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Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

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  • Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

    in 2011, Mitt Romney’s son Tagg and Tagg’s wife Jen, who earlier this year had twins through a surrogate, signed a contract with the surrogate giving themselves and her the right to abort a pregnancy, even in non-life-threatening situations. And on top of that, Mitt himself subsidized the arrangement, since he helped pay for the surrogate’s services. Oopsy!
    Well, well. And using surrogates, if I'm not mistaken, routinely involves multiple in vitro fertilized eggs in the hopes than at least one takes.

    Which would be impossible if the "life begins at conception" movement had its way.

    Mr. Etch-a-Sketch strikes again.

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    Re: Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

    Originally posted by jpn View Post
    Well, well. And using surrogates, if I'm not mistaken, routinely involves multiple in vitro fertilized eggs in the hopes than at least one takes.

    Which would be impossible if the "life begins at conception" movement had its way.

    Mr. Etch-a-Sketch strikes again.
    From your post:

    Now for the stupid mistake. We've learned Tagg chose the same surrogate in 2009, who gave birth to a boy. Attorney Bill Handel -- a nationally-known expert in surrogacy law who put the deal together between Tagg and the surrogate -- tells TMZ when the 2009 contract was drafted there was no Paragraph 13 providing for abortion because Tagg and his wife didn't want it.

    Handel says in 2011, when the second contract was being drafted, everyone involved "just forgot" to remove Paragraph 13. Handel says, "No one noticed. What can I say?"

    Read more: Mitt Romney's Son Tagg Signed 'Abortion' Clause in His Surrogate Birth Contract | TMZ.com
    Guess we know how they feel about abortion.

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      Re: Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
      From your post:



      Guess we know how they feel about abortion.
      Yep. That they all read and knew what they signed, including that.

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        Re: Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

        Originally posted by O'Sullivan Bere View Post
        Yep. That they all read and knew what they signed, including that.
        I would bet money that their lawyer put the papers in front of them and said sign here. They hire lawyers so they don't have to read reams of verbiage that no one but lawyers understand.

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          Re: Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

          <shrug>

          STILL won't make me consider voting for the current failed president.

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            Re: Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

            What a fiend. Imagine if he was against indefinite detention until he himself was in office.

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            What a fiend. Imagine if he was against indefinite detention until he himself was in office.

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              Re: Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

              I think with Romney you have a business man. Positions are negotiable taking whatever position is needed to win, then of course, modifying the positions if need be.

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                Re: Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                I would bet money that their lawyer put the papers in front of them and said sign here. They hire lawyers so they don't have to read reams of verbiage that no one but lawyers understand.


                You're telling that to a lawyer...

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                  Re: Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

                  Originally posted by O'Sullivan Bere View Post
                  Yep. That they all read and knew what they signed, including that.
                  See, for me, this is just so much more disgusting i can't even put it into words. It is one thing to say you can't deal if you are raped / have medical issues which mean you or the child you carry may die, but this is voluntarily fertilizing eggs, on multiple occasions with the possibility / potential to abort, for any reason.

                  This is not just rhetoric, but his own actual life, his children, and potential grandchildren we are seeing him feel comfortable to abort. This is not a case of someone else's choice, but his own. Even the most avid of abortion supporters will say that "they themselves would never consider one" or add some caveat there of ; this guy has done the total opposite. Try to pretend to be a pro lifer, and claim at the same time to be comfortable with aborting his potential grand child.

                  Words fail me.

                  Shame on anyone who votes for this bastard.

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                    Re: Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

                    Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                    <shrug>

                    STILL won't make me consider voting for the current failed president.
                    But that doesn't equate to voting Romney, darlin'.

                    There is one thing to hate Obama, but for someone who is as pro life as you, to vote for Romney after this would surely see you lose any and or all credentials with the life movement.

                    You cannot possibly be pro life / anti-abortion and even reconcile that with voting Romney.

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                      Re: Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

                      Originally posted by Chloe View Post
                      But that doesn't equate to voting Romney, darlin'.

                      There is one thing to hate Obama, but for someone who is as pro life as you, to vote for Romney after this would surely see you lose any and or all credentials with the life movement.

                      You cannot possibly be pro life / anti-abortion and even reconcile that with voting Romney.
                      Correction, you can never reconcile a single issue while voting Romney.

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                        Re: Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

                        Originally posted by Chloe View Post
                        But that doesn't equate to voting Romney, darlin'.

                        There is one thing to hate Obama, but for someone who is as pro life as you, to vote for Romney after this would surely see you lose any and or all credentials with the life movement.

                        You cannot possibly be pro life / anti-abortion and even reconcile that with voting Romney.
                        Were I a one-issue voter, you would be absolutely right. In fact, I can't even say I like Romney all that much as a candidate.

                        But I'm what you call a "values" voter and right now, Romney comes CLOSEST to mirroring my own values (recognizing as I do that there have been very few candidates, and none today, who completely mirror my values.

                        Thing about Obama is, he doesn't match any of my values so even if Romney had only one of my values, he would still be closer than Obama. As I've also explained a couple of times, I have often voted 3rd party: Usually that is for congress or state offices, but I voted 3rd party in 2008 for President since neither Obama or McCain came even close to my values. I considered them basically two sides of one coin.

                        THIS time, however, it is more important that we fire Obama than it is that I vote 3rd party. So I'm not so much voting for Romney as I'm voting to end Obama's reign of arrogance and incompetence.

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                          Re: Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

                          Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                          Were I a one-issue voter, you would be absolutely right. In fact, I can't even say I like Romney all that much as a candidate.
                          Sweetheart i am yet to see one single conservative say they "like" Mitt Romney. Meadhall has been the kindest and most respectful of any poster here on the site to Romney, and basically the only person i have seen say he can "like" the guy as a person, or as a candidate. You are not alone, in that regard. But then again, none of the rest of those conservatives here who won't vote for him along with the libertarians, are not one issue voters either. But one thing or another does tick them off enough to sit this one out or write third party.

                          But I'm what you call a "values" voter and right now, Romney comes CLOSEST to mirroring my own values (recognizing as I do that there have been very few candidates, and none today, who completely mirror my values.
                          How can Romney possibly mirror your values?? Look at what he has said over the years on every social issue! He needs like 4 different mirrors, for a start, if he is to encompass all his positions, per issue! You on the other hand (from what i have seen) are a very consistent and ideologically sound individual ; we may disagree but i know where your heart is.

                          Thing about Obama is, he doesn't match any of my values so even if Romney had only one of my values, he would still be closer than Obama. As I've also explained a couple of times, I have often voted 3rd party: Usually that is for congress or state offices, but I voted 3rd party in 2008 for President since neither Obama or McCain came even close to my values. I considered them basically two sides of one coin.

                          THIS time, however, it is more important that we fire Obama than it is that I vote 3rd party. So I'm not so much voting for Romney as I'm voting to end Obama's reign of arrogance and incompetence.
                          But for your vote (which i assume is IL, from the information you have given) is a state that is nowhere even near competitive, so what difference will it make if you vote third party? You can cast for Romney, but no way will he pick up your state so no matter how much you want to fire Romney, your vote in IL will make no substantive sway in doing so. None at all.

                          Btw Obama does not share my views on everything and i would not say i am a "1 issue" voter...but his meddling with the Catholic Church is so inexcusable to me that the one time i may have voted GOP in my entire life or likely to, the GOP blew by picking Romney. I would voted for probably any of the others barring maybe Cain and Gingrich for their infidelity. Life is just that important to me, and my church and faith is the single biggest determining factor for everything i do in life.

                          I could excuse the lack of things i wanted done by him (immigration reform, looking at science and technology grants, changing legal statutes etc) but i couldn't get past the fight he picked with the Catholic faith. Does that make me a one issue voter?

                          You be the call...but i know i won't "settle" (as Bachmann put it), and i sure hope you don't, either.

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                            Re: Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

                            Originally posted by Chloe View Post
                            But that doesn't equate to voting Romney, darlin'.

                            There is one thing to hate Obama, but for someone who is as pro life as you, to vote for Romney after this would surely see you lose any and or all credentials with the life movement.

                            You cannot possibly be pro life / anti-abortion and even reconcile that with voting Romney.
                            I think if you hate obama enough, you could vote for hitler because you hated him less. Just saying...

                            There are many reasons, valid reasons for not voting for obama, but all of those are based upon emotions. If you try to blame the economy on him, this is stupidity. If you try to blame tax rates on him, that too is stupid because we still have bush tax rates. If you try to blame the debt on him, that too is stupid.

                            But looking at a man with ideological eyes, in which your ideology interprets reality is the highest form of stupidity. If you simply look at what he has done, and what he walked into in 09, you would cast your vote for him, if you could keep the emotions from dictating your views. But cons are very emotional people, and more times than not, they rely upon emotions, instead of facts. But what do you expect from a group who lack the intelligence to KNOW what real socialism actually is? LOL. It's a good thing we don't give civics/gov't tests in order to qualify voting. The republicans would never elect anyone! Most cons would fail the tests. I mean, they have no clue what real socialism is! And objective tests never let you substitute your own facts for real facts!

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                              Re: Romney is Pro-Choice...For Him

                              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                              There are many reasons, valid reasons for not voting for obama, <snip>
                              One, just tell me one. We know he is not a good fiscal president. We know he is not honest as he lies regularly. We know he is not really a friend of the people because he supports habituates the poor with welfare. We know he is not good with defense areas, though he and his cronies talk a good talk.

                              So again, tell me one reason anyone should vote for the incompetent.

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