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    Top Republican Says GOP Should 'Deal With Reality' And Accept Legal Marriage Equality | ThinkProgress

    "It is in every family. It is in every community. The momentum is clearly now in the direction in finding some way to … accommodate and deal with reality. And the reality is going to be that in a number of American states — and it will be more after 2014 — gay relationships will be legal, period.”

    The steady momentum in favor of marriage parity certainly seems to be rapidly picking up pace. I've been predicting that when the Supreme Court takes up prop 8 and DOMA next year, that the rulings would be favorable to marriage equality advocates; but the scope of the rulings would be narrow enough that the prop 8 ruling would only apply to California, and the DOMA ruling would only strike the portions of DOMA that deal with federal benefits. Now I'm not so certain. I think there's actually a chance the courts may go ahead and make it legs nationwide next year. Not a huge chance... but a chance that didn't even exist five years ago.

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    Re: Newt Gingrich says &quot;deal with reality&quot; accept gay marriage

    The comments by Newt are pretty good for both sides and in some ways he helps make this a much more important wedge issue. Wedge being the key word there, not important. It fits so well, in so many ways. Gays can say "see, even conservatives can see it" and this way all the conservatives who think gay marriage destroys the definition of marriage can all point to Newt's track record on it with his multiple affairs and cheating ways. The perfect hybrid would probably be Newt leaving Callista for some overtly retro gay man who carried his sexuality on his sleeve and in public, for both sides to be able to use as a political football. Kind of a southern version of Giuiliani, less the drag act and dressing in women's clothes hopefully as that would just be disgusting with Newt.

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      Re: Newt Gingrich says &quot;deal with reality&quot; accept gay marriage

      Originally posted by Chloe View Post
      The comments by Newt are pretty good for both sides and in some ways he helps make this a much more important wedge issue. Wedge being the key word there, not important. It fits so well, in so many ways. Gays can say "see, even conservatives can see it" and this way all the conservatives who think gay marriage destroys the definition of marriage can all point to Newt's track record on it with his multiple affairs and cheating ways. The perfect hybrid would probably be Newt leaving Callista for some overtly retro gay man who carried his sexuality on his sleeve and in public, for both sides to be able to use as a political football. Kind of a southern version of Giuiliani, less the drag act and dressing in women's clothes hopefully as that would just be disgusting with Newt.

      It will never be a winning wedge issue again. Not for the against side anyway. Those against continue to die every year. Those for continue to reach voting age every year. It may sound crass... but it's just reality. The elderly are the only age demographic where there is still a majority against. The younger you go, the larger the majority is for. Nothing is going to change that trend. It is an inevitability. The only question is when. My opinion is that it will be far sooner than many think.

      Newt may be a dog... but he's no idiot. He sees the writing on the wall. He's trying to get the rest of his party to see it before it costs them more elections.

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        Re: Newt Gingrich says &quot;deal with reality&quot; accept gay marriage

        I don't think he is an idiot either. He is smart enough to have found a group of individuals that he is going to use, and he will show how good he is at using them for political purposes. I don't think you sound crass at all, btw. I think i may do in my interpretation of this ; i think both sides have found homosexuals to be this pathetic group of helpless individuals (as they see it) who can be exploited on both sides and every person who can is going to try and use them as the pawn whilst the gays themselves get taken advantage of left right and center over it.

        I don't think it matters if it wins or loses as the wedge issue...its just there as the new boogeyman when other issues become too easy to brush off as not being important anymore. This is the new one for marriage and most on the right will prolong the fight out so they have a new "see, i told you so, look at what they did" enemy, and the left have their new victims to replace blacks / disabled people etc. (Though blacks and disabled people generally do tend to get annoyed by the comparison, lol).

        Newt is just being newt, and using people as always.

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          Re: Newt Gingrich says &quot;deal with reality&quot; accept gay marriage

          Maybe Newt just did the math. Obama got 77% of the LGBT vote. Had the LGBT vote gone anywhere close to 50/50... Romney wins. Just one more issue republicans were on the wrong side of.

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            Maybe. Newt would certainly need to count, given the amount of spouses he goes through and maybe he thought he'd combine the two and find his next spouse there? Btw how large is the LGBT? Obama would have had to lost about 60 to 70 electoral votes and 20 to 25% of the LGBT would have made that difference for him to lose the entire election?

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              Re: Newt Gingrich says &quot;deal with reality&quot; accept gay marriage

              Originally posted by Chloe View Post
              Maybe. Newt would certainly need to count, given the amount of spouses he goes through and maybe he thought he'd combine the two and find his next spouse there? Btw how large is the LGBT? Obama would have had to lost about 60 to 70 electoral votes and 20 to 25% of the LGBT would have made that difference for him to lose the entire election?

              Your right. I did word that wrong. I should have said Romney wins the popular vote... But since the only time the loser of the popular vote actually went on to win the election was Bush 2000... It's likely he does win the election as well. The LGBT vote was 5% or about six million. Margin of victory was under three million.

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                Re: Newt Gingrich says &amp;quot;deal with reality&amp;quot; accept gay marriage

                Originally posted by Unique POV View Post
                It will never be a winning wedge issue again. Not for the against side anyway. Those against continue to die every year. Those for continue to reach voting age every year. It may sound crass... but it's just reality. The elderly are the only age demographic where there is still a majority against. The younger you go, the larger the majority is for. Nothing is going to change that trend. It is an inevitability. The only question is when. My opinion is that it will be far sooner than many think.

                Newt may be a dog... but he's no idiot. He sees the writing on the wall. He's trying to get the rest of his party to see it before it costs them more elections.
                You realize that these things are an every-swinging pendulum, right? There have been plenty of times where homosexuality was not just accepted but even the soup du jour. Then it was not. The same will happen again.


                Originally posted by Unique POV View Post
                Maybe Newt just did the math. Obama got 77% of the LGBT vote. Had the LGBT vote gone anywhere close to 50/50... Romney wins. Just one more issue republicans were on the wrong side of.
                Being in the majority doesn't mean you're in the wrong. My question is, where did the other 23% go?

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                  Re: Newt Gingrich says &amp;quot;deal with reality&amp;quot; accept gay marriage

                  Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
                  You realize that these things are an every-swinging pendulum, right? There have been plenty of times where homosexuality was not just accepted but even the soup du jour. Then it was not. The same will happen again.




                  Being in the majority doesn't mean you're in the wrong. My question is, where did the other 23% go?
                  Really? When was this time in American history when homosexuality was popularly accepted? I thought I was pretty well versed on gay history in America... but if there's something I've overlooked, I'm eager to learn.

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                    Re: Newt Gingrich says &amp;quot;deal with reality&amp;quot; accept gay marriage

                    Originally posted by Unique POV View Post
                    Really? When was this time in American history when homosexuality was popularly accepted? I thought I was pretty well versed on gay history in America... but if there's something I've overlooked, I'm eager to learn.
                    I'm talking about the history of the world.

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                      Re: Newt Gingrich says &quot;deal with reality&quot; accept gay marriage

                      Originally posted by Unique POV View Post
                      It will never be a winning wedge issue again. Not for the against side anyway. Those against continue to die every year. Those for continue to reach voting age every year. It may sound crass... but it's just reality. The elderly are the only age demographic where there is still a majority against. The younger you go, the larger the majority is for. Nothing is going to change that trend. It is an inevitability. The only question is when. My opinion is that it will be far sooner than many think.

                      Newt may be a dog... but he's no idiot. He sees the writing on the wall. He's trying to get the rest of his party to see it before it costs them more elections.
                      Yes, "gay marriage" WILL be, IS a "reality."

                      In your mind, ... in the minds of many that forgot how to think.

                      "Marriage parity" ... fantasy, always will be. You can call a car a boat too ... that boat won't float Sam

                      EVER.

                      While we're examining the fantasy world you live in, I might also point out that this:

                      "Those against continue to die every year. Those for continue to reach voting age every year. It may sound crass... but it's just reality. The elderly are the only age demographic where there is still a majority against. The younger you go, the larger the majority is for. Nothing is going to change that trend. It is an inevitability. The only question is when. My opinion is that it will be far sooner than many think."

                      Is a far out fantasy, I'm not saying you shouldn't have it if it makes you happy, but it's a fantasy. The reality you speak of, is that the nature of something doesn't change by calling it something it's not. Don't let reality invade your fantasy because of me though

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                        Re: Newt Gingrich says &quot;deal with reality&quot; accept gay marriage

                        So riddle me this: If homosexuals are really interested in "marriage parity," why are they by and large NOT availing themselves of the "equal to marriage" domestic partnership laws in many states (like California)?

                        Seems to me their panties are in a twist (along with those anti-folks) over the use of the word "marriage."

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                          Re: Newt Gingrich says &amp;quot;deal with reality&amp;quot; accept gay marriage

                          Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
                          I'm talking about the history of the world.

                          When we have a thread about world history...be sure and bring that back up.

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                            Re: Newt Gingrich says &quot;deal with reality&quot; accept gay marriage

                            Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                            Yes, "gay marriage" WILL be, IS a "reality."

                            In your mind, ... in the minds of many that forgot how to think.

                            "Marriage parity" ... fantasy, always will be. You can call a car a boat too ... that boat won't float Sam

                            EVER.

                            While we're examining the fantasy world you live in, I might also point out that this:

                            "Those against continue to die every year. Those for continue to reach voting age every year. It may sound crass... but it's just reality. The elderly are the only age demographic where there is still a majority against. The younger you go, the larger the majority is for. Nothing is going to change that trend. It is an inevitability. The only question is when. My opinion is that it will be far sooner than many think."

                            Is a far out fantasy, I'm not saying you shouldn't have it if it makes you happy, but it's a fantasy. The reality you speak of, is that the nature of something doesn't change by calling it something it's not. Don't let reality invade your fantasy because of me though
                            You can call my marriage anything that makes you feel better. No law giving same sex relationships equal legal rights will ever change your right to believe exactly as you choose to.

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                              Re: Newt Gingrich says &quot;deal with reality&quot; accept gay marriage

                              Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                              So riddle me this: If homosexuals are really interested in "marriage parity," why are they by and large NOT availing themselves of the "equal to marriage" domestic partnership laws in many states (like California)?

                              Seems to me their panties are in a twist (along with those anti-folks) over the use of the word "marriage."
                              There is not one single civil partnership law that is equal to marriage. Marriage isn't even equal to marriage at this point thanks to DOMA. It's not about a word for most people. It really is about protecting the lives that people work hard to build for themselves.

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