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    Shorter Melissa Harris-Perry: All Your Kids Are Belong to Us | MRCTV

    Apparently this liberal does not think our kids are ours but belong to everyone as a whole. Most of us use mine, my and other possessives but not only is this liberal stating that they "belong" like property or slaves but they belong to everyone.

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    Re: Are your kids yours or the collective communities?

    Remember what our next President says: It takes a village.

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      Re: Are your kids yours or the collective communities?

      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
      Remember what our next President says: It takes a village.
      Funny counter point (heck it's Friday)
      Just because the liberals and progressives are incapable of taking responsibility for raising their children they take the position of it takes a village.

      Funny. I had no problem raising mine.
      Yet another deficiency of theirs?

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        Re: Are your kids yours or the collective communities?

        Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
        Funny counter point (heck it's Friday)
        Just because the liberals and progressives are incapable of taking responsibility for raising their children they take the position of it takes a village.

        Funny. I had no problem raising mine.
        Yet another deficiency of theirs?
        Here's a question for ya (everybody is welcome to play):

        Growing up, can you think of anyone (or anything) besides your parents that had a strong impact on shaping you into the (clearly awesome) person you are today?
        Last edited by AdamKadmon; 04-05-2013, 10:13 AM.

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          Re: Are your kids yours or the collective communities?

          Originally posted by AdamKadmon View Post
          Here's a question for ya (everybody is welcome to play):

          Growing up, can you think of anyone (or anything) besides your parents that had a strong impact on shaping you into the (clearly awesome) person you are today?
          DeMolay and Masonry have had the biggest impact on helping me to be a better person and believe in myself.

          DeMolay International | Home

          The Grand Lodge of Masons in Massachusetts

          both Organizations are built around the idea that as good as you are you can be better. One of the best things about DeMolay though was as a teenager during those times when there are cliques and such, it was supporting and comforting to know kids my own age who I could trust implicitly.

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            Re: Are your kids yours or the collective communities?

            Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
            DeMolay and Masonry have had the biggest impact on helping me to be a better person and believe in myself.

            DeMolay International | Home

            The Grand Lodge of Masons in Massachusetts

            both Organizations are built around the idea that as good as you are you can be better. One of the best things about DeMolay though was as a teenager during those times when there are cliques and such, it was supporting and comforting to know kids my own age who I could trust implicitly.
            Interesting. Thanks!

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              Re: Are your kids yours or the collective communities?

              Honestly, I agreed with every word she said.
              We have the spectacle of conservatives, unwilling to pay for the spending that has taken place during their lifetime, pretending to ease the burden on the kids, by cutting the programs that are for the kids, in order to sustain the spending that they themselves are unwilling to pay for, that they desire for their own needs.

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                Re: Are your kids yours or the collective communities?

                Originally posted by AdamKadmon View Post
                Here's a question for ya (everybody is welcome to play):

                Growing up, can you think of anyone (or anything) besides your parents that had a strong impact on shaping you into the (clearly awesome) person you are today?
                The Boy Scouts... the program and leaders taught me skills I still use... everyday.

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                  Re: Are your kids yours or the collective communities?

                  Originally posted by goober View Post
                  Honestly, I agreed with every word she said.
                  We have the spectacle of conservatives, unwilling to pay for the spending that has taken place during their lifetime, pretending to ease the burden on the kids, by cutting the programs that are for the kids, in order to sustain the spending that they themselves are unwilling to pay for, that they desire for their own needs.
                  I wouldn't have chosen the wording that she did. As a parent, I consider my children to be my children, not society's children. But I get her broader point: If children are the future — and we all seem to agree on that, at least — then we, as a society, have a vested interest in their well-being, education and success.

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                    Re: Are your kids yours or the collective communities?

                    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                    Remember what our next President says: It takes a village.
                    I and others of my generation who lived in the rural south were indeed raised in a way by those farm families that surrounded us. Our neighbors, and we knew everyone in our community, saw it as their duty to inform my parents of what we did when we were not under the watchful eyes of parents and grandparents. Therefore when I was up the road from our farm, in my dad's pickup, rolled backward and then used that to lay more rubber on the asphalt than it would from a dead stop, by the time I got home dad was there with is belt in hand to teach me NOT to do that again. Boy, I sure hated it at the time that my village was involved in raising me up. LOL.

                    Or, if I did something that was unacceptable and the village saw it, they may as well have been contributing in my own raising.

                    So when Hillary said it takes a village, she was simply voicing what many in my generation experienced. That someone would turn that into something bad really shows the bad side of ideological idiotcy.

                    The trouble today, even here where I live is that if the village reports bad behavior of someones kids, those parents get pissed off and are more than apt to tell the village to mind its own business. This was not always so, and the old ways raised better, more responsible children into adults.

                    If you think there is something wrong with the way I was raised and millions of others way back, go and get on some meds. Meds that make the brain work better.

                    My wife once called a student's mom and let her know that her dear little son was calling her a motherfucker in class. Know what this parent asked? "Well, you must have done something to my son to MAKE him call you a motherfucker. My wife finally retired earlier than she wanted to from teaching because of these sorts. It has become prolific, yet we wonder why many of our kids are not getting an education? LOL Sorry, irresponsible, self centered parents who many end up suffering when their little darlings grow up and end up in prison.

                    This sick form of individualism that is so embraced today is doing nothing but harm to this American society. It isn't individualism, it's EXCLUSION, camoflauged and corrupted as to be individualism.

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                      Re: Are your kids yours or the collective communities?

                      Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                      I and others of my generation who lived in the rural south were indeed raised in a way by those farm families that surrounded us. Our neighbors, and we knew everyone in our community, saw it as their duty to inform my parents of what we did when we were not under the watchful eyes of parents and grandparents. Therefore when I was up the road from our farm, in my dad's pickup, rolled backward and then used that to lay more rubber on the asphalt than it would from a dead stop, by the time I got home dad was there with is belt in hand to teach me NOT to do that again. Boy, I sure hated it at the time that my village was involved in raising me up. LOL.

                      Or, if I did something that was unacceptable and the village saw it, they may as well have been contributing in my own raising.

                      So when Hillary said it takes a village, she was simply voicing what many in my generation experienced. That someone would turn that into something bad really shows the bad side of ideological idiotcy.

                      The trouble today, even here where I live is that if the village reports bad behavior of someones kids, those parents get pissed off and are more than apt to tell the village to mind its own business. This was not always so, and the old ways raised better, more responsible children into adults.

                      If you think there is something wrong with the way I was raised and millions of others way back, go and get on some meds. Meds that make the brain work better.

                      My wife once called a student's mom and let her know that her dear little son was calling her a motherfucker in class. Know what this parent asked? "Well, you must have done something to my son to MAKE him call you a motherfucker. My wife finally retired earlier than she wanted to from teaching because of these sorts. It has become prolific, yet we wonder why many of our kids are not getting an education? LOL Sorry, irresponsible, self centered parents who many end up suffering when their little darlings grow up and end up in prison.

                      This sick form of individualism that is so embraced today is doing nothing but harm to this American society. It isn't individualism, it's EXCLUSION, camoflauged and corrupted as to be individualism.
                      I grew up middle class eastern Mass, and yes I still grew up a Conservative all my life even as a kid. I really don't think the woman in the video is thinking that it is my child but that it is everyone's child and as such everyone MUST equally pay for that child, from school, to healthcare to whatever the government forces us to pay taxes for. Next the college loan bubble will burst and more bailouts and then higher taxes for us to pay for little johnny from the ghetto to go to college because we are all such racists we let his family wallow in poverty.

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                        Re: Are your kids yours or the collective communities?

                        Once again, if you are looking to be outraged you can find it anywhere.

                        All I see here is a pretty simple statement that they "belong" to all of us in that they are our future and we all share a responsibility in providing good education. No big deal to me. I've never had kids, and I've been paying school taxes in Texas for over 30 years. It's an investment in our society's future, I don't know why anybody would reasonably argue otherwise.

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                          Re: Are your kids yours or the collective communities?

                          Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                          I grew up middle class eastern Mass, and yes I still grew up a Conservative all my life even as a kid. I really don't think the woman in the video is thinking that it is my child but that it is everyone's child and as such everyone MUST equally pay for that child, from school, to healthcare to whatever the government forces us to pay taxes for. Next the college loan bubble will burst and more bailouts and then higher taxes for us to pay for little johnny from the ghetto to go to college because we are all such racists we let his family wallow in poverty.
                          If that is what the village comment by Hillary meant, then I am not for that. I just didn't take it in that manner, and of course I could be wrong in my interpretation.

                          I don't want to be held accountable for the irresponsibility of others, which is why I would support workfare in place of welfare even if it cost us more as taxpayers. It would be our investment, us taxpayers, in much better future for the poor, with the goal being that only the crippled, old and crazy get a free ride due to their inability to work. I believe humans need to work at something in order to be complete, responsible human beings. These poor kids are not taught to work, but become conditioned to how their sorry ass parents leech off of those that are not "too good" to work.

                          I am of course in favor of loans for the poor if that will pull them up to become citizens who contribute rather than leech, by educating them. Looking today in my area, I see so many successful black folks that were literally helped out of generational poverty by being able to go to some higher education. I think that is good for society and good for my nation.

                          Of course the gov't has a major role to play in not allowing the health of this nation being sold out so that a few elites might acquire even greater wealth to hoard, by substituting the goal of providing an environment that offers various ladders up out of poverty by work, in favor of an environment that is only beneficial for maxing out elite profits. That is absolutely the environment we live in today, and the effects of that can hardly not be noticed if one really observes with some objectivity. This change has clearly happened, and it happened in my own lifetime. You can use all the exotic theoretical economic ideas you want in order to defend the America of today, but the proof is always in the pudding, in the results whether we will admit it or not. Few today admit it. And the MSM including FOX go out of their way to make sure no one else thinks about it either. But since all MSM today are propaganda arms of the two parties, who both are as guilty as the next, we needn't expect anything from them that actually addresses fundamental facts.

                          Everything is interdependent, from the ways of nature to the ways of how a nation runs its business. You cannot change something here and not expect it to effect numerous things elsewhere in society. And when it negatively affects other very important things, we are too apt to say there is no such thing as cause/effect relationships. That is why we are so sorely in need of intelligent men governing this nation, that recognize there decisions can literally destroy the very system and nation they rule.

                          If science operated as our gov't is acting, we would still be riding horses to work. At least science has a clue as to the great power of interrelationships and interdependence. Yet we substitute ideology for reason, and then fight over it like two bald men fighting over a comb.

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                            Re: Are your kids yours or the collective communities?

                            Originally posted by goober View Post
                            Honestly, I agreed with every word she said.
                            We have the spectacle of conservatives, unwilling to pay for the spending that has taken place during their lifetime, pretending to ease the burden on the kids, by cutting the programs that are for the kids, in order to sustain the spending that they themselves are unwilling to pay for, that they desire for their own needs.
                            What are you talking about? I don't claim responsibility for raising other peoples' kids. Why would I want to throw money at wasteful government agencies in the name of claiming responsibility for other peoples' kids? I planned my life and chose to have kids only when I knew I was able to support their needs. I don't see why other's can't do the same. I know accidents happen, but 50 million welfare recipients aren't using my tax dollars because of an accident in their lives. If they won't get a job to feed their kids and raise their kids to be responsible adults, that shouldn't be my problem. Welfare shouldn't be structured as an incentive to make babies to increase the free money. When did the "general welfare" become "individual welfare"?

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                              Re: Are your kids yours or the collective communities?

                              Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                              I grew up middle class eastern Mass, and yes I still grew up a Conservative all my life even as a kid. I really don't think the woman in the video is thinking that it is my child but that it is everyone's child and as such everyone MUST equally pay for that child, from school, to healthcare to whatever the government forces us to pay taxes for. Next the college loan bubble will burst and more bailouts and then higher taxes for us to pay for little johnny from the ghetto to go to college because we are all such racists we let his family wallow in poverty.
                              There's only so much we can glean from a 30-second spot. The only thing she actually talked about is "investing in public education."

                              Now, she may very well be interested in universal health care, but she didn't mention it.

                              She may be also interested in everybody paying equally, but she didn't mention that, either. (It's unlikely, though, since liberals tend to believe in progressive taxation.)

                              And your last sentence, in which you resent being called a racist, based on the things you imagine might happen, based on the things you imagine she is thinking, is... um... interesting.

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                              Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                              The Boy Scouts... the program and leaders taught me skills I still use... everyday.
                              Cool. Thanks.

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