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  • Political Bias At Universities

    We all know that educational institutions are bastions of liberal philosophy but this seems to be an all time low.

    A college professor has been placed on leave after she allegedly forced her class to sign a pledge to vote for President Obama in the upcoming elections.
    College suspends professor for allegedly attempting to force students to vote for Obama

    We send our kids to school for an education and what they get instead is indoctrination. My daughter took a college earth science class during a summer session. Since it was a short session, the lectures were three hours. The first day of the class, the Professor spent the entire three hours bashing George Bush and saying how much better off the world would have been if he hadn't stolen the election from Al Gore. When she went back for the second day of the class he picked up where he left off, bashing Bush and praising Gore. She got up and dropped the class and I demanded the University refund her tuition. We got our money back.

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    Re: Political Bias At Universities

    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
    We all know that educational institutions are bastions of liberal philosophy but this seems to be an all time low.



    College suspends professor for allegedly attempting to force students to vote for Obama

    We send our kids to school for an education and what they get instead is indoctrination. My daughter took a college earth science class during a summer session. Since it was a short session, the lectures were three hours. The first day of the class, the Professor spent the entire three hours bashing George Bush and saying how much better off the world would have been if he hadn't stolen the election from Al Gore. When she went back for the second day of the class he picked up where he left off, bashing Bush and praising Gore. She got up and dropped the class and I demanded the University refund her tuition. We got our money back.
    First off, your link: One crazy lib at a Community College does not bother me that much, especially since she was immediately caught and censored and was only an associate prof. Community Colleges ARE NOT universities.

    2nd: Of course you got your money back, it was only the 2nd day of class and your daughter DROPPED. Thats the point of a drop date, the date after which you may only withdraw not drop. Dropping takes it off your GPA because you only spent a few class hours and if done before the drop date that is on EVERY university or college registrar schedule refunds your tuition, withdrawing leaves you with a W or an I and does not refund your tuition.
    You know absolutely nothing about the university system apparently and I will thank you to at least educate yourself on the laws governing Universities before you comment upon them.

    3rd: I go to college at the fairly liberal texas state university. We have plenty of profs who are filthy hippies. We also have plenty of profs who are not. One of my profs was an ex naval captain, another is rabidly libertarian, several that I work with on a daily basis in my department ( that i not only study, but also am employed in) are classic social conservatives. Others are liberal to their very bones. Some are entirely apathetic about government, and indeed about life itself (skeptics).
    You, oldman, need to get away from this fear of education. Hippies are always hippies, blaming others for their problems, demanding that others fit their lives around the hippy whim, education or no. I know plenty of uneducated hippies, several of whom are very involved in Houston's version of OCCUPY. No education required to turn them into sheep bleating for a master. I also know plenty of educated hippies: they were hippies freshmen year, and they are still hippies in grad school. Education tends to refine ones beliefs, not redefine. Certainly that can happen, but only if the original beliefs held were impressed upon the person by an authority figure early in life, like a parent. In that case it is not truly proper to call the original belief the belief of the person holding it at all. It is their authority figures belief, expressed by proxy. Which is why we don't teach philosophy to children, because they will believe whatever you tell them without thinking for themselves.

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      Re: Political Bias At Universities

      Originally posted by reality View Post
      We have plenty of profs who are filthy hippies. We also have plenty of profs who are not. One of my profs was an ex naval captain, another is rabidly libertarian, several that I work with on a daily basis in my department ( that i not only study, but also am employed in) are classic social conservatives. Others are liberal to their very bones. Some are entirely apathetic about government, and indeed about life itself (skeptics).
      Awsome post, and pretty much mirrors my experience through three community colleges, a state college, and grad school.

      I did all my schooling in liberal NJ, and one of my double majors was political science, and I think that maybe six or eight of my professors (total) made any comments of a partisan political nature in class. As in your case, those opinions ran the gamut from ultra conservative (New Testament), to conservative (American Presidency), to libertarian (Interface Design and Evaluation), to liberal (several polisci classes), to just plain cooky (Civil War and Reconstruction - my professor had an alarming obsession with the Sly Fox of Kinderhook and judged the modern Democrat party by his policies).

      I didn't begin college until I was in my 30s and I tend to lean more toward the conservative so I had many of the same supositional fears that OldmanDan seems to have related to colleges and universities being liberal breeding grounds. But I simply didn't find that to be the case.

      I did notice that many of the younger students ("traditional" undergrads) tended to lean liberal pretty much of their own accord and on a number of occasions I sat in class while a professor shut a group of liberal students down.

      I think if you want to find liberal indoctrination in college it's probably pretty easy to do. I'd say that it's probably much easier to fall in with a militant leftist crown than with a militant conservative crowd. But I would hazard to guess that most undergrads tend to fall in with the beer and pussy crowd and have about as much use for politics as any 18 to 20 year old who isn't in college.

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        Re: Political Bias At Universities

        Originally posted by soot View Post
        Awsome post, and pretty much mirrors my experience through three community colleges, a state college, and grad school.

        I did all my schooling in liberal NJ, and one of my double majors was political science, and I think that maybe six or eight of my professors (total) made any comments of a partisan political nature in class. As in your case, those opinions ran the gamut from ultra conservative (New Testament), to conservative (American Presidency), to libertarian (Interface Design and Evaluation), to liberal (several polisci classes), to just plain cooky (Civil War and Reconstruction - my professor had an alarming obsession with the Sly Fox of Kinderhook and judged the modern Democrat party by his policies).

        I didn't begin college until I was in my 30s and I tend to lean more toward the conservative so I had many of the same supositional fears that OldmanDan seems to have related to colleges and universities being liberal breeding grounds. But I simply didn't find that to be the case.

        I did notice that many of the younger students ("traditional" undergrads) tended to lean liberal pretty much of their own accord and on a number of occasions I sat in class while a professor shut a group of liberal students down.

        I think if you want to find liberal indoctrination in college it's probably pretty easy to do. I'd say that it's probably much easier to fall in with a militant leftist crown than with a militant conservative crowd. But I would hazard to guess that most undergrads tend to fall in with the beer and pussy crowd and have about as much use for politics as any 18 to 20 year old who isn't in college.
        My experience in Cal is much different. I went to Santa Cruz for a while and had to leave after a semester because I was not being educated, I was being indoctrinated in the liberal left wing religion.

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          Re: Political Bias At Universities

          Originally posted by CalifornCracker View Post
          My experience in Cal is much different. I went to Santa Cruz for a while and had to leave after a semester because I was not being educated, I was being indoctrinated in the liberal left wing religion.
          I'm curious as to what you consider indoctrination since I do not know you. Can you elaborate? Also, Welcome!

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            Re: Political Bias At Universities

            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
            We all know that educational institutions are bastions of liberal philosophy but this seems to be an all time low.
            I dare you to tell faculty of Bob Jones University that they're liberal. I just dare you. Bob Jones University - A Christian University in Greenville, SC

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              Re: Political Bias At Universities

              Originally posted by reality View Post
              First off, your link: One crazy lib at a Community College does not bother me that much, especially since she was immediately caught and censored and was only an associate prof. Community Colleges ARE NOT universities.

              2nd: Of course you got your money back, it was only the 2nd day of class and your daughter DROPPED. Thats the point of a drop date, the date after which you may only withdraw not drop. Dropping takes it off your GPA because you only spent a few class hours and if done before the drop date that is on EVERY university or college registrar schedule refunds your tuition, withdrawing leaves you with a W or an I and does not refund your tuition.
              You know absolutely nothing about the university system apparently and I will thank you to at least educate yourself on the laws governing Universities before you comment upon them.

              3rd: I go to college at the fairly liberal texas state university. We have plenty of profs who are filthy hippies. We also have plenty of profs who are not. One of my profs was an ex naval captain, another is rabidly libertarian, several that I work with on a daily basis in my department ( that i not only study, but also am employed in) are classic social conservatives. Others are liberal to their very bones. Some are entirely apathetic about government, and indeed about life itself (skeptics).
              You, oldman, need to get away from this fear of education. Hippies are always hippies, blaming others for their problems, demanding that others fit their lives around the hippy whim, education or no. I know plenty of uneducated hippies, several of whom are very involved in Houston's version of OCCUPY. No education required to turn them into sheep bleating for a master. I also know plenty of educated hippies: they were hippies freshmen year, and they are still hippies in grad school. Education tends to refine ones beliefs, not redefine. Certainly that can happen, but only if the original beliefs held were impressed upon the person by an authority figure early in life, like a parent. In that case it is not truly proper to call the original belief the belief of the person holding it at all. It is their authority figures belief, expressed by proxy. Which is why we don't teach philosophy to children, because they will believe whatever you tell them without thinking for themselves.
              I learned quickly when I was taking the "fluff" courses to get a degree that if I wanted to pass the course with a decent grade, I had to regurgitate what I was told in class or in the text book I was required to purchase. If I expressed any original thought or disagreement I was punished for doing so.

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              Originally posted by noahath View Post
              I dare you to tell faculty of Bob Jones University that they're liberal. I just dare you. Bob Jones University - A Christian University in Greenville, SC
              There are some private schools that are not bastions of liberalism. I was referring primarily to public universities. That is what the OP addressed.

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                Re: Political Bias At Universities

                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                I learned quickly when I was taking the "fluff" courses to get a degree that if I wanted to pass the course with a decent grade, I had to regurgitate what I was told in class or in the text book I was required to purchase. If I expressed any original thought or disagreement I was punished for doing so.

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                There are some private schools that are not bastions of liberalism. I was referring primarily to public universities. That is what the OP addressed.
                Fluff is a matter of subjectivity.
                My daughter is currently in one of the most prestigious pre-med programs in the US and she has to provide the answers supplied by her teachers orally even though the requested answer is wrong.
                The professor is interested in students paying attention rather than simply spitting out information from the text book.

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                  Re: Political Bias At Universities

                  Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                  Fluff is a matter of subjectivity.
                  My daughter is currently in one of the most prestigious pre-med programs in the US and she has to provide the answers supplied by her teachers orally even though the requested answer is wrong.
                  The professor is interested in students paying attention rather than simply spitting out information from the text book.
                  I considered the courses not at all relevant to my major as fluff courses. These were courses that were there only to keep professor employed and money coming in to the college.

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                    Re: Political Bias At Universities

                    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                    I considered the courses not at all relevant to my major as fluff courses. These were courses that were there only to keep professor employed and money coming in to the college.
                    I realize that...fluff is what makes for a well rounded individual.
                    It prepares one to rebuff fluff.

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                      Re: Political Bias At Universities

                      Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                      Fluff is a matter of subjectivity.
                      My daughter is currently in one of the most prestigious pre-med programs in the US and she has to provide the answers supplied by her teachers orally even though the requested answer is wrong.
                      The professor is interested in students paying attention rather than simply spitting out information from the text book.
                      That is not an altogether uncommon tactic, though it is usually with spoken word in the middle of a lecture rather than answering questions. Off the cuff, and not meaning anything.

                      Which is the pre-med she is going through?

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                        Re: Political Bias At Universities

                        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                        I learned quickly when I was taking the "fluff" courses to get a degree that if I wanted to pass the course with a decent grade, I had to regurgitate what I was told in class or in the text book I was required to purchase. If I expressed any original thought or disagreement I was punished for doing so.

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                        There are some private schools that are not bastions of liberalism. I was referring primarily to public universities. That is what the OP addressed.


                        So now its you who went to school. Whatever. What do you mean by "fluff", what was your degree in, and just what were you expected to regurgitate? Also what did you consider disagreement or an original idea?

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                          Re: Political Bias At Universities

                          Political bias has always existed in the vacuums of Universities, their administrators, and professors. However it is beyond ignorant to assume it is all left leaning. As others have pointed out, we have plenty of universities that have ties to organized religion. Not exactly all liberal think tanks there.

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                            Re: Political Bias At Universities

                            Originally posted by reality View Post
                            So now its you who went to school. Whatever. What do you mean by "fluff", what was your degree in, and just what were you expected to regurgitate? Also what did you consider disagreement or an original idea?
                            My degree is in electronics engineering with a secondary in mathematics. The fluff courses were the humanities courses I was required to take to keep some professor employed or to generate extra income for the schools. The fluff courses were the ones that wouldn't transfer from school to school because each one wants their own money grab.

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                              Re: Political Bias At Universities

                              Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                              Political bias has always existed in the vacuums of Universities, their administrators, and professors. However it is beyond ignorant to assume it is all left leaning. As others have pointed out, we have plenty of universities that have ties to organized religion. Not exactly all liberal think tanks there.
                              Are there any publicly funded conservative leaning universities?

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