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  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

    Let's remember that "those we harmed" aren't so innocent themselves.

    Did we want to kick the hornets nest of the middle east ? I doubt it. Still, what were we to do ? Of course it seems we've made it worse rather than better. Without knowing the future, none can say what was done, will have created a worse outcome really. These people have been clear about their wish to destroy our civilization of 'infidels' for quite awhile.

    Just some thoughts

    As I said above; Why don't we stop killing our own and instead, stop illegal immigration ?

    ....
    and do we REALLY need an endless number of "refugees" from countries that are/were stuck in seventh century Islam ?

    No, I don't think we do. It's not our fault that these people are in the situation they're in. Left alone, their "leaders" want to murder us ALL.

    Are we to rescue everyone on earth who lives in a bad situation because of war, bad leaders &/or governing ?

    No, I don't think that's wise.
    And that's why they vet by age and size and only let a few people on the top platform of a water slide, at one time. You let an unrestricted amount up on it and don't have restriction requirements, then it's dangerous for everyone.

    Damn shame that people can't apply the same common sense they use in one place to another that is of even greater importance.

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    • When we topple governments, disband armies, and draw lines in the sand it is most certainly our responsibility. It is callous and craven to claim otherwise.

      Those who basically claim "tough shit, they brought it on themselves" demonstrate very well how many people who wail about abortion being murder don't give a crap for decency and obligations once the children are born.

      If someone wants to kill their own unborn children it's of no concern to me and should be of little to no oncern for the government.

      If your refrain s "what about the innocents" and yet you think it's fine for innocents to be starved, raped, and bombed because we made promises we had no intention of keeping, toppled governments, and dismantled local security (as bad as it may have been) just know that you are indeed a hypocrite and have little to no stabe ground to stand on

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      • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
        When we topple governments, disband armies, and draw lines in the sand it is most certainly our responsibility. It is callous and craven to claim otherwise.

        .....
        Would it not be callous and craven - and downright stupid & suicidal - to leave these crazy bastards alone until they develop enough nukes to take out 7 or 8 large cities in our country ?

        And only a fool would believe that's not exactly what they intend to do . . . given what they've been telling the world for centuries.

        It is tough sh&t for them that we don't allow them to kill us all.

        Originally posted by msc View Post
        And that's why they vet by age and size and only let a few people on the top platform of a water slide, at one time. You let an unrestricted amount up on it and don't have restriction requirements, then it's dangerous for everyone.

        Damn shame that people can't apply the same common sense they use in one place to another that is of even greater importance.
        We've thrown away common sense & replaced it with suicidal stupidity.

        We'll either recover the good sense God gave every 4 year old, or be "replaced."

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        • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

          Would it not be callous and craven - and downright stupid & suicidal - to leave these crazy bastards alone until they develop enough nukes to take out 7 or 8 large cities in our country ?

          And only a fool would believe that's not exactly what they intend to do . . . given what they've been telling the world for centuries.

          It is tough sh&t for them that we don't allow them to kill us all.



          We've thrown away common sense & replaced it with suicidal stupidity.

          We'll either recover the good sense God gave every 4 year old, or be "replaced."
          You are having a serious cognitive issue here. We have toppled governments, we have disbanded armies, we have failed to support or defend the people we claimed we would in a meaningful fashion. If we were seriously worried about the "crazy peoplee" developing nukes we would either be : Establishing secure and stable states or killing everyone. We are doing neither.

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          • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
            You are having a serious cognitive issue here.
            Maybe.

            Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
            We have toppled governments, we have disbanded armies, we have failed to support or defend the people we claimed we would in a meaningful fashion. If we were seriously worried about the "crazy peoplee" developing nukes we would either be : Establishing secure and stable states or killing everyone. We are doing neither.
            Somewhat true.

            How are we to "Establish secure and stable states" in this region, where they are taught from birth that we are spawn of Satan ?

            How are we to "Establish secure and stable states" when our politicians and govt. is more interested in their own fame and gain than anyone else on earth ? They are corrupt liars all, democrat republican whatever, they are liars and thieves and the proof of that is endless.

            If our politicians had the honor of themselves fighting the wars they decide to take part in, AND follow the laws they make the rest of US follow, I have a feeling things would be different.

            Should we kill them all ?

            It's a brutal solution, but imagine never having to worry about an Islamic extremist going ape-sh*t somewhere ever again ?

            We have enough people going ape-sh*t for enough reasons already don't we ?

            Should we ? Shouldn't we ? I don't know ?

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            • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

              Maybe.



              Somewhat true.

              How are we to "Establish secure and stable states" in this region, where they are taught from birth that we are spawn of Satan ?

              How are we to "Establish secure and stable states" when our politicians and govt. is more interested in their own fame and gain than anyone else on earth ? They are corrupt liars all, democrat republican whatever, they are liars and thieves and the proof of that is endless.

              If our politicians had the honor of themselves fighting the wars they decide to take part in, AND follow the laws they make the rest of US follow, I have a feeling things would be different.

              Should we kill them all ?

              It's a brutal solution, but imagine never having to worry about an Islamic extremist going ape-sh*t somewhere ever again ?

              We have enough people going ape-sh*t for enough reasons already don't we ?

              Should we ? Shouldn't we ? I don't know ?
              So let's see all our politicians are corrupt liars and thieves and the people who say we are the spawn of Satan are right.

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              • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                So let's see all our politicians are corrupt liars and thieves and the people who say we are the spawn of Satan are right.
                Rover again establishes the gold standard in reading/comprehension ; )

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                • This abortion business is truly sickening and is a measure of who and what we, as a nation are.

                  We have made murder of the most innocent people legal.

                  Live Action asked some of their viewers for one-word responses to the abortion procedures described in these films: barbaric, SATANIC, MURDER, Horrifying.

                  Now that the public can see that real infants are being brutally slaughtered, torn limb from limb, how long do we think this "womans right" to murder will last ?

                  That many people passionately argue in favor of such sickness is what's really disgusting.

                  Another great idea from the supreme court ......... Anyone holding their breath to see what they'll award us with next ???

                  Maybe we should be more careful what kind of garbage we set before these people in "The Supreme Court" ??



                  ---------------------------------

                  Support for abortion can be undercut when people learn what an abortion actually is.

                  An enterprising young pro-life woman, Lila Rose, is working hard to attain that goal. She and her team at LiveAction.org have been producing powerful online videos to educate people as to what actually happens in an abortion. The videos are going viral in a major way and are receiving tens of millions of views.

                  The video project can be found at www.abortionprocedures.com. What the abortionists do in secret, Lila Rose aims to shout from the housetops.

                  When you visit the landing page of these videos, you have five menu choices. They are: D & E, aspiration, pills [e.g., RU486], induction and the story. The first four videos deal with common forms of abortion. The D & E is addressed below. Aspiration refers to the high power suction type of abortion performed on first trimester unborn babies with suction machines 10 to 20 times more powerful than a vacuum cleaner. The induction method is performed on preborn babies 25 weeks and older; through the use of an injection, the abortionists attempt to induce cardiac arrest of the unborn baby who, at this stage, feels pain.

                  These videos are hosted by Dr. Anthony Levatino, an OB/GYN; and the story menu item features interview segments with Levatino himself. How did he, who once performed over 1,200 first and second trimester abortions, change, and why?

                  In one of the videos, he says, One day, after completing one of those abortions, I looked at the remains of a preborn child whose life I had ended, and all I could see was someones son or daughter. I came to realize that killing a baby at any stage of pregnancy, for any reason, is wrong.

                  Levatino also says, I will no longer do any more abortions. When you finally figure out that killing a baby that big [about eight inches long based on his hand gestures in the video] for money is wrong, then it doesnt matter if the baby is [large or tiny] its all the same. And I havent done any since then, and I never will.

                  Consider the D & E video, which refers to Dilation and Evacuation, where the second trimester unborn baby is dismembered, limb by limb.

                  In this video, Levatino shows one of the key tools of the abortionist, saying, This is a sopher clamp. A sopher clamp is made of stainless steel. Its about 13 inches long. The business end is about 2 inches long and a -inch wide, and there are rows of sharp teeth. This is a grasping instrument, and when it gets a hold of something, it does not let go. The abortionist uses this clamp to grasp an arm or a leg. Once he has a firm grip, the abortionist pulls hard, in order to tear the limb from the babys body. One by one, the rest of the limbs are removed, along with the intestines, the spine, and the heart and lungs.

                  He continues, Usually the most difficult part of the procedure is extracting the babys head, which is about the size of a large plum at 20 weeks. The head is grasped and crushed. The abortionist knows he has crushed the skull when a white substance comes out of the cervix this was the babys brains.

                  ...these videos are educating millions of people. Lila Rose told me in a text message this week: On Facebook and YouTube, the four videos have a combined 85 million views. 85 million views? CNN, call your office. Its a new day when an independent pro-life organization can manage to gain that kind of viewership through social media alone.

                  Live Action asked some of their viewers for one-word responses to the abortion procedures described in these films: barbaric, SATANIC, MURDER, Horrifying.


                  http://www.wnd.com/2017/10/viral-vid...h-of-abortion/

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                  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                    This abortion business is truly sickening and is a measure of who and what we, as a nation are.

                    We have made murder of the most innocent people legal.

                    Live Action asked some of their viewers for one-word responses to the abortion procedures described in these films: barbaric, SATANIC, MURDER, Horrifying.

                    Now that the public can see that real infants are being brutally slaughtered, torn limb from limb, how long do we think this "womans right" to murder will last ?

                    That many people passionately argue in favor of such sickness is what's really disgusting.

                    Another great idea from the supreme court ......... Anyone holding their breath to see what they'll award us with next ???

                    Maybe we should be more careful what kind of garbage we set before these people in "The Supreme Court" ??



                    ---------------------------------

                    Support for abortion can be undercut when people learn what an abortion actually is.

                    An enterprising young pro-life woman, Lila Rose, is working hard to attain that goal. She and her team at LiveAction.org have been producing powerful online videos to educate people as to what actually happens in an abortion. The videos are going viral in a major way and are receiving tens of millions of views.

                    The video project can be found at www.abortionprocedures.com. What the abortionists do in secret, Lila Rose aims to shout from the housetops.

                    When you visit the landing page of these videos, you have five menu choices. They are: D & E, aspiration, pills [e.g., RU486], induction and the story. The first four videos deal with common forms of abortion. The D & E is addressed below. Aspiration refers to the high power suction type of abortion performed on first trimester unborn babies with suction machines 10 to 20 times more powerful than a vacuum cleaner. The induction method is performed on preborn babies 25 weeks and older; through the use of an injection, the abortionists attempt to induce cardiac arrest of the unborn baby who, at this stage, feels pain.

                    These videos are hosted by Dr. Anthony Levatino, an OB/GYN; and the story menu item features interview segments with Levatino himself. How did he, who once performed over 1,200 first and second trimester abortions, change, and why?

                    In one of the videos, he says, One day, after completing one of those abortions, I looked at the remains of a preborn child whose life I had ended, and all I could see was someones son or daughter. I came to realize that killing a baby at any stage of pregnancy, for any reason, is wrong.

                    Levatino also says, I will no longer do any more abortions. When you finally figure out that killing a baby that big [about eight inches long based on his hand gestures in the video] for money is wrong, then it doesnt matter if the baby is [large or tiny] its all the same. And I havent done any since then, and I never will.

                    Consider the D & E video, which refers to Dilation and Evacuation, where the second trimester unborn baby is dismembered, limb by limb.

                    In this video, Levatino shows one of the key tools of the abortionist, saying, This is a sopher clamp. A sopher clamp is made of stainless steel. Its about 13 inches long. The business end is about 2 inches long and a -inch wide, and there are rows of sharp teeth. This is a grasping instrument, and when it gets a hold of something, it does not let go. The abortionist uses this clamp to grasp an arm or a leg. Once he has a firm grip, the abortionist pulls hard, in order to tear the limb from the babys body. One by one, the rest of the limbs are removed, along with the intestines, the spine, and the heart and lungs.

                    He continues, Usually the most difficult part of the procedure is extracting the babys head, which is about the size of a large plum at 20 weeks. The head is grasped and crushed. The abortionist knows he has crushed the skull when a white substance comes out of the cervix this was the babys brains.

                    ...these videos are educating millions of people. Lila Rose told me in a text message this week: On Facebook and YouTube, the four videos have a combined 85 million views. 85 million views? CNN, call your office. Its a new day when an independent pro-life organization can manage to gain that kind of viewership through social media alone.

                    Live Action asked some of their viewers for one-word responses to the abortion procedures described in these films: barbaric, SATANIC, MURDER, Horrifying.


                    http://www.wnd.com/2017/10/viral-vid...h-of-abortion/
                    No problem. If you want abortion to be illegal convince congress to pass the law making it a crime. It should be easy. Your party controls the white house and both houses of congress. What are they waiting for?

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                    • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                      No problem. If you want abortion to be illegal convince congress to pass the law making it a crime. It should be easy. Your party controls the white house and both houses of congress. What are they waiting for?
                      No law can be passed making it illegal. The procedure was defined as a privacy issue by the liberal supreme court and ruled legal based on that flawed argument. It issue was actually about women's liberation and allowing women to be as promiscuous as men without consequences.

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                      • So, murder in private is legal. This is a "privacy issue."

                        If no one admits to "seeing it," it didn't happen.

                        Yes, that's logical - somewhere.

                        Originally posted by redrover View Post
                        No problem. If you want abortion to be illegal convince congress to pass the law making it a crime. It should be easy. Your party controls the white house and both houses of congress. What are they waiting for?
                        That's the challenge. It's difficult enough getting congress to show up for work, have them pass a law ?

                        Yeah .. Maybe tomorrow they'll tell us LOL ....

                        .... tomorrow they'll take up all their work hours figuring out what they were supposed to do yesterday LOL

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                        • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                          So, murder in private is legal. This is a "privacy issue."

                          If no one admits to "seeing it," it didn't happen.

                          Yes, that's logical - somewhere.



                          That's the challenge. It's difficult enough getting congress to show up for work, have them pass a law ?

                          Yeah .. Maybe tomorrow they'll tell us LOL ....

                          .... tomorrow they'll take up all their work hours figuring out what they were supposed to do yesterday LOL
                          Aren't they due for another recess. They must be exhausted from all they've achieved this year so far.Trump and Pence have been tied up dealing with flag disrespect.

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                          • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                            Aren't they due for another recess. They must be exhausted from all they've achieved this year so far.Trump and Pence have been tied up dealing with flag disrespect.
                            Well probably.

                            Meanwhile, they'll be needing to go in to the Drs. office to get their vitals checked before they drag themselves in next year sometime to play with each others napkins and push salt shakers at each other.

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                            • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                              Aren't they due for another recess. They must be exhausted from all they've achieved this year so far.Trump and Pence have been tied up dealing with flag disrespect.
                              Actually, Trump has been quite busy rolling back intrusive Obama-era regulations, one of the under the radar reasons for the continuing performance of the stock market.

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                              • In the meantime, while we were distracted....

                                Selling murder as a "right" can only be done with lies.

                                It was done, and many today still believe the lies.

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                                15 DEADLY LIES OF ABORTION PUSHERS

                                Lie No. 1: When life begins is unknown.

                                Science is very clear that all chromosomes, DNA and RNA are present at the moment of conception. DNA includes more than just the cellular blueprint of your physical body down to the length of your eyelashes. It seems to lay out unique features of your mind, your natural talents, aptitudes and even what dreams are likely to enthrall you.


                                Lie No. 2: The unborn are not human until they take their first breath.

                                Science informs us that the unborn child does breathe in utero through her umbilical cord attached to mother. I once asked an abortionist: After a baby is born, he is holding his breath, right? Yes, he said. So before the doctor spanks him, while hes squirming upside-down held by his ankles, still attached by umbilical cord, is the baby human before his first breath? No, he answered with much less certainty in his voice, almost robotically. So the baby can be killed at that moment? He awakened to this lies absurdity, shook his head and agreed that would be wrong.


                                Lie No. 3: The mother determines her childs value.

                                The fallacy goes like this: Any unborn child is worthless unless the mother ascribes some value to him or her. If she prefers to finish a college course before giving birth, then the baby becomes less valuable and is expendable. After graduation, her unborn child becomes precious.

                                No intrinsic value exists in early human life; our value is determined by how our births timing comports with our mothers convenience.


                                Lie No. 4: Abortions are safe.

                                There are physical and psychological consequences, some very severe. Check out the research yourself. Question the validity of resources that ignore the psychic effects of having abortions. After all, we are more than just a body.


                                Lie No. 5:Infanticide is more humane than growing up poor and unwanted.

                                Newsflash: Very few kids are told daily how valuable and cherished they are. Most parents are struggling with their own problems and feelings of low self-worth. Many exasperated parents, in moments of selfishness, feel their children are unwanted.
                                Most well-adjusted people look back with tearful gratitude on the struggles of their parents raising them. How much love existed and dedication to family? Many say they didnt even know they were poor.
                                No wonder so many thousands eagerly pay a fortune to adopt so-called unwanted babies and children to take on the privilege of being parents.


                                Lie No. 6:The unborn feel no pain during dismemberment at 5 months.

                                Much medical evidence exists to corroborate the obvious fact that pain-sensitive nerve cells have formed by this time in a babys development.
                                The Silent Scream is a 1984 educational film narrated by Bernard Nathanson, an obstetrician, NARAL Pro-Choice America founder and abortion provider turned pro-life activist. The film shows an abortion taking place of a 12-week-old fetus using ultrasound footage. I could not watch it, but apparently, the baby is seen screaming in agony.
                                After 20 weeks, no pain? Dont believe it.


                                Lie No. 7: Viability is relevant.

                                The Hippocratic Oath states, Do no harm. It says nothing about those incapacitated, either by coma, allergic reaction to medicine or those still developing deserve no medical treatment or extermination if the patient is not viable without assistance.


                                Lie. No. 8: Abortion involves only a womans body.

                                The unborn baby has separate DNA, often a different blood type and gender. All things point to a unique individual, biologically and physically apart from the mother.


                                Lie No. 9: Selling human, unborn organs doesnt mean the intact baby is human.

                                This defies logic; can car parts be put together at a factory and the final product not be a car?


                                Lie No. 10: Therapeutic infanticide heals violent trauma.

                                It is true that revenge seems to give relief to the victim of rape if the perpetrator is executed vigilante style. This is undeniably true. Few would shed hot tears for the criminal receiving this form of justice.
                                But where is the proof that executing an innocent party committing infanticide reduces stress of a rape victim? I havent heard one pro-life psychiatrist suggest it. Even so, wouldnt it be vigilante revenge against the wrong person? Thats a fair question, isnt it?


                                Lie No. 11: You can be against abortion personally, but still advocate, campaign and vote for it politically.

                                Can you imagine somebody claiming that he advocates, campaigns and votes for KKK candidates, but is not personally racist? Would you believe him?

                                We are holistic beings, every thought connected to the whole like a spiders web. Every action and thought reverberates within our entire existence. Poor mental hygiene and double mindedness do not go unpunished by our psyche or unnoticed by others. So much so, that historian Oswald Spengler can say, Every act changes the soul of the doer.


                                Lie No. 12: Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was not a eugenics-loving racist.
                                Even the squirming apologists from liberal Time magazine reported: She did (say so), and very publicly. In a 1921 article, she wrote that, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective.'
                                Want more proof?
                                We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, Sanger wrote in a letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble on Dec. 10, 1939.


                                Lie No. 13: An estimated 1 billion abortions worldwide in the last 40 years shows secular compassion.

                                LifeNews.com reports the figure is 1.7 billion!
                                Holocausts always involve making money off innocent victims. The abortion holocaust is no exception. Legality gives no moral cover to atrocities. History shows that most were legal acts perpetrated by tyrants.


                                Lie No. 14: Abortion is a right.

                                Its been said that rights of one person cannot take away from those of another. This is a reliable criterion of what is a right. For example, my free speech does not impinge on yours.


                                Lie No. 15: Abortions make your life easier.

                                In a purely materialistic world, stealing would feel as good as earning. Without conscience, murder has the same result as someone dying naturally. We know these are lies. Conscience impacts our decisions. Graveyards of abortion become wombs of conscience. Abortion is no more family planning than rape is sex education; both require grotesque abuse of power against the innocent.


                                http://www.wnd.com/2017/11/15-deadly...rtion-pushers/

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