd be needing jobs, they'd be needing food, they'd be needing healthcare. The country can't seem to afford to provide for those here now, it would't be happening with 50-100 million more people. Crime would be worse, poverty would be worse... but maybe the half-assed greed based policies of the "conservatives" would be proven to be as much nonsense as it really is with the burden of having to deal with a population that couldn't afford to sit and listen to the lies.
            The Malthusians don't have a very good track record. A funny thing happens when you have more people, particularly more free people. They come up with more ideas, more solutions to problems. It's only when you start whittling away the younger generation that problems occur. Suddenly the welfare state, which was a bad enough idea to begin with, falls apart because there are far more takers than "givers". People think they are saving themselves trouble by avoiding parenthood, and then lie to themselves by saying its better for the dead child too, but they will pay the piper, one way, or another.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Commodore View Post

              The Malthusians don't have a very good track record. A funny thing happens when you have more people, particularly more free people. They come up with more ideas, more solutions to problems. It's only when you start whittling away the younger generation that problems occur. Suddenly the welfare state, which was a bad enough idea to begin with, falls apart because there are far more takers than "givers". People think they are saving themselves trouble by avoiding parenthood, and then lie to themselves by saying its better for the dead child too, but they will pay the piper, one way, or another.
              You are pure comedy. Yeah more people, with more ideas and more solutions....just as long as they are conservative, have the right faith and right pedigree of course....

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              • #97
                Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                You are pure comedy. Yeah more people, with more ideas and more solutions....just as long as they are conservative, have the right faith and right pedigree of course....
                Eugenics has long been a tactic of the left...

                Originally posted by Margaret Sanger
                “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,”

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                • #98
                  Lynchings and inequality under the law has been the standard of the right..

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                    The law decides what is murder and what isn't. The law has alreeady decided that a not yet born person can be "killed" at the decission of it's mother.

                    You can't be an innocent person under the law when you are not yet identified as a person.

                    But hell let's have all those innocents born into a world with less. Less food, less shelter, less compassion. That will make everything better.
                    So human beings have the right to identify what human life is or is not a person? Happened with slavery so clearly the Negros were not innocent people, because they were not identified by the white man as a person. Fair right. And the Jews in Germany. Hitler's law did not identify Jews as people. Certainly Jew's could not be defined as innocent people. Also fair. Apparently you didn't read post #88 as it is the response that covers your comment.

                    You make my point about going down a dangerous road. Saying it is righteous to devalue the human being by leaving it up to man to identify human beings as people, is granting authority to mankind that it should not have. This is the mindset that allowed slavery and the holocaust. And even the mindset that created Islamic terrorism.

                    Maybe those born severely handicap, deformed, blind, deaf, down syndrome, will not be identified as people if Gangs of humans choose tonot identify these human beings as people. It's not for man to identify which human life is or is not a person. Didn't we learn this when ending the Nazi Germany and Slavery? The law of nature has already decided human beings are people. Didn't we finally figure that out? I guess not because abortion is legal.

                    Man choosing labels for human beings is nothing but a label, (semantics), man uses to get away with murder, slavery, and abuse of other humans. Most often to make their own lives easier or better. Again, the arrogance of man. This is why Abortion should be illegal. Take the authority of the arrogant gang mentality of man which is deciding which human beings should be identified as people, for their own selfish purpose. And remove the right of any humans to kill/murder another innocent human being/person.

                    Though, I guess if your concern is living in a world with less, less food, less shelter, less compassion, you're certainly consistent when you protest refugees entering America and causing these problems. You are against letting the refugees into America causing less for life in American. Right?
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                    • Originally posted by msc View Post

                      So human beings have the right to identify what human life is or is not a person? Happened with slavery so clearly the Negro's were not innocent people, because they were not identified by the white man as a person. Fair right. And the Jew's in Germany. Hitler's law did not identify Jews as people. Certainly Jew's could not be defined as innocent people. Also fair. Apparently you didn't read post #88 as it is the response that covers your comment.

                      Well I guess if your concern is living in a world with less, less food, less shelter, less compassion, your certainly consistent when you protest refugees entering America and causing these problems. You are against letting the refugees into America causing less for life in American. Right?
                      I suppose you don't know what the hell you are talking about there, not a surprise at all. There are so few regular posters here I find it amusing you think you can attack me on my stance on refugees as it relates to this issues.I thought I had been clear in the past. I am not and have not been against letting refugees into the U.S. because the past two admnstrations contributed to making life terrible for these people. Those victimized by the JV team, bombed because they rebelled thinking they would get support from the US while it was drawing lines in the sand and citizens of nations where authority was toppled leaving nothing effective in it's place.
                      It's about respnsibility and recompense for those we harmed.

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                      • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                        ,Abortion becomes more common, crime goes down. Maybe just dumb luck, maybe a result of less unwanted and needy children. I'd rather it was choice than the heartless policy of the state.

                        There have been over 50 million abortions in this country since 1970. If by some quirk of fate all of them would have been born and survived to adulthood what do you imagine this country would look like? 50 million more people, their children, and even grandchildren all needing somewhere to live and food to eat.
                        That wouldn't happen.

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                        • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

                          I suppose you don't know what the hell you are talking about there, not a surprise at all. There are so few regular posters here I find it amusing you think you can attack me on my stance on refugees as it relates to this issues.I thought I had been clear in the past. I am not and have not been against letting refugees into the U.S. because the past two admnstrations contributed to making life terrible for these people. Those victimized by the JV team, bombed because they rebelled thinking they would get support from the US while it was drawing lines in the sand and citizens of nations where authority was toppled leaving nothing effective in it's place.
                          It's about respnsibility and recompense for those we harmed.
                          The same way it looks now with all the illegal immigrants, their children, and their grandchildren.

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                          • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                            Lynchings and inequality under the law has been the standard of the right..
                            Is that what they taught you in school?


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                            • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

                              I suppose you don't know what the hell you are talking about there, not a surprise at all. There are so few regular posters here I find it amusing you think you can attack me on my stance on refugees as it relates to this issues.I thought I had been clear in the past. I am not and have not been against letting refugees into the U.S. because the past two admnstrations contributed to making life terrible for these people. Those victimized by the JV team, bombed because they rebelled thinking they would get support from the US while it was drawing lines in the sand and citizens of nations where authority was toppled leaving nothing effective in it's place.
                              It's about respnsibility and recompense for those we harmed.
                              I'm paying attention. It was sarcasm pointing out your inconsistency and hypocrisy.

                              So you say we created a world of less for those countries and must take responsibility, yet we created the world of less for the unborn human and get to kill them and relieve ourselves of responsibility to them. Inconsistency! Hypocrisy!

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                              • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                                I suppose you don't know what the hell you are talking about there, not a surprise at all. There are so few regular posters here I find it amusing you think you can attack me on my stance on refugees as it relates to this issues.I thought I had been clear in the past. I am not and have not been against letting refugees into the U.S. because the past two admnstrations contributed to making life terrible for these people. Those victimized by the JV team, bombed because they rebelled thinking they would get support from the US while it was drawing lines in the sand and citizens of nations where authority was toppled leaving nothing effective in it's place.
                                It's about respnsibility and recompense for those we harmed.
                                Let's remember that "those we harmed" aren't so innocent themselves.

                                Did we want to kick the hornets nest of the middle east ? I doubt it. Still, what were we to do ? Of course it seems we've made it worse rather than better. Without knowing the future, none can say what was done, will have created a worse outcome really. These people have been clear about their wish to destroy our civilization of 'infidels' for quite awhile.

                                Just some thoughts

                                As I said above; Why don't we stop killing our own and instead, stop illegal immigration ?

                                ....
                                and do we REALLY need an endless number of "refugees" from countries that are/were stuck in seventh century Islam ?

                                No, I don't think we do. It's not our fault that these people are in the situation they're in. Left alone, their "leaders" want to murder us ALL.

                                Are we to rescue everyone on earth who lives in a bad situation because of war, bad leaders &/or governing ?

                                No, I don't think that's wise.

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